Rep2000 Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, SmittenCake said: I support funding Ukraine and supporting Ukraine in every possible way...but why would he visit now? especially with everything going on in Ohio? is this why the media keeps talking about all these UFOs? to distract the masses from Ohio? Angelina Jolie visited Ukraine right in the beginning of the war so I'm not so moved or think Biden deserves any sort of applause for visiting Ukraine now. He's really upsetting those that voted him into office with these antics and when Conservatives say he hates America, it kinda LOOKS like that since he's doing nothing for the important, small people who voted for him. Beefing up the police budget and becoming more harsh on immigrants. Not a good look. hope Ukraine prevails. But America can do so much more to support everyone. Ohio's governor has blocked any attempts from Biden and the federal goverment to give aid to the people. He decides to try to sweep this disaster under the rug, considering it was caused as the result of mass deregulation. Just like another Ohio manufacturer plant just exploded yesterday. Edited February 21, 2023 by Rep2000
TasteOfYourLips Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Intuition said: Does he not realize Ukraine is not part of America? It shouldn't be our business and he should be aiming towards peace. You meant giving Ukraine to Russia? Do you know how WWII started? OP: Biden is also visiting Poland, I am grateful for the support and all but he is paralysing Warsaw way more than last year. He needs to chill, Poles don't have an access to guns and we are a country of retired people. Retired grandmas aren't that dangerous to block half of our capital Edited February 21, 2023 by TasteOfYourLips
Rep2000 Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Who has been in charge for two years? Because YOU sound ridiculous making excuses for an anti-labor, Union-busting president that has sided with corporations his entire political career and has yet to even acknowledge the disaster his policies have led to. These same people conveniently left the fact out that Trump rolled back Obama’s railroad safety regulations on electronic braking systems. And these same people also left out that the Ohio governor told Biden they didn't want or need help. He reached out to FEMA, but refuses to declare state of emergency so Biden can't step in.
ClashAndBurn Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Rep2000 said: These same people conveniently left the fact out that Trump rolled back Obama’s railroad safety regulations on electronic braking systems. And these same people also left out that the Ohio governor told Biden they didn't want or need help. He reached out to FEMA, but refuses to declare state of emergency so Biden can't step in. There’s always an excuse for the Bidenists
Rep2000 Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: There’s always an excuse for the Bidenists Guess this Biden visit must really piss off the tankies
byzantium Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Why are so many talkies Russia apologists. Talk about showing your true colors.
Chemist Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 He was there for 1/2 hour and came back the same day to America. The Ohio comments are pure whataboutism. He can tackle BOTH issues
Communion Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rep2000 said: Guess this Biden visit must really piss off the tankies Are you, GhostBox, rp35354 or whatever the same user? It reads like such, down to not even knowing what the etymology of "tankie" is or what the word even means. People upset over a toxic chemical spill being ignored are.. tankies? What? A "tankie" has been a reactionary, snarl term to accuse someone of being an authoritarian leftist willing to utilize militarism for state goals (its mistaken assumption that all leftists view authoritarianism as inherently bad and thus can be shamed by such). That you deploy it to mean "anyone to the left of Joe Biden" is.... political illiteracy. I don't know why non-Americans defending Biden act shocked that Americans prioritize Biden's domestic policy failures and don't view foreign policy as a trade-off, ie: "well.. I wanted clean water, but at least he's doing something somewhere!". These things are not equal. 10 foreign aid packages will never equal 1 good domestic policy because they hold inherently different values (the former largely ranked as not important by most Americans). European neoliberals reliant on America's adventurism and defense budget should probably be invested in pushing Dems to the left for their own electability because, unfortunately, at the end of the day no one goes into the voting booth thinking about what we spend abroad. You can't be both "no, you have to vote, my country needs your people's tax dollars" AND "well Biden is perfect how he is and doesn't have to be progressive". US citizens don't owe it to any other country to prevent Trump from retaking office if Biden fails domestically. Maybe the poor calculus of Biden not caring about rural Americans being poisoned by billion-dollar corporations will be more clear to Europeans when having to deal with how Trump will handle Europe's ongoing battles with Russia once re-elected. Edited February 21, 2023 by Communion
GreatestLoveofAll Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/20/2023 at 11:31 AM, Dephira said: What exactly is he supposed to do in Ohio? Put on a hazmat suit and start cleaning up chemicals? ??? hate when people act like politicians especially the president on their own can just do things. even if you dont support the guy, he isnt Superman.
ClashAndBurn Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 9 hours ago, Chemist said: He was there for 1/2 hour and came back the same day to America. The Ohio comments are pure whataboutism. He can tackle BOTH issues He literally hasn’t. He’s shown not just the past three weeks but the entire past year that the only issue he cares about is Ukraine and that Americans at home can get absolutely ******.
ZIVERT Posted February 21, 2023 Author Posted February 21, 2023 The based tankies repeating far right twitter talking points in here
ClashAndBurn Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 47 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: The based tankies repeating far right twitter talking points in here Yes, yes, we all know you don't care about the American taxpayers who are bankrolling your country's very existence while their lungs are being burnt to a crisp by Biden's domestic failure. Move along
Communion Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: The based tankies repeating far right twitter talking points in here Could have had Bernie Sanders 2020 but now you'll get Trump 2016, 2024, 2028, 2032, etc. Edited February 22, 2023 by Communion
Mr. Mendes Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) On 2/20/2023 at 8:54 AM, SmittenCake said: I support funding Ukraine and supporting Ukraine in every possible way...but why would he visit now? especially with everything going on in Ohio? is this why the media keeps talking about all these UFOs? to distract the masses from Ohio? There really is no net good that can come from him visiting Ohio than maybe a morale booster but that isn't going to do anything for the situation itself. That town is already overrun with agencies that are scoping out the scale of everything and while nobody has died because of this, their lives have been completely upended. The President of the United States going there is only going to bring with it more chaos that those people truly don't need. He can't personally do anything for them, he can only assist them via legislation. Visiting isn't going to create that legislation. I don't know that visiting will even really help them morally. That town is a deep red voting territory and as such I don't know that they would really want him there in the first place, especially after he broke the rail strike that contributed to this. His visit to the Ukraine however does have very immediate effects and implications. His presence there sends a loud and clear message to Putin right on his front door step and it also allows other NATO nations to be comfortable openly supporting the Ukrainians. Displaying a united front so openly lets Russia know that this isn't a game and that it's being taken seriously. Biden's trip to Ukraine is just as much about geopolitics as it is about support. While I can understand why people may want him in Ohio, him making an appearance there is really not going to do anything of value and it's best he let the people that can immediately provide relief be there uninhibited while he instead tries to help via legislation. I think he should be doing more for Ohio. Much much much more and I'm very disappointed that he isn't. But a visit there is not what he needs to be doing. It'd be a waste of time. Edited February 22, 2023 by Mr. Mendes
A.R.L Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 I hope that the ukrainians will find peace as soon as possible, but I feel that biden is making things worse.
ontherocks Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, A.R.L said: I hope that the ukrainians will find peace as soon as possible, but I feel that biden is making things worse. Because Putin should get Ukraine? Got ya
GhostBox Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, ontherocks said: Because Putin should get Ukraine? Got ya Right 😂 like as soon as the US (Biden) would pull back support Ukraine is gone to the Russians.
ontherocks Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Right 😂 like as soon as the US (Biden) would pull back support Ukraine is gone to the Russians. I find it hilarious that the resident ultra lefties on here are constantly going after Biden, but they they also show consistency by mentioning Ukraine randomly if at all, as if it doesn't or shouldn't exist. What they try to cover up is that they want Putin to win, so that Biden and the other NATO countries look like losers. Their hatred goes that deep. Not for one second they show empathy for Ukranians and they try to treat this as something that is not a problem of the US, but newsflash: it bloody is. Once Putin gets what he wants in Ukraine, he won't stop there. But maybe a world ruled by Russia is a world they wanna live in, who knows? Edited February 23, 2023 by ontherocks
A.R.L Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, ontherocks said: Because Putin should get Ukraine? Got ya This not what I said , you know america would help ukraine with or without biden. idk i think like there is something provocative in him that makes this war more personal with Biden himself than the entire Western countries / NATO. Edited February 23, 2023 by A.R.L
ontherocks Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, A.R.L said: This not what I said , you know america would help ukraine with or without biden. idk i think like there is something provocative in him that makes this war more personal with Biden himself than the entire Western countries / NATO. This is not true. Western Europe had a pretty soft way of dealing with Russia which made Russia laugh so hard, y'all can't Imagine. The invasion was planned many years ago in advance, probably 15 years. At that point Biden was a non factor internationally. What most of you don't want to understand is that Russia won't stop until defeated and they most certainly won't stop in Ukraine. Just go on Twitter and see what gets discussed in russian politics shows and their narrative. With the invasion of Ukraine, Russia has started its war against western society and values. Hell, they even mentioned the super evil LGBT lobby Edited February 23, 2023 by ontherocks
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