Is It Time For Meat Eaters To Pay A Kill Tax?

[GraceRandolph]

Haven't we suffered enough? Haven't we tolerated the killing and bloodshed to our own peril? Is it time for meat eating carnists to finally face a minuscule amount of consequence for their actions. Vegans must rise up, we have let the depravity go unchecked for far too long.

[magazine]

Nurse, we got ha!

 

[Guest]

Absolutely 

 

I hope to see meat consumption made illegal in my lifetime, not saying it's realistic, just hoping. It's animal abuse, 100% unnecessary and needs to come to an end.

 

I'm vegan, btw.

[MadonnasBoyfriend]

These feels attention seeky. But no. The egg prices should be cheaper

Edited February 14, 2023 by MadonnasBoyfriend

[ProudLBS]

Vegan proselytizers should pay a mind-your-own-business tax

[waylon4ever]

I’m eating a nice juicy burger reading this! 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

Vegan proselytizers should pay a mind-your-own-business tax

I don't think "mind your own business" applies here.

 

I'm all for minding my own business and letting others do whatever they want with their own lives, so long as there isn't a victim to their actions. The animals are the victims here & they don't have their own voice, they deserve to be defended and have a right to live. Why should people stand aside and allow murder to continue as if inflicting suffering is a personal choice?

[99sandthe2000s]

[ProudLBS]

On 2/14/2023 at 11:08 PM, Yum said:

I don't think "mind your own business" applies here.

 

I'm all for minding my own business and letting others do whatever they want with their own lives, so long as there isn't a victim to their actions. The animals are the victims here & they don't have their own voice, they deserve to be defended and have a right to live. Why should people stand aside and allow murder to continue as if inflicting suffering is a personal choice?

I have bad news for you

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/16/if-plants-are-so-intelligent-should-we-stop-eating-them
 

are you gonna learn how to photosynthesize, like the columnist suggests?

Edited February 16, 2023 by ProudLBS

[Guest]

Just now, ProudLBS said:

I have bad news for you

 

Plants are not capable of feeling pain, they do not have nerves. There is a difference between a carrot and a dead cow. Also, even if we did want to protect plants the solution would still be to not eat animals as we are having to farm a very large amount of plants just to feed to the mass amount of livestock we bred into existence to be farmed for animal products. If we stopped farming animals a whole lot less plants would need to be farmed to feed them.

[bad guy]

No. Some of us enjoy protein and not being sickly.

 

[45seconds]

Me after the second Big Mac

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, bad guy said:

No. Some of us enjoy protein and not being sickly.

 

Almonds, chickpeas, nuts & lentils have entered the room

 

[bad guy]

Just now, Yum said:

Almonds, chickpeas, nuts & lentils have entered the room

 

Almond/Oat milk is great (I don’t really like dairy milk) but be honest nothing beats a good chicken, fish, or steak.

 

[Guest]

Just now, bad guy said:

Almond/Oat milk is great (I don’t really like dairy milk) but be honest nothing beats a good chicken, fish, or steak.

 

I don't dispute that people enjoy the taste of animal products, and I completely understand those who do, I used to when I was younger. I'm just making the case that regardless of our enjoyment of them, the way they are produced is not morally acceptable.

 

Also I've found (personally) it's not preference, but rather familiarity. The first time I tried a vegan cheese I hated it, but I tried it again some months later expecting to hate it again, but loved it. It wasn't ever that I disliked the taste, it was that I was expecting it to taste identical to dairy cheese, and the lack of familiarity threw me off. When I first went vegan I wasn't impressed with some substitutions but stuck with it because the moral basis mattered more to me than my taste preference, but after a short while I was more than happy with the vegan alternatives and wouldn't want to switch back. But that's just a personal anecdote, it's different for different people.

[jezebelvictoria]

Vegans are the worst. 

[AdrianNicki]

[Big Bad Wolf]

Lol hell no and this would never happen in America especially with the people who hunt for sport. How exactly will they be taxed? 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Big Bad Wolf said:

Lol hell no and this would never happen in America especially with the people who hunt for sport. How exactly will they be taxed? 

Well I doubt they could tax those who hunt and such on their own. But it should be reasonably easy to tax supermarket sales of animal products? Similar to the sugar tax? 

[Big Bad Wolf]

7 minutes ago, Yum said:

Well I doubt they could tax those who hunt and such on their own. But it should be reasonably easy to tax supermarket sales of animal products? Similar to the sugar tax? 

But no tax on the people who hunt for fun, hunt to practice shooting guns, and hunt for taxidermy, but we’ll tax citizens for consuming meat products? Something about that just doesn’t sit right with me.

 

I know it may be more of a gun control issue, as well as laws against hunting, but I can’t get behind it for that reason.

[Icarus]

We just need to ensure that all farm animals are kept free-range and are killed as humanely and painlessly as possible 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Big Bad Wolf said:

But no tax on the people who hunt for fun, hunt to practice shooting guns, and hunt for taxidermy, but we’ll tax citizens for consuming meat products? Something about that just doesn’t sit right with me.

 

I know it may be more of a gun control issue, as well as laws against hunting, but I can’t get behind it for that reason.

Yeah if I had it my way those who hunt would also be taxed, I'm just saying there is at least a clear path to taxing meat sales if they wanted to pursue this path.

[ninasayers]

1 hour ago, Yum said:

Absolutely 

 

I hope to see meat consumption made illegal in my lifetime, not saying it's realistic, just hoping. It's animal abuse, 100% unnecessary and needs to come to an end.

 

I'm vegan, btw.

50 minutes ago, Yum said:

I don't think "mind your own business" applies here.

 

I'm all for minding my own business and letting others do whatever they want with their own lives, so long as there isn't a victim to their actions. The animals are the victims here & they don't have their own voice, they deserve to be defended and have a right to live. Why should people stand aside and allow murder to continue as if inflicting suffering is a personal choice?

43 minutes ago, Yum said:

Plants are not capable of feeling pain, they do not have nerves. There is a difference between a carrot and a dead cow. Also, even if we did want to protect plants the solution would still be to not eat animals as we are having to farm a very large amount of plants just to feed to the mass amount of livestock we bred into existence to be farmed for animal products. If we stopped farming animals a whole lot less plants would need to be farmed to feed them.

35 minutes ago, Yum said:

Almonds, chickpeas, nuts & lentils have entered the room

26 minutes ago, Yum said:

I don't dispute that people enjoy the taste of animal products, and I completely understand those who do, I used to when I was younger. I'm just making the case that regardless of our enjoyment of them, the way they are produced is not morally acceptable.

 

Also I've found (personally) it's not preference, but rather familiarity. The first time I tried a vegan cheese I hated it, but I tried it again some months later expecting to hate it again, but loved it. It wasn't ever that I disliked the taste, it was that I was expecting it to taste identical to dairy cheese, and the lack of familiarity threw me off. When I first went vegan I wasn't impressed with some substitutions but stuck with it because the moral basis mattered more to me than my taste preference, but after a short while I was more than happy with the vegan alternatives and wouldn't want to switch back. But that's just a personal anecdote, it's different for different people.

Back to back to back. Whew. 

 

OT: Definitely. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Icarus said:

We just need to ensure that all farm animals are kept free-range and are killed as humanely and painlessly as possible 

I fear by definition it's not humane to kill an animal that's not suffering/does not want to die. They are living beings and should be entitled to the right to live.

[Guest]

Just now, ninasayers said:

Back to back to back. Whew. 

 

OT: Definitely.