album Kesha - 'Gag Order'

[Power love]

What’s next for this era? 

[CroNich]

1 hour ago, SmittenCake said:

 

another smash tweet 

 

 

 

ugh she really ushered in the era of the pop girl/electro-pop dominance with this one 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Power love said:

What’s next for this era? 

Just the tour I think. The writers strike really limited what promotional activities she could do.

 

Its possible that the tour itself could provide some good promo however, as Tik Tok has made these tours way more accessible to wider audiences, so a few viral videos from her tour on there could definitely help give this era a little boost.

 

I do think unfortunately its basically over otherwise. Lets just hope we don't have to wait another 2-3 years for the next one 

[TomTom]

8 hours ago, SmittenCake said:

another smash tweet 

 

[SmittenCake]

 

needs to go viral! 

 

 

[Popboi.]

11 hours ago, Power love said:

What’s next for this era? 

The tour.

[bearman]

 

 

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The album spent two weeks on the Billboard 200, peaking at 168 — a flop.

By contrast, Gottwald, 49, seemed to be on an upswing. He was named pop songwriter of the year in May by the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers for hits he penned for Doja Cat, Nicki Minaj and Latto.

The article doesn't paint her in the best light. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by bearman

[TomTom]

Just now, bearman said:

 

 

The article doesn't pay her in the best light. 

This article is completely pointless, it's just a re-hash of all known facts without any new information whatsoever that maybe could have been useful a few years ago and them dragging Gag Order is just the cherry on top.

 

You'd expect some post-settlement inside information or expert analysis instead of this boring summary.

[bearman]

5 minutes ago, TomTom2288 said:

This article is completely pointless, it's just a re-hash of all known facts without any new information whatsoever that maybe could have been useful a few years ago and them dragging Gag Order is just the cherry on top.

 

You'd expect some post-settlement inside information or expert analysis instead of this boring summary.

Yeah it's basically a summary of the story but the tone is very hostile towards her. It's the second publication trashing her for her sales while complementing his recent resurgence. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by bearman

[TomTom]

Just now, bearman said:

Yeah it's basically a summary of the story but the tone is very hostile towards her. It's the second publication trashing her for her sales while completing his recent resurgence. 

I have no doubt about on whose payroll these people are based on this combined with the fact that they didn't even talk about why the settlement even happened at all .

 

Kesha remains unbothered enjoying her freedom, having released an acclaimed record and soon embarking on her well-selling tour.

[bearman]

1 minute ago, TomTom2288 said:

I have no doubt about on whose payroll these people are based on this combined with the fact that they didn't even talk about why the settlement even happened at all .

I don't think journalists in the LA and NY Times are on his payroll. It's just a reminder that we live in a post-MeToo era because that kind of article would have never come out a couple of years ago. 

 

 

 

[TomTom]

Just now, bearman said:

I don't think journalists in the LA and NY Times are on his payroll. It's just a reminder that we live in a post-MeToo era because that kind of article would have never come out a couple of years ago. 

Ironic because this case preceded #MeToo .

 

Anyways, given that this article produced no new insights, no one cares...kinda speechless that the only thing two award-winning journalists are able to come up with is a stale re-hash of decade-old documents, facts and statements without any new information or personal contributions that go beyond eloquently combining various puzzle pieces based on arbitrary criteria while also completely glossing over the whole legal core of the developments.

[bearman]

3 minutes ago, TomTom2288 said:

Ironic because this case preceded #MeToo 

That’s my point, it’s the fact that the media coverage was more favorable towards her during the MeToo era and now the same publications are posting ‘both sides’ articles. There was no way a journalist back then would dare to publish something that painted her in a negative way. 

 

 

[TomTom]

16 minutes ago, bearman said:

That’s my point, it’s the fact that the media coverage was more favorable towards her during the MeToo era and now the same publications are posting ‘both sides’ articles. There was no way a journalist back then would dare to publish something that painted her in a negative way. 

Despite their "credentials", the quality of the article speaks for itself with statements like these:

 

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In June, the legal battle that had raged so long and so acrimoniously settled with a relative whimper: No apologies, no compensation. The deal foreclosed a trial set for this summer and a public airing of the evidence.

 

Then, on June 22, both sides announced the trial was off, and that they had reached a settlement. The terms did not obligate Sebert to pay Gottwald a dime, or abide by a nondisclosure agreement. She was required to release a joint statement with him. In it, they each expressed a desire to move on and wished the other well. They also revisited the Mondrian one last time.

They don't actually KNOW the things described in the bolded part, they are just assuming them based on how the public settlement statements are worded. If they knew them for a fact, they provided no source or authority that could vouch for the credibility of them.

 

Finding out whether these are in fact the terms of the settlement and, if not, what they are...now THAT would have been a worthwhile endeavor for two award-winning investigative journalists instead of...this.

 

It seems like they just wanted to do a feature on this topic at all costs without really putting any hard effort in it.

 

This is reinforced by them boasting about discovering the "far more complicated" nature of events than what is reflected in the public narrative, without actually explaining what they discovered that is more complicated than the existing public narrative...which they can't because they simply compiled already existing public information and that's it.

 

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But an examination of thousands of pages of case records, including witness interviews, text messages, expert reports, emails, contracts, therapists’ notes and song lyrics reveals a saga far more complicated than the he-said, she-said narrative that has prevailed in pop culture.

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by TomTom2288

[TomTom]

53 minutes ago, bearman said:

The article doesn't paint her in the best light. 

 

[TomTom]

2 hours ago, bearman said:

I don't think journalists in the LA and NY Times are on his payroll.

Obviously, I don't know this for a fact and that was just my first reaction skimming over the article.

 

However, I've read it again in detail now and there is an undeniable subconscious spin throughout the whole article.

 

While trying to appear as a neutral summary, there's strong agenda-setting when it comes to what gets mentioned and what doesn't as well as who gets cited and who doesn't, there's a clear asymmetry between how much Kesha's actions get covered vs. Luke's, some descriptions seem "loaded" with a certain spin, certain paragraphs seem copy-pasted from some of Luke's motions that he filed and the whole legal discussion of the argument seems to be an irrelevant footnote for the authors that does not warrant any kind of space.

I could go into detail, but the article is not good enough to deserve that.

[TomTom]

18 hours ago, SmittenCake said:

another smash tweet 

 

and another one 

 

[CroNich]

Do we think now that she’s completely free we might get more standalone singles or collabs between eras?
 

I feel like the lack of those throughout her career didn’t help her stay relevant between eras.

Edited August 9, 2023 by CroNich

[Better Mistakes]

I think Happy might be my song of the year. It’s just too relatable 
 

I’d love her to be booked and busy on some DJ collabs: Calvin, Guetta, Tiesto and friends 

[TomTom]

5 minutes ago, CroNich said:

Do we think now that she’s completely free we might get more standalone singles or collabs between eras?

I think it's possible, though the real question is whether that's what she wants...but I'm inclined to believe she is eager to step into the spotlight more post-settlement and not less.

 

7 minutes ago, CroNich said:

I feel like the lack of those throughout her career didn’t help her stay relevant between eras.

I'm not sure if there's a lack (besides Gag Order) - Animal had Right Round (technically), Warrior had Timber, Rainbow had Good Old Days and I think Stronger was supposed to be High Road's smash hit...until it completely bombed and everyone erased it from their memories.

 

She released a good amount of standalone singles and collabs since Rainbow, just not the kind anyone asked for (songs with Wrabel and her niche friend artists).

[CroNich]

9 hours ago, Better Mistakes said:

I think Happy might be my song of the year. It’s just too relatable 
 

I’d love her to be booked and busy on some DJ collabs: Calvin, Guetta, Tiesto and friends 

It made my best friend cry when we were in the car the other day, and he is by no means a kesha stan. 

[CroNich]

9 hours ago, TomTom2288 said:

I think it's possible, though the real question is whether that's what she wants...but I'm inclined to believe she is eager to step into the spotlight more post-settlement and not less.

 

I'm not sure if there's a lack (besides Gag Order) - Animal had Right Round (technically), Warrior had Timber, Rainbow had Good Old Days and I think Stronger was supposed to be High Road's smash hit...until it completely bombed and everyone erased it from their memories.

 

She released a good amount of standalone singles and collabs since Rainbow, just not the kind anyone asked for (songs with Wrabel and her niche friend artists).

True I always forget about those random collabs with random flops that made basically no noise 💀.

I don’t know I guess yeah if she’s going to take a few years between albums (which is fine if that’s her tea) it would be great if she just dropped a song here and there, even if it’s just for her fans. Like Surely she’s written some great songs that maybe don’t necessarily fit into one of her albums but are good enough to be released anyway. 

 

[TomTom]

 

[CroNich]

3 hours ago, TomTom2288 said:

 

Serving looks and transitions!!! We love to see it.

 

I really hope the tour gets her some exposure through Tik Tok and stuff. Clearly it’s selling quite well and it’s gonna be everything I can tell. So sad I get to LA 3 weeks after her show there…

Edited August 12, 2023 by CroNich

[Vixen Eyes]

i need to start a gofundme or something to get me to go to that halloween show near me

[TomTom]

10 hours ago, CroNich said:

and it’s gonna be everything I can tell