Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) Support for Israelis have collapsed since 2013 amongst both Dems and Independents. Pro-Israel, Net-Support- 2013 vs 2023: All Americans: 52 vs 23 (-29 Points) Registered Dems: 35 vs -11 (-46 Points) Independents: 52 vs 17 (-35 Points) Registered Republicans: 73 vs 67 (-7 Points) Millennials also become the first generation to be more sympathetic to Palestinians no matter political affiliation: Edited March 19, 2023 by Communion
Luckitty Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 western media has been lying to people for a long time, people can finally see the truth on social media now
Monday Night Messiah Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 Does it matter what Americans think when most of them don't really even know why there's conflict in the first place? Both sides hear some similarly ill-informed celebrity bait on social media for clout and base their opinions on that. Ask an average American on the street why they're pro-Israel or pro-Palestine and they wouldn't even be able to tell you why. They just know they should be a certain way about it.
Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Author Posted March 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, Monday Night Messiah said: Does it matter what Americans think\. Yes, America is the sole financier causing the conflict in the first place. Israel would be forced to stop its apartheid campaign if America revoked the Iron Dome and all of its defense funding. 30 minutes ago, Monday Night Messiah said: why they're pro-Israel or pro-Palestine and they wouldn't even be able to tell you why This is inaccurate. Most Pro-Palestinian people would cite being anti-apartheid and most Pro-Israel people openly cite that they think the existence of Israel will help bring about some end of days religious Christian prophecy.
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) Any little sympathy I had left vanished 10 days ago when a Palestinian crazy decided to shoot up people on Dizengoff Street while I was on my way there thankfully I decided to switch shirts last minute Edited March 19, 2023 by ProudLBS
Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Author Posted March 19, 2023 11 hours ago, ProudLBS said: Any little sympathy I had left vanished 10 days ago Not sure promoting race essentialism and ignoring the uneven disparity in Israeli vs Palestinian violence is the best strategy to continue doing when the results are clearly not working for pro-apartheid Israelis, t b h !
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Communion said: Not sure promoting race essentialism and ignoring the uneven disparity in Israeli vs Palestinian violence is the best strategy to continue doing when the results are clearly not working for pro-apartheid Israelis, t b h ! "let's shoot up civilians in Tel Aviv, that'll help our cause"
Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Author Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, ProudLBS said: "let's shoot up civilians in Tel Aviv, that'll help our cause" 15 minutes ago, Communion said: Not sure promoting race essentialism and ignoring the uneven disparity in Israeli vs Palestinian violence is the best strategy to continue doing when the results are clearly not working for pro-apartheid Israelis, t b h ! Really proving the point! You're on the wrong side of history and it's looking at you in the face!
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Communion said: Really proving the point! You're on the wrong side of history and it's looking at you in the face! Yet another day of miss Huawei excusing terrorism, nothing new. when you want to promote your cause, do you attack those most likely to agree with you out of the entire country? You think that's a great strategy? (that's a beach in central Tel Aviv) Edited March 19, 2023 by ProudLBS
Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Author Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ProudLBS said: those most likely to agree with you I'm not sure what's not clicking for you. You're a privileged European expat often vacationing in Israel who thinks it is meaningful to state you have no sympathies for Palestinians because you personally encountered a singular instance of violence, even when for every one (1) instance of violence committed by a Palestinian, we factually know that there are then ten (10) instances of Israeli violence against Palestinians, and that Israeli violence is both state-sponsored and far more powerful. That you don't care about this imbalance, and have no hesitations promoting race essentialism, is the exact thing that is causing more and more Americans - Israel's largest financial supporter - to view Israel as the instigator and not the victim in this situation - and your doubling-down shows a lack of self-awareness. You could easily blame the government and argue that the far-right forces that lead Israeli do not represent some theoretical median, and yet, you... don't. You don't do any distancing. You just go "as if I'll feel bad for those ANIMALS!". And then wonder why the Israeli government has fewer and fewer allies. Edited March 19, 2023 by Communion
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Communion said: when for every one (1) instance of violence committed by a Palestinian, we factually know that there are then ten (10) instances of Israeli violence Again, yet another day of miss Huawei excusing terrorism against civilians. I would like to know your thoughts on 9/11. 5 minutes ago, Communion said: You just go "as if I'll feel bad for those ANIMALS!". That's more representative of how you view certain people.
Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Author Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ProudLBS said: Again, yet another day of miss Huawei excusing terrorism against civilians. I would like to know your thoughts on 9/11. Comparing your apartheid state to 9/11 and thinking you've somehow made a slam dunk of a point, showing you don't realize how it is now universally understood that 3k dead Americans was *not* a justified basis to what would then lead to America causing the deaths of countless Afghans and, later on, over 1M Iraqis, on the 20th anniversary of the Iraq War is... some new level of unawareness. There's only one terroristic force at play here. The polling shows more and more people seeing who it is: Edited March 19, 2023 by Communion
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Communion said: a justified basis to what would then lead to America Spare me the ChatGPT'd essays. Is terrorism against civilians excusable? Yes or no? Edited March 19, 2023 by ProudLBS
Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Author Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ProudLBS said: Is terrorism against civilians excusable? Yes or no? What's not clicking? It's obviously not, which is why the terrorist state of Israel has fallen out of favor with many Americans. You can deflect or call Palestinians beats or whatever you want, but you knew this day would come. You're not winning. You're losing whatever battle you think you're on. Smears and slander no longer work. History is crafting itself and you're not going to be remembered positively when all is said and done. It genuinely feels like talking with a Rhodesian or Afrikaner refusing to acknowledge that the material aim of creating an ethno-state has NEGATIVE consequences. Edited March 19, 2023 by Communion
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Communion said: It's obviously not Glad to know you've changed your mind 8 minutes ago, Communion said: You're not winning. You're losing whatever battle you think you're on. Smears and slander no longer work. History is crafting itself and you're not going to be remembered positively when all is said and done. can I add that to my sig Edited March 19, 2023 by ProudLBS
Communion Posted March 19, 2023 Author Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ProudLBS said: Glad to know you've changed your mind All this anger and hatred in defense Ia country that won't exist in 30 or so years.. This is what your posts amount to. Edited March 19, 2023 by Communion
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Communion said: All this anger and hatred in defense Ia country that won't exist in 30 or so years.. nah, but it will become borderline unlivable
Luckitty Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 2 hours ago, ProudLBS said: Again, yet another day of miss Huawei excusing terrorism against civilians. I would like to know your thoughts on 9/11. That's more representative of how you view certain people. and this is not terrorism? mind you it was encouraged by the government, and not a single person was arrested.. the terrorist IDF were there and just watched & didn't intervene while terrorist settlers were burning a palestinian town if palestinians did this we know what would've happened
ProudLBS Posted March 19, 2023 Posted March 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, Luckitty said: and this is not terrorism? it is, obviously.
Harrier Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Communion said: All this anger and hatred in defense Ia country that won't exist in 30 or so years.. This is what your posts amount to. I'm interested to hear - you say you don't think Israel will exist in 30 years. What do you mean by this - that there will be instead be one country not called Israel/the dissolution of the Israeli state ? Or that the Jews will be ethnically cleansed and sent elsewhere? For the record I'm in support dissolution & agree with everything you've said in here so far. Just interested to hear where you think it's going to go. I'm not as optimistic as you and I fear that two states is what's going to happen.
ClashAndBurn Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Harrier said: I'm interested to hear - you say you don't think Israel will exist in 30 years. What do you mean by this - that there will be instead be one country not called Israel/the dissolution of the Israeli state ? Or that the Jews will be ethnically cleansed and sent elsewhere? For the record I'm in support dissolution & agree with everything you've said in here so far. Just interested to hear where you think it's going to go. I'm not as optimistic as you and I fear that two states is what's going to happen. Two states won't happen. If anything, the outcome will be one state, as Israel, with Palestinians being ethnically cleansed and dispersed from the area. No country will want to take them in as refugees either. Especially not Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, or Syria. So they'll effectively be homeless. "Democrats" having sympathy for Palestinians' plight is irrelevant. The bipartisan consensus in government is and always will be unconditional support for Israel and blank check after blank check for the Iron Dome. Even "progressives" in Congress are cowed into backing down on their support for Palestinian rights. Both Red States and Blue States are currently adopting anti-BDS laws as well as resolutions recognizing the IHRA definition of antisemitism in order to suppress any and all criticism of Israel.
Bang Up Posted March 20, 2023 Posted March 20, 2023 When the young people of today are in power, Israel will have to find a way to fund their own defense.
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