news Russia and China join forces against ‘Evil’ US

[Peroxide]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

But that's the topic of the thread and the Chinese-Russian summit?

Bad faith defection.
 

Girl this simping for China is so strange. I get it - call out Western hypocrisy because America bad… I understand that. But China is a fascist, draconian ethnostate. China bad too… is that something you can acknowledge?

[ZIVERT]

Two ethno-nationalist authoritarian governments teaming up, never saw that one coming

[Communion]

18 minutes ago, Peroxide said:

Deflection

Sis, it's deflecting to engage with conversations about both the Chinese and American economies and somehow try to make it about your feelings about either of them. 

 

Again, you can post whatever you want. But you quoted *my* post about the relevant topic....wanting to talk about things that are off topic?  You're ironically showing the kind of American exceptionalism people do talk about by being genuinely shocked people can talk about China unbiasedly and without any reactionary tendency. 

 

It reminds me of Ilhan Omar talking about the way Americans couldn't say names like "Hezbollah" or "ISIS" without shaking in fear but not getting when asked if they felt the same way about the US military. 

 

To need me to comfort and cuddle your emotional feelings or moral stances you have on China is an odd request when discussing their economy has nothing to do with the country's morality. You can have those feelings but you come off as incoherently badgering to demand it take up all the air in a room where a different conversation is taking place. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Communion

[Peroxide]

11 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sis, it's deflecting to engage with conversations about both the Chinese and American economies and somehow try to make it about your feelings about either of them. 

 

Again, you can post whatever you want. But you quoted *my* post about the relevant topic....wanting to talk about things that are off topic?  You're ironically showing the kind of American exceptionalism people do talk about by being genuinely shocked people can talk about China unbiasedly and without any reactionary tendency. 

 

It reminds me of Ilhan Omar talking about the way Americans couldn't say names like "Hezbollah" or "ISIS" without shaking in fear but not getting when asked if they felt the same way about the US military. 

 

To need me to comfort and cuddle your emotional feelings or moral stances you have on China is an odd request when discussing their economy has nothing to do with the country's morality. You can have those feelings but you come off as incoherently badgering to demand it take up all the air in a room where a different conversation is taking place. 

… and we still didn’t get an answer

[Kiel D-01]

Disgusting as always. Can they rot in hell already.

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Peroxide said:

… and we still didn’t get an answer

Because what you're doing is the equivalent of conservatives accusing gay people of being pedophiles, someone correcting the record that the existance of such (pedophiles who happen to be gay) wouldn't be relevant to an actual discussion of gay rights, and the conservative then going "oh so you won't admit pedophilia is bad? Interesting".

 

- "America is trying to stifle the Chinese economy and there's no explanation for it besides America desiring total global domination."

You: "But China bad...right?"

- "That's not really my call to make nor relevant to whether the US is right to try and destabilize the Chinese economy"

You: "Ah...so you WANT China to be bad..."

 

[sxhunluv]

I can tell most of y'all never lived outside of the West (or even USA)... you'll come to appreciate how much greater the Western model is compared to the socialist model of China or Russia. 

[ZIVERT]

1 minute ago, sxhunluv said:

I can tell most of y'all never lived outside of the West (or even USA)... you'll come to appreciate how much greater the Western model is compared to the socialist model of China or Russia. 

"Russia has free healthcare!!!" Have y'all ever been inside a Russian hospital before  

[Bears01]

2 minutes ago, sxhunluv said:

I can tell most of y'all never lived outside of the West (or even USA)... you'll come to appreciate how much greater the Western model is compared to the socialist model of China or Russia. 

ATRL is full of terminally online people who think communism is the answer to our problems. Are you shocked? 

[wastedpotential]

Just now, ZIVERT said:

"Russia has free healthcare!!!" Have y'all ever been inside a Russian hospital before  

The ones the oligarchs can afford are pretty nice but therein lies the same issue 

 

Some people just don't ******* get it 

[AMIT]

4 hours ago, Horizon Flame said:

Yes, because communism has always treated minorities so wonderfully.  Enjoy your breadlines. 

Are you implying that this isn't also a thing on Capitalist countries? At least in Communist ones the people in line are waiting for their FREE BREAD. 

[AMIT]

3 hours ago, Black Jesus said:

Literally this. While the US is far from perfect, I would MUCH rather live in a world full of democracies over authoritarian leaders.

The US is not a democracy though.  y'all keep gobbling up that propaganda and forget to think for yourselves, I fear

[Communion]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

this is 100% factually incorrect

I would actually agree that it is perfectly reasonable to - if restricting conversations to right now - recognize the the unique depravity of Russia's awful actions in Ukraine at the moment via an active, border-invading war and emphasizing how unique such is, but comments like the below do make me uncomfortable:

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

 It is not a current policy goal of the United States to systematically imprison, sterilise, dehumanise, and execute every single member of an ethnic group

because it, for some reason, tries to downplay the reality that the US is still actively illegally occupying places like Syria. It veers into rhetoric that Russia's illegal invasion are bad because they're against "good people" yet the US' illegal invasions are okay because you've bought the narrative that they're "fighting terrorism".

 

Besides that, it's also a bit of a nonsensical point to reference Russia, in regards to the points raised against the US, given that Russia is (rightfully!) largely sanctioned by much of the world. Even the subject of the thread, China, has actively avoided wadding into the trenches of Russia's unlawful actions. 

 

The sanctions on Russia show that it IS possible for unilateral, global action against a superpower, which makes the inaction against the US at any point in the last 50 years indefensible. I also know that *you know* that comparisons to Russia are nonsensical and avoid the issue at hand, because you say this:

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

even if the US government DID want to redistribute economic power away from itself 

No one talked about the US "wanting to redistribute power away from itself". Did people ask Russia if it "wanted" to be sanctioned? Did it ask Russia to "redistribute power away from itself"? No, crimes demanded sanctions, even if those sanctions were to:

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

control over private businesses .... [or] .....destroy the global economy. 

So again - why is the US protected from being sanctioned by the rest of the world for atrocities at the level of what you acknowledge is sanction-worthy when done by Putin's brutal regime against Ukrainians?

 

Because the US is currently the #1 superpower in the world and its economic might - objectively - makes it impossible for it to be sanctioned.

 

So it reads as you acting in bad faith when acting confused why people are criticizing the US for trying to do whatever possible to keep its economic domination intact. Or to pivot to moral shortcomings of China to distract from the US only weakening China to protect its own capacity to commit atrocities.

 

If you don't recognize this, the natural conclusion is you don't recognize America's human rights violations.  It also gives me pause that you frame China as having a horrific human rights record, when multiple of these countries you listed:

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

non-genocidal Brazil, Indonesia, India, Japan, Mexico, Nigeria, German

-are currently involved in human rights violations. You're talking about the treatment of minorities but then positively referencing.. India? Modi's India? *looks around* Okay.

 

China becoming a global economic power wouldn't see it *replace* the US and become a new monopolizing force. It would *decentralize* the current global order and weaken the pull America singularly has over the entire world. Either you agree America should have free rein to dominate the world - even brutally with deaths higher than any other regime in recent memory - or that the world benefits from decentralized power.

 

You say the US must remain the most powerful nation in the world to keep countries like China and others in check.. but who's keeping the US in check?

Edited March 22, 2023 by Communion

[Communion]

30 minutes ago, sxhunluv said:

Western model [vs] socialist model

Ah, there it is! It's not actually about human rights. It is explicitly about ensuring the West remains the largest profiteer of the current neoliberal capitalist global economy. 

 

The irony being that Putin becoming Russia's most pro-capitalism, pro-brutality leader would literally not be possible without the US doing everything it could to destabilize and undermine Russian socialism. 

 

"Socialist models... of Russia" jnnkjjnj girl, read a book. 

[VilsonMuqa]

both of them are uglee. 

& for the gays in here siding with them - go try to live there as an open gay. 

u wont last for 24h & wont need the "free medicine" then

Edited March 22, 2023 by VilsonMuqa

[Mean Trees]

3 hours ago, Bears01 said:

@Communion will (as usual) deflect and bury his head in the sand, and will probably scream “WITCH HUNT” to these basic facts you so eloquently spilled we love White New Jersey men who Stan the CCP 

Yes, the Chinese Communist Party, famously dominated by white males  

[Bears01]

Just now, Mean Trees said:

Yes, the Chinese Communist Party, famously dominated by white males  

I was specifically talking about who communion is, a while male from New Jersey who Stan’s the CCP. Re read it sis 

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

I was specifically talking about who communion is, a while male from New Jersey who Stan’s the CCP. Re read it sis 

Not the empty identity politick of referencing someone as white from the "Morgan Wallen isn't racist just because he used the n-word. Trust me, I may be white, but I have SIX African American friends!" ****-poster.  Wait until you find out the race of most Chinese citizens who love their country.

 

"It's fine to be white and use racial slurs, but to be white and NOT want to invade non-white nations? Maybe the real racist is YOU!" fndjkbngfb???? 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Communion

[ClashAndBurn]

5 hours ago, Bears01 said:

We STAN Concentration camps and slavery and genocide in this sub some of y’all really need to do even the most bare minimum of research 

The US actively participates in all three of those to this day.

 

Obama started concentration camps at the border, which Trump continued and modified with his family separation policy that Biden is about to re-implement.

 

Prison labor is legalized slavery that is specifically made an exemption for in the 13th Amendment. Not to mention, our hand in creating the slave market in Libya thanks to Hillary Clinton’s intervention.

 

The US also actively funds and supports genocide in Yemen and Palestine.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, sxhunluv said:

I can tell most of y'all never lived outside of the West (or even USA)... you'll come to appreciate how much greater the Western model is compared to the socialist model of China or Russia. 

Socialist? Russia??????

 

It’s been three decades since they were ever anything resembling anything other than a crony capitalist society. They have oligarchs who control government and media just as we do here. Please read a history book that details global events beyond WWII and the Vietnam War.

[Mean Trees]

 

16 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

I was specifically talking about who communion is, a while male from New Jersey who Stan’s the CCP. Re read it sis 

What would be the issue if someone white was supportive of a vastly non-white institution though? 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Mean Trees

[sxhunluv]

24 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Socialist? Russia??????

 

It’s been three decades since they were ever anything resembling anything other than a crony capitalist society. They have oligarchs who control government and media just as we do here. Please read a history book that details global events beyond WWII and the Vietnam War.

Of course a white man from Georgia would know better about the world outside of America than a first gen immigrant from a third-world country. Thanks for the education luv 

 

OT: People are literally dying to be here and obtain that green card but Americans would rather complain about capitalism than acknowledge their privilege. Not surprising considering ATRL's main demographic. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by sxhunluv

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, sxhunluv said:

Of course a white man from Georgia would know better about the world outside of America than a first gen immigrant from a third-world country. Thanks for the education luv 

Clearly, since you literally claimed Russia was socialist when… again, it hasn’t been for more than thirty years.

 

Denigrating where a person is from and their ethnicity doesn’t make anyone more knowledgeable about the world when they’re spouting off nonsense arguments that are entirely disconnected from reality.  

[Communion]

46 minutes ago, sxhunluv said:

a first gen immigrant from a third-world country

 

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Not the empty identity politick

  Not this contradicting argument that diaspora are more reliable narrators of a country they no longer live in, despite those who migrate to America often being both more upper-middle class and right-wing than those who actually live in said nations of the Global South.

 

Because that's who you're actually demanding to speak over - not fellow Americans critical of the US whom you try to weaponize IDPOL against, but the actual people from the nation(s) you claim to be some authority on and whom you have privilege over. 

 

You can't point out that there's privilege in living within the imperial core but then try and distance yourself from said privilege you now experience and what privilege it most often required *one already have* to get here. Daughters and sons of diplomats and professors and lawyers and doctors don't represent the common man in any country in the world.

 

"Listen to voices outside of the West"

Average Chinese citizen: "No country's perfect, but China works for the Chinese. We hate nosy Americans."

"Okay but... can you *really* believe them???"

 

The irony of other (American!) users to claim China is both FILLED with ethnonationalists who only love their country because they hate other ethnicities but *also* EVERYONE hates it there and no positive testimonies are true. But if any positive one seems believable, it's only because all Han Chinese are ethnonationalists! Chinazis! 100% true! Do not believe ANYTHING positive! China BAD!!).

 

Something's not adding up! Hmm!

Edited March 23, 2023 by Communion

[Bears01]

51 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The US actively participates in all three of those to this day.

 

Obama started concentration camps at the border, which Trump continued and modified with his family separation policy that Biden is about to re-implement.

 

Prison labor is legalized slavery that is specifically made an exemption for in the 13th Amendment. Not to mention, our hand in creating the slave market in Libya thanks to Hillary Clinton’s intervention.

 

The US also actively funds and supports genocide in Yemen and Palestine.

 

That’s all fine and dandy to point those out, and I agree that the U.S. isn’t the shining beacon of excellence it pretends to be and thinks it is. 
 

But the point of my post was to point out how communion regularly ignores stuff like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide and this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

and this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Wenliang

 

Chinas atrocities and crimes against humanity deserve to be highlighted just as much as the U.S.A.’s does too