poll Who's more of a legend: Taylor Swift or Beyoncé?

[Oxygen]

The answer is so clearly Beyonce, like  

[directionlockerlock]

18 hours ago, Devin said:

Attacking her skin quality due to age =/= attacking her skin color.  

Ur attacking her on grounds of her RACE. Let's stop pretending like if that sentence was reversed you wouldn't be up in arms in this exact same thread. That double standard? It's disgusting and I'm tired of seeing it's pervasiveness on nearly all social platforms, this vindictive mentality of "oh who cares if we're racist or prejudiced to white people they all deserve it for being white! **** all their feelings"

 

18 hours ago, Devin said:

Y’all want white ppl to be oppressed so bad but feel free to have ur moment. 

Callous comments like this are just so perplexing to me. Do you really want to end racial divisions or not? I doubt it's the latter because attacking people through this slipshod, revenge based "eye for an eye" philosophy is certainly not the way to go about it, and you are smart enough to know that. And perhaps this may not be you specifically, but people who try to defend this double standard at a more consequential scale really just wish they were the oppressors instead. Makes my skin crawl. 

Edited May 1, 2023 by directionlockerlock

[thetea]

On 4/30/2023 at 7:28 AM, Feanor said:

Taylor Swift, going by every objective metric. Especially globally.

 

how exactly? songwriting isn't the only measure of talent, which is what swifties constantly bring up

 

OT: Beyonce by far. Sales and such don't necessarily make you a legend. Being influential through your music, setting trends and changing the industry does. 

[Devin]

8 hours ago, directionlockerlock said:

Ur attacking her on grounds of her RACE. Let's stop pretending like if that sentence was reversed you wouldn't be up in arms in this exact same thread. That double standard? It's disgusting and I'm tired of seeing it's pervasiveness on nearly all social platforms, this vindictive mentality of "oh who cares if we're racist or prejudiced to white people they all deserve it for being white! **** all their feelings"

 

Callous comments like this are just so perplexing to me. Do you really want to end racial divisions or not? I doubt it's the latter because attacking people through this slipshod, revenge based "eye for an eye" philosophy is certainly not the way to go about it, and you are smart enough to know that. And perhaps this may not be you specifically, but people who try to defend this double standard at a more consequential scale really just wish they were the oppressors instead. Makes my skin crawl. 

You better stand up for white pride. 
 

Imagine telling someone Black who’s been on the receiving end of racism (on and off this site) how they should be more mindful/respectful to a community that’s consistently been hateful towards Blacks for years foh. 

 

Apply that soliloquy to ur own community.

[Theluckyone]

Taylor. 3 AOTYs and first artiste to have #1-#10 on the BB100 in a single week. Non stop success. 

[Disconnect]

Bey simplify because she's lasted longer. 

 

We'll see if in 10 more years Taylor is still scoring #1s and being successful. 

[latingrl2005]

Janet is a better dancer, Rihanna has better music, and Whitney had better vocals than Beyonce. She's the lite version of all 3. 

[Patient Zero]

At least Janet, Rihanna and Whitney are all legends.

 

Hilary Duff is the better dancer, Miley Cyrus has better music, and Dido has better vocals than Taylor. She's the lite version of all 3.

 

[Starshine]

23 minutes ago, latingrl2005 said:

Janet is a better dancer, Rihanna has better music, and Whitney had better vocals than Beyonce. She's the lite version of all 3. 

The way you have to bring up 3 completely different artists to show how multifaceted Beyoncé is. 

[A1SinceDay1]

Bey just has a grip on the GP the way very few artists ever do. 

 

 

She also has so many iconic moments and performances. Beychella/Homecoming alone is bigger than Taylor's entire performance career. 

[latingrl2005]

30 minutes ago, Starshine said:

The way you have to bring up 3 completely different artists to show how multifaceted Beyoncé is. 

It really shows her weakness. She doesn't excel at none.

[latingrl2005]

48 minutes ago, Patient Zero said:

At least Janet, Rihanna and Whitney are all legends.

 

Hilary Duff is the better dancer, Miley Cyrus has better music, and Dido has better vocals than Taylor. She's the lite version of all 3.

 

Than you should let the rest of the world know...since no one is interested in buying their music.

[Starshine]

Just now, latingrl2005 said:

It really shows her weakness. She doesn't excel at none.

Dancing: Janet > Beyonce > Rih > Whitney 

Vocal technique: Whitney = Beyonce > Rih > Janet 

• If we wanna talk about consistency, versatility, and longevity.. Bey clears.

Acclaim/awards: Beyonce > Whitney > Janet > Rihanna

 

Overall PERFORMER: Beyonce > Janet = Whitney > Rihanna

 

Taylor would be dead last for 3/4 of these.  

[suneclipse121]

20 minutes ago, latingrl2005 said:

It really shows her weakness. She doesn't excel at none.

All of the ones (except Rihanna) you listed only excel at one thing. Beyoncé excels at them all. That’s the difference and why she is where she is 

Rihanna excelling at anything is a reach however. Especially when Bey’s music is more acclaimed than the other.

Edited May 1, 2023 by suneclipse121

[krustysalt]

We will see the real winner in 2100 

[Havoc]

What exactly makes Taylor a bigger legend than Beyoncé?

 

Is she as acclaimed as a performer? Did she lead one of the biggest GG of all time? Are her vocals as influential? Are her albums as acclaimed? Does her music push boundaries and create meaningful conversations? Are her videos as iconic?  Does she have multiple catch phrases in grained in pop culture? Is her name as synonymous with excellence? 

 

Like someone said, MJ, and Madonna are known more for unique artistry rather their sales. Taylor's numbers are extradonary and  impressive  but there isn't much more of an argument for her being a legend other than her success. She's not a once-in-a-generation type of talent/star in the way that Beyoncé is.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Havoc

[Pepo]

1 hour ago, latingrl2005 said:

It really shows her weakness. She doesn't excel at none.

LOL are you dumb?

[Starshine]

I wouldn't trust whatever perception someone has on vocals especially when they stan Taylor. That is the last thing I want someone's opinion on, but it doesn't even matter because I'm going off on objective stats that are measured: supported range, agility, dynamics, musicianship, longevity.

 

Whitney clearly had the bigger vocal peak, power ballads that resonates more with the GP thus fitting that vocalist box because she does exactly that: sing in front of mic, has an unmatched tone, and is one of the greatest to ever do it. At the same time, she used to be criticized for making white people music that isn't "soulful" enough. She's what people think Adele does and has songs that moves people emotionally. Bey's brand identity and image doesn't reflect that of theirs as she's such a varied artist and also visually stimulating, provocative since day one.. however it doesn't diminish Bey's vocal technique just because she isn't niche to that specific skill. She didn't make a career out of singing power ballads and that kind of music literally was OUT by the 00s in the era of sex appeal and Britney wannabes. There has never been anyone as vocally consistent and masterful as Bey since Barbra Streisand on the technical level; precision in her lower to upper range that are connected/supported, and still preserved and aging like wine in her 40s while the others were cracked and dusted. She has 25 years of vocal receipts free to look up, also has branched way further throughout her discography, and I also wouldn't use the GP's opinion or their intelligence as a basis for anything especially when they think Adele/Xtina are outsinging Mariah at her peak and can't figure out which box to place Beyonce in... because there hasn't been anyone like her.  

 

Anyways, she's an impeccable vocalist.. while also having the extravaganza of Tina Turner, the elegance of Diana, and is one of the most fantastic dancers that is completely unique and iconic in her own style. She has the essence of those that came before her and has paid homage to them, but isn't truly a derivative. She also has one of the most acclaimed female discographies, a respectable visual catalog, and experimented visually/sonically others wouldn't dare to break out of their comfort zone just like Madonna. When she did rap, people were saying how she ate up her husband who's literally one of the all time greats. Renaissance already proved that she can do dance, out-acclaimed every other 2022 female album overall in a genre that was new to her. She's a mastermind in the studio and can curate a solid body of work, literally on an acclaim spree of studio albums, and she'll further prove her versatility with a country/rock record. 

 

There has never been anyone that ticks off all the boxes and EXCELS at them, it's literally why she is the standard, the "Beyonce" of whatever group, sport, team, etc.  Constantly being compared to MJ, Whitney, Rihanna, Tina, Janet, Madonna, even ******* Messi/Ronaldo ... is kinda telling-

Edited May 1, 2023 by Starshine

[Mystic Boy]

2 hours ago, latingrl2005 said:

It really shows her weakness. She doesn't excel at none.

[Shelter]

They are still going on about success.  you can tell some people only Stan success. They don't know anything else. 

[DiamondHoe]

what New York said that time in 2006 

[1989]

Taylor. 

[OrgVisual]

Beyonce duh. She's not only a musical legend but also a figure for black female power 

[VioletsandRoses]

On 4/30/2023 at 4:30 AM, Axelios said:

Taylor was a country artist when album sales were higher. She became bigger later when transitioning to pop but that was at the start of the streaming era.

She’s been doing good since her debut era. Which is 3 years after Beyoncé’s debut. 

On 4/30/2023 at 4:27 AM, Monster Queen said:

So you consider Bey was doing the r&b genre and completely ignore 5/12 of Taylor's albums are country albums? Smart I guess

Not to mention Taylor demolish Bey in the streaming era while most time of Bey's career was in the physical era, but again, the album sales are not the only thing Taylor is bigger than Bey, especially in Asia, so I wouldn't emphasize this

Beys singles also sold great in Asia, especially East Asia where most sales come from. Taylor is weak in South Korea while Beyoncé is top 3. Her singles up to self titled all sold huge. Even in Japan she sold a ton on ringtones before she became more r&b centric. 

[MotoPapi]

Beyoncé definitely. She appeals to a diverse fan base. Meanwhile, Taylor appeals mostly to one very specific group of people. So Beyoncé has had more impact.