Mr. Stratus Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Two artists accused of pandering solely to GP vs. making a base back in the day Both debuted around the same time, and rode hard on the itunes era with radio smashes Their music lent itself to streaming when Spotify became the thing, and they both fought over YT supremacy in 2014/15 Both so much in common, yet one made it past 2017 with their first streaming era LP the other arguably did not. Why did relying on the GP work for Rihanna, but not Katy? and will Dua go to Rita/Katy or Rihanna route? Discuss!
Virgos Groove Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Rihanna made ANTI. Katy made Witness.
AxelFox Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 It's pretty obvious why, no? Rihanna has never had a fiasco like the Witness era where Katy literally killed her brand and public image. Her reputation has been damaged beyond repair imo. And even if it hasn't, Smile was a piss poor attempt at rebuilding back her brand. If anything, it made it even worse with the dated early 2010s sound, stupid imagery and poor single choices. Rihanna's always maintained her cool factor and can still build and expand upon it.
taipei Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Who cares if Katy isn’t relevant anymore? At least she released One of the Boys, Teenage Dream, Prism…All great pop albums. What Rihanna album is memorable honestly? The only ones I listen to are Good Girl Gone Bad (only a few tracks) and Unapologetic Edited February 17, 2023 by taipei
Paola Bracho Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 1 minute ago, taipei said: Who cares if Katy isn’t relevant anymore? At least she released One of the Boys, Teenage Dreams, Prism…All great pop albums. What Rihanna album is memorable honestly? The only ones I listen to are Good Girl Gone Bad (only a few tracks) and Unapologetic
RockStarShit101 Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 I love both. Won't get into this stupid discussion.
Jessie Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Rihanna has the cool factor that appeals to the younger generations and is a fashion icon and beauty guru on top of her deep bench of classics and collaborations. Katy feels aged out and any cool factor she had between 2011-2013 is long gone. She leaned too far into being the clown of pop and the clown came back to bite.
kendoll2001 Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Rihanna’s brand was always serving “effortless”, “cool” and adult — designed to age amazingly with time. Katy’s and the Weird Al Yancovic cosplay, catering to 13 year olds had a shelf life. She didn’t adapt enough. But Katy is still endlessly loaded, and has that Orlando peen, so she’s hardly a loser. Katy did very well for herself. And as for Dua, I foresee her being somewhere in the middle. She’ll not reach the full global heights of Rihanna, but she also won’t fall off the face of the earth like Katy after one big era. She’ll continue to coast well in the middle for years, and remain successful in her own way
Solaria Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Dua’s image is much less camp and cringe than Katy’s was, I think she’ll survive till atleast album four. After that she might suffer from the 35+ thing but I think she’ll be fine
Zoomer Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 One had a community backing her up because they can’t afford losing a black artist from the mainstream media (as much as she’s extremely untalented and mediocre at best). The other is just as generic but had no support once she passed 30, cut her hair (lost her sex appeal) and made a bad album
Mordecai Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Rihanna has her makeup company. It's been really successful, has allowed her to remain in the public eye and probably most importantly has allowed her to cultivate a following beyond music. So people are there for more than just the music, they're there for RIhanna. If she didn't have Fenty Beauty and tried to make a comeback idk how she'd be received. Somebody else above has described Katy's situation well. What makes it worse is that instead of using that backlash to come back even harder Katy just disappeared and didn't really do much to win back people (which is understandable). NRO's success showed that the demand was still there.
45seconds Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, taipei said: Who cares if Katy isn’t relevant anymore? At least she released One of the Boys, Teenage Dream, Prism…All great pop albums. What Rihanna album is memorable honestly? The only ones I listen to are Good Girl Gone Bad (only a few tracks) and Unapologetic I find this hilarious because who knows any Katy songs passed the singles? Like be serious. Meanwhile ANTI is a better album that Katy Perry could ever make.
Blue Monday Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Rihanna was better at branding herself, plain and simple. Katy’s corny schtick was always going to expire at some point
Delirious Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, RockStarShit69 said: I love both. Won't get into this stupid discussion. True. Both are legends in their own right
Jessie Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Also Rihanna decided to take a break with loads of goodwill critically and commercially with ANTI, whereas Katy is in the completely opposite — and harder —position.
Erreur2 La Nature Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 (edited) Why are Little Monsters bullying Rihanna/Britney/Katy every day and trying to start stan wars ? So weird to hide behind other artists Don’t fall for this trap people. Edited February 17, 2023 by Erreur2 La Nature
Otter Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Katy never released her magnum opus Tsunami Witness could have 4-5 medium size hits if the era was handled properly, there was lots of potential in the material. Smile however was aweful. I still have hope for KP6
WitnessOblivia Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 I agree with what others have said. Witness destroyed the brand that was Katy Perry. I think the GP perceived Katy as a fun, quirky, beautiful woman with relatable catchy music. With Witness she turned into, well, not Katy Perry. The music wasn't as good, her behaviour was very odd and she didn't look great (very shallow but whatever). I don't think she has to be completely over. Everyone can have a comeback with the right music and the right payola. Katy has endless resources available. But I doubt she cares anymore. Rihanna has that bad ***** attitude. She doesn't give a ****. And the GP knows that. The brand Rihanna created for herself is just so much more flexible. She can do as she likes basically. And Rihanna's last album was just really good. She didn't leave a sour taste in the GP's mouth like Katy did with Witness. As for Dua, only time will tell. I think she's smart and she knows what not to do. I don't think she'll have her Witness era. But I stan Dua too and you know what happened to my main fave, it's a curse I fear.
RihFenty20 Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Zoomer said: One had a community backing her up because they can’t afford losing a black artist from the mainstream media (as much as she’s extremely untalented and mediocre at best This is so untrue. Black Americans literally pushed Rihanna out of their community due to Xenophobia. Rihanna originally struggled to get Urban airplay, that’s why her pop presence was so strong. Pop consumers (which are predominately white) make up the majority her core base. They’re the ones who pushed her to her success. It’s really as simple as knowing your audience and making good music. Rih does, Katy did not.
istan4badgalriri Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 imagine thinking Rihanna & Katy Perry have anything in common in 2023 I-
Nashe Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 Rih never lost the cool factor, but Katy can bounce back anytime Meghan Trainor-style with the right tune.
Mr. Stratus Posted February 17, 2023 Author Posted February 17, 2023 1 hour ago, WitnessOblivia said: I agree with what others have said. Witness destroyed the brand that was Katy Perry. I think the GP perceived Katy as a fun, quirky, beautiful woman with relatable catchy music. With Witness she turned into, well, not Katy Perry. The music wasn't as good, her behaviour was very odd and she didn't look great (very shallow but whatever). I don't think she has to be completely over. Everyone can have a comeback with the right music and the right payola. Katy has endless resources available. But I doubt she cares anymore. Rihanna has that bad ***** attitude. She doesn't give a ****. And the GP knows that. The brand Rihanna created for herself is just so much more flexible. She can do as she likes basically. And Rihanna's last album was just really good. She didn't leave a sour taste in the GP's mouth like Katy did with Witness. As for Dua, only time will tell. I think she's smart and she knows what not to do. I don't think she'll have her Witness era. But I stan Dua too and you know what happened to my main fave, it's a curse I fear. a katy stan entering the thread answering maturely no meltdowns and ramblings allowed - just good discussion
Diocles Posted February 17, 2023 Posted February 17, 2023 If you think about it, Rihanna's 7-8 year hiatus was bigger than all Katy's projects these years
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