Biggest peak of the century: 21 or The Fame+Monster?

[chaklux]

1 hour ago, AMIT said:

Looking at it solely by commercial metrics of course 21 blows TFM out of the water, so if that's what the thread is asking, there's not much reason for it to even exist.  

 

But outside of those, 21 did nothing for music or pop culture. It was just a big era with nothing else to show for itself, that's why I voted for TFM.

At a point where EDM and pop was the predominant sound. Adele dominated with ballads and slow songs which renewed mainstream interest in that kind of music. I would argue that that was what paved the way to the likes of lana, even Billie, et al enjoying mainstream success. Prior to Adele, all the MPG were dominating with catchy/high energy tunes. So miss me with the no influence bullsh*t. 

[Escape]

21

[AMIT]

Just now, chaklux said:

At a point where EDM and pop was the predominant sound. Adele dominated with ballads and slow songs which renewed mainstream interest in that kind of music. I would argue that that was what paved the way to the likes of lana, even Billie, et al enjoying mainstream success. Prior to Adele, all the MPG were dominating with catchy/high energy tunes. So miss me with the no influence bullsh*t. 

Ballads weren't a new thing then. They have existed before Adele, continued to exist and will do so forever. Adele did nothing new and paved nothing for anyone else whatsoever. Lana, Lorde, Billie etc would still exist exactly as they are right now had Adele not been a thing.  

[unclefloprry]

10 minutes ago, chaklux said:

Everyone is mainly the gays really and pop culture forums, that's why it feels like a bigger era to you but Adele had the whole world on a chokehold without even trying(straight and gays inclusive). 

Sadly for you, prime Gaga wasn't only listened by gay people, that's why her songs made the IFPI charts for 3 years in a row.  

Of course, like ALL pop girls, her niche reduced to gay people after her peak.

Edited February 3, 2023 by unclefloprry

[supertiffany]

21 and until now 

 

RITD, SLY, SFTTR are still raking almost 1 million daily spotify streams.

 

 

SMASH PEAK with LONGEVITY!

[Hot Volcano]

40 minutes ago, Henry Torres said:

Please

Britney literally was the first artist ever to start w/ 1M sells first week how is it ''everyone was getting diamond albums''?   What a stupid excuse... But Gaga stans have to come up with something. 

 

Britney is literally the best selling teenager of all time wait but everyone was getting diamond albums 

1998 - 2000 was the era where EVERY major star got a Diamond album, it was the peak of the physical era.

 

1998
Kid Rock - Devil Without a Cause
NSYNC - *NSYNC
Dixie Chicks - Wide Open Spaces
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
Garth Brooks - Double Live
2pac - Greatest Hits

1999
Backstreet Boys - Millennium
Santana - Supernatural
Creed - Human Clay

Dixie Chicks - Fly
Britney Spears - Baby One More Time

2000
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
The Beatles - 1
NSYNC - No Strings Attached
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
Britney Spears - Oops!... I Did It Again
Nelly - Country Grammar
 

and then the following year

 

2001
ZERO Diamond albums



Britney was just lucky to debut during that era, doesn't make her 2nd album "the biggest album of the century"

[Tropez]

1 minute ago, Hot Volcano said:

1998 - 2000 was the era where EVERY major star got a Diamond album, it was the peak of the physical era.

 

1998
Kid Rock - Devil Without a Cause
NSYNC - *NSYNC
Dixie Chicks - Wide Open Spaces
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
Garth Brooks - Double Live
2pac - Greatest Hits

1999
Backstreet Boys - Millennium
Santana - Supernatural
Creed - Human Clay

Dixie Chicks - Fly
Britney Spears - Baby One More Time

2000
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
The Beatles - 1
NSYNC - No Strings Attached
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
Britney Spears - Oops!... I Did It Again
Nelly - Country Grammar
 

and then the following year

 

2001
ZERO Diamond albums



Britney was just lucky to debut during that era, doesn't make her 2nd album "the biggest album of the century"

Tbh this is ridiculous. Because that was not the case. She’s still has one of the best selling debuts in history. If it were that easy, everyone would have diamond albums and it would be meaningless. I can in fact name you tons of popular artists that didn’t even go diamond. 
 

Back to topic, Adele’s 21 was a historic moment. Gaga while big was easily overshadowed by Adele whose music was not the kind to be that popular. Especially among all demographics. 

[Hot Volcano]

1 minute ago, Tropez said:

Tbh this is ridiculous. Because that was not the case. She’s still has one of the best selling debuts in history. If it were that easy, everyone would have diamond albums and it would be meaningless. I can in fact name you tons of popular artists that didn’t even go diamond. 
 

Back to topic, Adele’s 21 was a historic moment. Gaga while big was easily overshadowed by Adele whose music was not the kind to be that popular. Especially among all demographics. 

How is it ridiculous? Britney's Oops was released during an era where all the top artists were going Diamond with their albums while 21 was the ONLY album to go Diamond during that time. One is obviously bigger than the other one  and the fact that 21 outsold Oops in pure copies speaks volumes.

 

Also I forgot to mention that there were a bunch of 8m,9m selling albums during 1998-2000, further proving my point.

[Henry Torres]

7 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

1998 - 2000 was the era where EVERY major star got a Diamond album, it was the peak of the physical era.

 

1998
Kid Rock - Devil Without a Cause
NSYNC - *NSYNC
Dixie Chicks - Wide Open Spaces
Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
Garth Brooks - Double Live
2pac - Greatest Hits

1999
Backstreet Boys - Millennium
Santana - Supernatural
Creed - Human Clay

Dixie Chicks - Fly
Britney Spears - Baby One More Time

2000
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
The Beatles - 1
NSYNC - No Strings Attached
Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory
Britney Spears - Oops!... I Did It Again
Nelly - Country Grammar
 

and then the following year

 

2001
ZERO Diamond albums


 

Notice how it's dominated by men/boysbands/girlsbands.

 

7 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Britney was just lucky to debut during that era, doesn't make her 2nd album "the biggest album of the century"

Then what does make Gaga have the biggest album of the century? 

 

 

[Kyoto]

3 hours ago, yonsé said:

People were really polarized by Gaga. Some loved her (gays) and others didn’t get her (everyone else)

[FightDragonsWithMe]

"Britney was the best-selling teenager"

 

that was THIRTY YEARS AGO let her go 

[Hot Volcano]

6 minutes ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

"Britney was the best-selling teenager"

 

that was THIRTY YEARS AGO let her go 

MTE

 

24 minutes ago, Henry Torres said:

Then what does make Gaga have the biggest album of the century? 

 

 

I never said that

[Cruel Summer]

I know 21 shifted more total units and all, but Gaga also did a huge tour for TFM, which I think should be counted as a part of discussing which era was a bigger peak holistically. I feel like the Monster Ball has a high enough final gross to make up for the difference in consumption.

[Digitalism]

If you want to know who is a troll on atrl just watch who voted for TFM on that poll

[yonsé]

21 minutes ago, Kyoto said:

i mean i loved her. but everyone else around me was like "...she's too weird for me". i feel like that was the general consensus until Born This Way exploded.

[Aethereal]

1 hour ago, FailSafe said:

I'd argue it's bigger than The Body Guard soundtrack, which has several albums from the 90s that came relatively close to its sales. 21 however, no one- be it a solo act or a group- was selling anywhere close to her the decade it was released (2010s). When the best-selling albums of that decade range from 10, 12, 13 million pure copies, Adele would go on to sell 35 million pure copies (maybe even higher now). 21 was a literal anomaly in every sense of the word.

The streams pretty much cover up any advantage Whitney had in the 90s. With that logic 25 could be considered bigger than 21 because Beyonce, Gaga, Rihanna and Katy had way stronger eras in 2011 than they did in 2016/2015.

[Winged]

One will be in the books with classics attached to it 

 

21 is timeless and will never die, Born To Die or Back to Black type of album! 

[Tropez]

1 hour ago, Hot Volcano said:

How is it ridiculous? Britney's Oops was released during an era where all the top artists were going Diamond with their albums while 21 was the ONLY album to go Diamond during that time. One is obviously bigger than the other one  and the fact that 21 outsold Oops in pure copies speaks volumes.

 

Also I forgot to mention that there were a bunch of 8m,9m selling albums during 1998-2000, further proving my point.

It literally does not prove your point at all. It was not easy to get a diamond album or selling over 5 million units. That was still seen as a blockbuster album even back then. I cannot believe you are even tryng to argue going diamond was easy. 
 

Like you have to be joking. Let’s be serious for like a second please. 

[Rhiannon]

TFM

[flower moon]

tfm becasue i only ever vote gaga

[sasashite]

21 and it's not close. Bigger album, bigger hits, bigger acclaim, bigger award recognition...

 

Gaga was a bigger celebrity I guess

[Zoe_]

Wtf??? 21 is next to Thriller.

[The Music Industry]

Anyone voting for The Fame is extremely delusional

[Aethereal]

16 hours ago, Hot Volcano said:

In most of the world, TFM was a re-release, so it makes more sense to count it together than seperate. 

 

Oops was the sophomore to the smash debut album in the era where everyone and their grandmas were getting Diamond albums, so I wouldn't even put it in the top 5 biggest female eras of the century.

It wasn't. You all wanna make Artpop look like a greater flop than it already is. 

TF+M has 9 singles together, nearly the same amount of singles that OIDIA and BOMT has combined. Very rarely do albums have this amount of singles. 

TF is probably at 22M SPS, TFM must be around 14M SPS (slightly above BTW because it was seldom sold as two copies as The Fame + Monster so it might've decreased it's sales by a certain amount).

 

Edited February 4, 2023 by Aristotle

[Gorjesspazze9]

People on here really thinking Gaga debut was bigger then Britney 

The Fame wasn’t even the biggest pop album that year.