Beyoncé or Taylor Swift – Bigger after 17 years into their careers?

[BILLIONAIRE✘BOY]

Beyonce doesn't really have a chance against Taylor. People who look like Taylor will more than likely always have the upper hand in foreign countries because in those areas of the world black people aren't being respected as equals so... yeah. I don't think Taylor will ever have to worry about systematic oppression holding her music back.

Edited March 10, 2023 by BILLIONAIRE✘BOY

[Erreur2 La Nature]

Where I live Beyoncé is famous and has had a few hits so her by default 

[Jjang]

41 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

her being the biggest female artist in LATAM

 

[*-ChriZ-*]

7 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Garth Brooks sold more than Prince, Bowie, Bob Marley, Guns N Roses, Stevie Wonder, Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Iron Maiden, Janet Jackson, Black Sabbath, John Lennon etc etc etc 

 

Does he feel bigger than them to you?

 

True, Taylor Swift, the Garth Brooks of Pop. That feels like a suitable description

 

[WildHeart]

50 minutes ago, Rihannito said:

What does explain Bey being the biggest female artist in Africa, isn’t that a continent as well? Or it only applies to Asia?

 

Her being big out of white audiences explain that. Just like same thing explains Taylor's success in Asia and LATAM which was my point

 

45 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Garth Brooks sold more than Prince, Bowie, Bob Marley, Guns N Roses, Stevie Wonder, Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Iron Maiden, Janet Jackson, Black Sabbath, John Lennon etc etc etc 

 

Does he feel bigger than them to you?

 

Most of them doesn’t feel big to me because they were not big in where i live. Thankfully i know enough to not call them irrelevant just because they don't feel big to me. 

 

46 minutes ago, bijonse said:

The LIE about LATAM too

 

 

39 minutes ago, Jjang said:

 

Most streamed female artist last week on Spotify LATAM 

 

Brazil 

#21 Taylor

#60 Ariana 

#76 Lana

#91 Beyonce

#92 Miley 

 

Mexico 

#6 Shakira

#33 Taylor

#51 Ariana

#64 Miley

 

Argentina 

#9 Shakira

#29 Taylor

#47 Rosalia

#53 Miley

 

Chile 

#7 Shakira

#44 Taylor

#55 Dua 

#57 Rosalia

 

Beyonce is #91 in Brazil and N/A in other countries 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[Enrique523]

Taylor Swift obviously. But Beyonce's longevity is still nothing to be ashamed of, she's built an impressive legacy for herself.

[*-ChriZ-*]

3 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Her being big out of white audiences explain that. Just like same thing explains Taylor's success in Asia and LATAM which was my point

 

Most of them doesn’t feel big to me because they were not big in where i live. Thankfully i know enough to not call them irrelevant just because they don't feel big to me. 

 

 

Most streamed female artist last week on Spotify LATAM 

 

Brazil 

#21 Taylor

#60 Ariana 

#76 Lana

#91 Beyonce

#92 Miley 

 

Mexico 

#6 Shakira

#33 Taylor

#51 Ariana

#64 Miley

 

Argentina 

#9 Shakira

#29 Taylor

#47 Rosalia

#53 Miley

 

Chile 

#7 Shakira

#44 Taylor

#55 Dua 

#57 Rosalia

 

Beyonce is #91 in Brazil and N/A in other countries 

Last week. I-

 

[WildHeart]

33 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Last week. I-

 

Which fits with the topic of the conversation that was about their current success too. 

 

Did POC people suddenly start to support Taylor as of last week? 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[bijonse]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Her being big out of white audiences explain that. Just like same thing explains Taylor's success in Asia and LATAM which was my point

 

Most of them doesn’t feel big to me because they were not big in where i live. Thankfully i know enough to not call them irrelevant just because they don't feel big to me. 

 

 

Most streamed female artist last week on Spotify LATAM 

 

Brazil 

#21 Taylor

#60 Ariana 

#76 Lana

 

Mexico 

#6 Shakira

#33 Taylor

#51 Ariana

#64 Miley

 

Argentina 

#9 Shakira

#29 Taylor

#47 Rosalia

#53 Miley

 

Chile 

#7 Shakira

#44 Taylor

#55 Dua 

#57 Rosalia

 

Beyonce is #91 in Brazil and N/A in other countries 

I Was referring to her being beneath Shakira and Karol G in stats in those countries, you lied about her bigger than Latin artists in Latin countries. Anyways beyoncé has multiple diamond albums in Beyzil she’s good there, wasn’t there a news report about some swifties streaming farm in Brazil a few months ago anyways? 
 

[bijonse]

43 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

True, Taylor Swift, the Garth Brooks of Pop. That feels like a suitable description

 

N It’s kind of true. Her chokehold on middle america is insane much like artists like him

 

[Axelios]

Taylor Swift is bigger in Oceania, North America, UK, East and South Asia, the Middle East and North Africa. The rest is arguable.

[*-ChriZ-*]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

Taylor Swift is bigger in Oceania, North America, UK, East and South Asia, the Middle East and North Africa. The rest is arguable.

What are these lies?

 

6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Which fits with the topic of the conversation that was about their current success too. 

 

Did POC people suddenly start to support Taylor last week? 

The topic of the thread is that we are supposed to compare Taylor 17 years in with Bey 17 years and Bey was significantly bigger in LATAM than Taylor is now. Taylor is just now starting to catch up

 

[WildHeart]

4 minutes ago, bijonse said:

wasn’t there a news report about some swifties streaming farm in Brazil a few months ago anyways? 

Spotify Charts doesn't count more than 20 streams per account so Taylor stomps on other female artists like Beyonce with or without them 

 

3 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Taylor Swift is bigger in Oceania, North America, UK, East and South Asia, the Middle East and North Africa. The rest is arguable.

No wonder Hive is SCRAMBLING to paint Taylor as some type of local act like Garth Brooks

[*-ChriZ-*]

 

 

And this is without DC and without Rennie factored in. Did Taylor catch up already? 

 

[WildHeart]

1 minute ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

What are these lies?

 

The topic of the thread is that we are supposed to compare Taylor 17 years in with Bey 17 years and Bey was significantly bigger in LATAM than Taylor is now. Taylor is just now starting to catch up

 

 

12 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

...the GP? Hence why it's smashing and getting huge daily streams. Which is literally my point? 

 

12 hours ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

GP = white teenagers and soccer moms in Taylors case. Truly the Pink of her gen

So you were lying? POC people who are not white teenagers and soccer moms stream her daily as well? 

[*-ChriZ-*]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

 

 

So you were lying? POC people who are not white teenagers and soccer moms stream her daily as well? 

I never said these people werent streaming her at all. However her streams are highly inflated by them so saying "shes the biggest whatever" for "the GP" is just a bit uneducated imho

 

[bijonse]

1 minute ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Spotify Charts doesn't count more than 20 streams per account so Taylor stomps on other female artists like Beyonce with or without them 

 

No wonder Hive is SCRAMBLING to paint Taylor as some type of local act like Garth Brooks

Idk if Garth brooks is local but most people outside his fanbase don’t give a **** about him. It’s similar to taylor in THAT way, youre kinda misunderstanding what everyone is saying here. As for spotify, everyone knows the lengths she and her fanbase will go to to secure that #1, even if it’s meaningless

 

[Axelios]

9 minutes ago, bijonse said:

Idk if Garth brooks is local but most people outside his fanbase don’t give a **** about him. It’s similar to taylor in THAT way, youre kinda misunderstanding what everyone is saying here. As for spotify, everyone knows the lengths she and her fanbase will go to to secure that #1, even if it’s meaningless

 

It's really weird how Taylor success is always downplayed. I could easily claim that noone cares about Bey music aside from her fanbase since IASF and that can easily be backed by how frontloaded her albums have been since 4 compared to Taylor's.

1989 is clearly bigger and more remembered than any Beyonce album globally.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Axelios

[on the line]

7 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

I never said these people werent streaming her at all. However her streams are highly inflated by them so saying "shes the biggest whatever" for "the GP" is just a bit uneducated imho

 

highly inflated? white people's streams don't matter?! people are uneducated because they listen to a white artist?

 

the race baiting here is out of control.

 

 

[WildHeart]

12 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

 

 

And this is without DC and without Rennie factored in. Did Taylor catch up already? 

 

Album sales in Oceania :

Taylor - 2.410M

Beyonce - 1.140M

 

Streaming units in Oceania (doesn't need explanation but) 

Spotify Last week :

 

Australia

#1 Taylor

#31 Beyonce 

 

New Zealand 

#2 Taylor

#24 Beyonce

 

There is no such thing as combined certifications and Australia certifications are not automatically updated either. Beyonce is the one playing catch up 

 

10 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

I never said these people werent streaming her at all. However her streams are highly inflated by them 

Looking at their positions in white majority and POC majority countries, this applies to Beyonce as much if not more i am afraid. 

 

10 minutes ago, bijonse said:

Idk if Garth brooks is local but most people outside his fanbase don’t give a **** about him. It’s similar to taylor in THAT way, youre kinda misunderstanding what everyone is saying here. As for spotify, everyone knows the lengths she and her fanbase will go to to secure that #1, even if it’s meaningless

If people don't care about Taylor, the artist almost 5% of the US population tried to buy tickets to and broke Ticketmaster... i can guarantee you not a single soul outside of Beyonce's fanbase cares about her either 

Edited March 10, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[*-ChriZ-*]

6 minutes ago, on the line said:

highly inflated? white people's streams don't matter?! people are uneducated because they listen to a white artist?

 

the race baiting here is out of control.

 

 

Yall purposefully act obtuse and its exhausting. BTS broke streaming records and I still argue the "GP" never cared for them. Taylor, similarly, fits that box. She has a very dedicated following (good for her), but I just don't agree with the overgeneralization of "the GP" knowing her output. 

[bijonse]

Just now, Axelios said:

It's really weird how Taylor success is always downplayed. I could easily claim that noone cares about Bey music aside from her fanbase since IASF and that can easily be backed by how frontloaded her albums have been since 4 compared to Taylor's.

1989 is clearly bigger and more rembered than any Beyonce album globally.

And you’d be lying. She just got two hit songs this past year

 

5 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

If people don't care about Taylor, the artist almost 5% of the US population tried to buy tickets to and broke Ticketmaster... i can guarantee you not a single soul outside of Beyonce's fanbase cares about her either 

Nah, Beyoncé is a lot more famous and influential than Taylor. Beyoncé has impressive sales chart stats ticket sales awards and such but the kind of influence relevance and stardom she has goes beyond it. Taylor’s is kind of only when people who care about music charts talk about who’s #1 in stats for ___ and ___. Not denying her that!

[bijonse]

7 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Yall purposefully act obtuse and its exhausting. BTS broke streaming records and I still argue the "GP" never cared for them. Taylor, similarly, fits that box. She has a very dedicated following (good for her), but I just don't agree with the overgeneralization of "the GP" knowing her output. 

Like, it’s well known her fans and she herself will do anything for that #1 spot on whatever chart or metric there is. And she has a LOT of dedicated fans, she does a lot of fanservice stuff and markets herself as relatable to them so I understand why. The average person out there just cares about Beyoncé more, that’s all

[WildHeart]

2 minutes ago, bijonse said:

Nah, Beyoncé is a lot more famous and influential than Taylor. Beyoncé has impressive sales chart stats ticket sales awards and such but the kind of influence relevance and stardom she has goes beyond it. Taylor’s is kind of only when people who care about music charts talk about who’s #1 in stats for ___ and ___. Not denying her that

Not to the GP. Only to her dedicated fanbase. GP don't care about any of that. 

 

If Hive can spread this nonsense, so can swifties. As easy as that 

[Axelios]

Just now, bijonse said:

And you’d be lying. She just got two hit songs this past year

 

Good for her, her catalog streams are still really low and didn't improve with her recent hits or Renaissance.

 

Even her sellout era (IASF) has very mediocre streams for a 2009 album with its sales.