Beyoncé or Taylor Swift – Bigger after 17 years into their careers?

[*-ChriZ-*]

9 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Good for her, her catalog streams are still really low and didn't improve with her recent hits or Renaissance.

 

Even her sellout era (IASF) has very mediocre streams for a 2009 album with its sales.

How many acts who debuted in the 90s have her streams tho? Shakria I know of and who else? Trying to be all shady once again but not thinking things through

 

[Badgalbriel]

1 minute ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

How many acts who debuted in the 90s have her streams tho? Shakria I know of and who else? Trying to be all shady once again but not thinking things through

 

Beyoncé as a solo act debuted in 2003. Her solo career started only 3 years before Taylor's 

[Klein]

It's exhausting that these threads could lead to interesting discussions but no, y'all be exaggerating and ripping these women to shreds each time from each side. 

 

Imagine thinking the GP don't care about these women that have had a chokehold on music for YEARS. 

 

Having a big fanbase doesn't make Taylor's and BTS' success anything close to similar. Sure Taylor gets gigantic first weeks but her albums also have the best longevity out of ANY of her peers, and arguably any female artist EVER. This idea that Taylor has no impact is also so stupid when her ticket sales led to the investigation of Ticketmaster, she has a city literally changing its name in her honour, all the stuff she did with Spotify, Apple Music, the artists' payment at Republic, her power move with the re-recordings that have already inspired multiple artists and that will help future artists from suffering from the same problem...

 

And just because Beyoncé's daily streams could be better doesn't make her irrelevant either. I mean we are talking about the woman who is going to embark on the second biggest female tour of all time more than 2 decades into her career, who has been (and still is) a cultural behemoth since Self-Titled, and that is still racking up hit songs and albums.

 

These two women, along with Rihanna, are far and away the ones that influence the most new artists, with their songwriting, sound, live performances and imagery. 

 

Like stop the trolling for a second 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Klein

[bijonse]

11 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Not to the GP. Only to her dedicated fanbase. GP don't care about any of that. 

 

If Hive can spread this nonsense, so can swifties. As easy as that 

Nah

 

 

[Axelios]

5 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

How many acts who debuted in the 90s have her streams tho? Shakria I know of and who else? Trying to be all shady once again but not thinking things through

 

What matter are the albums' release dates not when she debuted. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Axelios

[*-ChriZ-*]

Just now, Badgalbriel said:

Beyoncé as a solo act debuted in 2003. Her solo career started only 3 years before Taylor's 

Again acting stupid for the sake of it . Yall are TIRING. Beyonce was NOT a newcomer in 2003, no matter how you want to spin it. Im a 90s boy who lived through the Spice Girls mania, the DC rise, the TLC dominance. When DC, at the peak of their career, disbanded and went on to go solo, trust and believe the world was WAITING for Bey to drop her solo. It was a huge event, not a "debut" by someone unknown.

[*-ChriZ-*]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

What matters is the albums release dates not when she debuted. 

Acting stupid once again. Nobody expects Madonna to do comparable streaming numbers to Taylor Swift in 2023 even tho Madonna is clearly and without a doubt the Queen of Pop. 

Just because Beyonce is STILL so successful 25+ years into her career and has managed to successfully live through the physical, digital and streaming era doesn't mean her old feats are bad. She's just a very rare case of a legend STILL being successful with her current music. That's why this site should truly start putting some respect on her name

 

[Axelios]

Just now, *-ChriZ-* said:

Acting stupid once again. Nobody expects Madonna to do comparable streaming numbers to Taylor Swift in 2023 even tho Madonna is clearly and without a doubt the Queen of Pop. 

The reason we don't expect that from Madonna is because her late 2000s and 2010s albums haven't been that successful. Beyonce 2010s are supposed to be huge so you would expect their dialy streams to be comparable to similarly succesful albums of the 2010s.

The reality is just that Beyonce albums don't have much longevity especially compared to someone like Taylor.

[WildHeart]

11 hours ago, bijonse said:

Nah

 

 

Nah 

 

Monthly Listeners

#3 Taylor Swift - 80,393,228

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#28 Beyonce - 52,923,542

#34 Katy Perry - 51,316,709

Edited March 11, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[*-ChriZ-*]

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

The reason we don't expect that from Madonna is because her late 2000s and 2010s albums haven't been that successful. Beyonce 2010s are supposed to be huge so you would expect their dialy streams to be comparable to similarly succesful albums of the 2010s.

The reality is just that Beyonce albums don't have much longevity especially compared to someone like Taylor.

Someone who releases new albums like she changes her underwear? True.

 

 

Bey is a different type of artist and at the end of the day we can go back and forth forever. Their touring shows real interest in the artist. Taylor is outperforming Bey in NA, no question, though Bey is bigger in Europe and LATAM. Oceania would probably be equal. Asia goes to Taylor tho Bey could definitely also fill out some stadiums there. Africa belongs to Bey. So yeah. There you go. 

 

[bijonse]

14 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Again acting stupid for the sake of it . Yall are TIRING. Beyonce was NOT a newcomer in 2003, no matter how you want to spin it. Im a 90s boy who lived through the Spice Girls mania, the DC rise, the TLC dominance. When DC, at the peak of their career, disbanded and went on to go solo, trust and believe the world was WAITING for Bey to drop her solo. It was a huge event, not a "debut" by someone unknown.

!!!! Like DC was huge and Beyoncé was the star of the group to pretend she debuted in 03 is to deny reality

[bijonse]

8 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Nah 

 

Months Listeners

#3 Taylor Swift - 80,393,228

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#28 Beyonce - 52,923,542

#34 Katy Perry - 51,316,709

Judging by things like the post I showed you I kinda think there might be some streaming farms afoot. Not to say it’s not impressive that she inspires that kind of dedication from people

 

[WildHeart]

15 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Their touring shows real interest in the artist.

And Taylor sold more tickets in the USA in a day than Beyonce did in 2 continents after a month. Shows the real interest indeed

 

11 minutes ago, bijonse said:

Judging by things like the post I showed you I kinda think there might be some streaming farms afoot. Not to say it’s not impressive that she inspires that kind of dedication from people

I don't know about "dedicated fans" but considering that Beyonce about to drop below Katy Perry at monthly listeners despite Cuff It being on TTH (mind you it is above Anti Hero too), she might need some decicated or undedicated listeners from... what was it... oh... General Public. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Scott Borchetta]

No one outside the Twitter bubble has cared about Beyonce since 2010 (when Gaga gifted her Telephone, her last global hit)

[bijonse]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

And Taylor sold more tickets in the USA in a day than Beyonce did in 2 continents after a month. Shows the real interest indeed

 

I don't know about "dedicated fans" but considering that Beyonce about to drop below Katy Perry at monthly listeners despite Cuff It being on TTH (mind you it is above Anti Hero too), she might need some decicated or undedicated listeners that is called... what was it... oh... General Public. 

The GP are not the ones pushing taylor to number one, please stop lying to yourself. The swifties mass buy and mass stream all the time, similar to BTS and other kpop act fanbases

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRWTqTGg/

 

[WildHeart]

1 minute ago, bijonse said:

The swifties mass buy and mass stream all the time, similar to BTS and other kpop act fanbases 

 

27 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Months Listeners

#3 Taylor Swift - 80,393,228

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#28 Beyonce - 52,923,542

#34 Katy Perry - 51,316,709

#64 BTS - 37,293,951

#242 Blackpink - 20,381,034

 

If you are still claiming things about bot listeners, i am sure we can make a fact check about it with the company that investigated TIDAL after questionable numbers of some artists (which didn't translate into Spotify streams somehow). I am sure they know a thing or two

[Axelios]

7 minutes ago, bijonse said:

The GP are not the ones pushing taylor to number one, please stop lying to yourself. The swifties mass buy and mass stream all the time, similar to BTS and other kpop act fanbases

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRWTqTGg/

 

Mass streams are filtered on Spotify, that's why there's a big difference between BTS filtered and unfiltered streams. That's not the case for Taylor.

[*-ChriZ-*]

10 minutes ago, Scott Borchetta said:

No one outside the Twitter bubble has cared about Beyonce since 2010 (when Gaga gifted her Telephone, her last global hit)

Imagine saying that after the pregnancy reveal with Love On Top that resulted in a Guinness World book entry, the release of ST that dominated Media and Set a new Standard for Album rollouts, Lemonade era with controversies everywhere... I mean just say ur a hater and be done with it

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2023 by *-ChriZ-*

[Scott Borchetta]

4 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Imagine saying that after the pregnancy reveal with Love On Top that resulted in a Guinness World book entry, the release of ST that dominated Media and Set a new Standard for Album rollouts, Lemonade era with controversies everywhere... I mean just say ur a hater and be done with it

 

 

 

None of that made noise irl, imagine thinking Lemonade was relevant when Gaga has whole songs outstreaming that entire album 

[The Music Industry]

1 hour ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

I never said these people werent streaming her at all. However her streams are highly inflated by them so saying "shes the biggest whatever" for "the GP" is just a bit uneducated imho

 

...but those groups ARE part of the GP. What's not clicking? Beside she smashes with other demographics, so the entire premise of your argument makes no sense at all. Taylor is by far the most listened western artist in Asia. Is it because of white teenagers and soccer moms as well? 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Yall purposefully act obtuse and its exhausting. BTS broke streaming records and I still argue the "GP" never cared for them. Taylor, similarly, fits that box.

Except no. BTS tanks in unique listeners and only broke a record about first-day streams. They don't have particularly good streaming longevity outside of Asia (where they are actually know by a huge portion of the GP, mind you). Meanwhile Taylor broke several record in terms of unique listeners and clearly has better streaming longevity than any artist on Earth. You can DOUBLE the unique listeners of BTS and it still don't come close to matching Taylor's. But go off with more inaccurate comparisons!

 

Edited March 10, 2023 by The Music Industry

[The Music Industry]

1 hour ago, Axelios said:

Good for her, her catalog streams are still really low and didn't improve with her recent hits or Renaissance.

 

Even her sellout era (IASF) has very mediocre streams for a 2009 album with its sales.

Lover (2019) is already outstreaming Renaissance? Chile

 

[Monster Queen]

I have to say some hives really need to touch some grass and stop living in the bubble generated by your own delusion. In the real world Taylor has everything and has been bigger than Beyonce since like 2012. She is like 10x bigger than Beyonce in Asia which has 1/3 population of the world, can you guys just face the truth? At least stop battling with Swifties for those streaming stuffs, I literally feel embarrassed for you 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Monster Queen

[Intuition]

1 hour ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Imagine saying that after the pregnancy reveal with Love On Top that resulted in a Guinness World book entry, the release of ST that dominated Media and Set a new Standard for Album rollouts, Lemonade era with controversies everywhere... I mean just say ur a hater and be done with it

 

 

 

So, basically she's just gassed up by the media. Yes, we already knew that.

There was no "controversy" over Lemonade.

It was basically just Fox News who gets mad at literally everything but the rest of the media and Stan twitter vigorously defended her

[*-ChriZ-*]

5 minutes ago, Intuition said:

So, basically she's just gassed up by the media. Yes, we already knew that.

There was no "controversy" over Lemonade.

It was basically just Fox News who gets mad at literally everything but the rest of the media and Stan twitter vigorously defended her

Can yall stop revising history for once and downplay Bey all the time?

The search for "Becky with the good hair" was everywhere, Formation at the SB resulted in Middle America entirely hating on her, boycotting her, and dismissing her to the point of the police threating to not guarentee her physical safely at her shows.

Worry about ur fav being a non-exciting, safe musician who doesnt take risks and if she does, makes sure to play the victim first (shes amazing at that!).

Nothing memorable about a Taylor era, so of course u dont know what it means if ur fav creates moments that spark debate and opinion.

Edited March 10, 2023 by *-ChriZ-*

[SeeingStars1515]

I dont think we need to compare them lol Theyre both huge in their spaces (Bey as a performer/music legend);(Swift as a commercial artist, touring force who is gaining artist credit as her career ages.)

Both can be celebrated