fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[SandyJeans]

8 minutes ago, armink said:

True, I can agree that ARMY shouldn't be going out to hunt down random idols who they think are guilty. However, BTS didn't name any names and I don't think its fair to silence them from telling their story in a book that is supposed to be a culmination of their 10 year history.

 

I just think it's so cheap to pretend like they're lying when they have been talking about this mistreatment for the entirety of their careers now.

that's fair, of course BTS should be able to talk about the hardships they've faced on the come up as nugus from a small company

likewise, someone like Jessica should be able to share how she was kicked out of her group in her book or Loona one day will be able to share more about the mistreatment they faced from BBC

 

i just think twitter ARMY specifically is going to take it too far but I guess we'll see

 

[MonsterNavy]

nn goodluck to ygly once they decide to leave that shitty company

 

 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

41 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

SKZ debuted a year before TXT in a more prestigious company

?????????????

 

Big Hit was inarguably the most prestigious agency they could've possibly debuted under

 

[Ubermensch]

Just now, MonsterNavy said:

nn goodluck to ygly once they decide to leave that shitty company

 

 

They shoulda left while they had the chance and let that company crumble around them. It woulda been a huge power play and they would have saved a lot of future trainees from wasting their lives. 

[Mitsuki]

Wait, a DVD 

 

 

 

 

[Adama]

34 minutes ago, armink said:

So are you implying that the members are lying about this for clout? What clout do they need at this point? 

 

I don't understand how it's so difficult to understand that other people in the industry truly DID treat them like ****. This is probably still true for other idols from smaller companies.

 

 

Idk who this is about but I'm just going to choose to blame rat junior 

Never said that! I specifically mentioned ARMYS! Did the members mentioned names? No. So why armys think they can names drop without any evidences? Or maybe they are in the bts members heads? 
 

Mind you Bts are talking about how Hybe overworked them and how they were about to disband but armys are more focused to act like victims again and targeting the same group over and over when they should ask why these boys were about to disband despite being the #1 group in the world 

 

25 minutes ago, armink said:

Only on chronically online spaces like these will people choose to forget that these are REAL PEOPLE who have been harassed by the entire world ever since 2016  

 

Not everything is a calculated move to control the narrative. They get treated like garbage by the baguettes in here on the daily, it's not hard to fathom jealous loser idols did the same to them in real life.

 

 

You do know that Tao left the group years ago and the members doesn’t f with him 

[MonsterNavy]

4 minutes ago, Century said:

They shoulda left while they had the chance and let that company crumble around them. It woulda been a huge power play and they would have saved a lot of future trainees from wasting their lives. 

the fact that bts already funded successful groups like: newjeans, txt, lsrfm and enhypen

twice already funded: itzy, stray kids, niziu, nmixx

while bp's money only birthed: treasure (the least successful big 4 bg so far no offense to melissa) and baemon who are yet to debut

 

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by MonsterNavy

[elevate]

Which of you weirdos posted this yesterday and exhibited exquisite taste that's had me listening to this masterpiece all morning? 

 

 

 

 

[smates]

6 minutes ago, Century said:

BTS are extremely successful and every obstacle they faced in their careers still lead them to where we are today where even non-fans recognize them as the top kpop group. They aren't victims.

Please tell me you realize what this sounds like.

[armink]

14 minutes ago, Century said:

The narrative that BTS are mistreated and need protection legitimizes and even in some instances encourages the worst behavior from Army. At some point they have to switch the narrative from being victims to being untouchable trailblazers and extremely successful. Lets not act like we haven't seem them literally calling for the deaths of other artists and their fans over "mistreatment". 

 

They hard a hard come-up but so did literally all of the other greats. G-Dragon had to **** in a hole in the ground outside of YG, SNSD faced the black ocean, IU didn't know if she was going to make it, etc.

How dense do you have to be to not realize that they're only talking about PAST mistreatment. Today I'm sure most idols would lick the ground that they walk upon.

 

They were mistreated in the past and now have great privilege due to their unquestionable #1 status in the industry. Both of these statements can be true.

 

And I know you didn't just try to compare SNSD comeup from SM ENTERTAINMENT to BTS   truly just worms for brains

 

6 minutes ago, Century said:

None of the other top kpop acts ever gave their fans a sense of security in bashing others based off of nebulous past "mistreatment". We know exactly who it was pulling strings to give SNSD their black ocean, you don't see Taeyeon complaining about it or ignoring Sone threatening to shank Shindong. 

 

BTS are extremely successful and every obstacle they faced in their careers still lead them to where we are today where even non-fans recognize them as the top kpop group. They aren't victims.

Did you just forget when Bang Chan unleashed his rabid fans on IVE a few weeks ago? Or how SNSD members were complaining that juniors weren't greeting them properly around the Holiday promotions? Idols have been talking about mistreatment forever now. Funny how its only a problem when BTS does it 

 

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/controversy-sparks-junior-idols-allegedly-ignore-girls-generation-backstage/

 

4 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

Because it’s pure masturbatory nonsense. Playing the constant victim mentality makes you look like a psycho when you’re at the top of entertainment. Look at Taylor Swift and her success. She’s on a 5 year vendetta to re-record her imperial works purely out of self satisfaction and is selling worse versions of her music to her fans. It only feeds into your delusion that they’re some underdog group when in reality they’re literally at the top and on a hiatus. It only served the interests of the fans to feed more into their parasocial underdog mentality  

Refer to what I said above.

 

They were mistreated in the past and now have great privilege due to their unquestionable #1 status in the industry. Both of these statements can be true. 

 

No one (sane) is saying they're mistreated right now.

[Kummercell]

2 minutes ago, elevate said:

Which of you weirdos posted this yesterday and exhibited exquisite taste that's had me listening to this masterpiece all morning? 

 

 

 

 

oh sweetie get into Yukika NOW

"Soul Lady" is one of the best kpop albums ever

 

[CandyCoatedClouds]

13 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

 

Relax, we are just cutely shading them for fun, which happens to every other group in here including SKZ. This is still nothing compared to how much some of the extinct MOAs dragged SKZ in here during Temptation era, so think of it more as a response and Karma. But I personally has nothing against the TXT members and even praise them from time to time. Tinnitus is still that bop

 

"Yeah, I want it, want it, want it
Want it, want it, want it, yeah"

 

 

 

 

Are there even MOA's here? Where they at? 

9 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

I don't really get you, being honest. Last time we had a conversation you were telling me Stray Kids should stop releasing unlistenable noise/loud/powerful music consistently and going through a more friendly concept and type of music at least one time or another, to wide their audience to western taste. But now they are going exactly for the right route to appeal to Westeners. What's the truth? 

 

Not that I disagree they are doing something right. This is what I've been saying since the beginning here when everyone quotes me saying they should change musically and conceptually. It's just that It seems the perception changes depending on the narrative. 

 

Anyway, I disagree TXT doesn't appeal to western audience. Their type of music is extremely westernized. They are mostly produced by western people, after all. And having lesser members is appealing exactly because western audience is familiarized with small groups the most. The english song itself is a copy of BTS' marketing tactic that went well on western markets. 

1. I just want SKZ to release of a mixture of GOOD noise music that everyone can listen too. Not like S-Class.

2. I meant to western Kpop fans, not just normal westerners. To western kpop fans, big groups appeal more because the larger the number, the more likely to have a stan attractor. And they do intense concepts more often.

 

4 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

?????????????

 

Big Hit was inarguably the most prestigious agency they could've possibly debuted under

 

Big Hit hasn't been around for 20+ years nor have they produced as many successful acts like JYP. Big Hit is huge but they haven't been around as long.

[SandyJeans]

ya'll are too hard on BTS in this thread tbh. their fandom is the PITS I truly get it - especially on Twitter, but seems like it's difficult to have a nuanced conversation about the group without resorting to personal attacks on the members instead of their fandom 

 

army-tokkis and blink-tokkis, lets leave the negativity on twitter  

 

#StopTheDrama #StartTheMusic 

[Ubermensch]

3 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said:

 

while bp's money only birthed: treasure (the least successful big 4 bg so far no offense to melissa) and baemon who are yet to debut

YG took their money from exploiting women(black pink) and put it towards exploiting girls(shower camera). Seriously don't understand why either them or GD chose to stay with that nasty company. 

[spicyaegha]

1 hour ago, Pluto2022 said:

Why did Bang PD set TXT up like that by saying that their collab with Jonas Brothers would go top 20 on Hot 100, and Ryan Tedder setting them up even more by saying it will go top 10  The way they acted as if it was this revolutionary thing as well  It's literally the most faceless song ever 

 

WHY WOULD THEY EVEN RELEASE THIS BEHIND THE SCENES VIDEO AND SET THEM UP LIKE THIS TO BEGIN WITH  

 

Ngl kpop ceo or whatever seem so detached from reality… like I don’t even think they got a single song on the hot 100 before?

 

like this makes me wonder what other groups get behind the scenes, like there must be pressure to chart or sell very well even if it’s beyond reasonable expectations like this lol.

[lgaga1fan]

2 minutes ago, armink said:

Refer to what I said above.

 

 

They were mistreated in the past and now have great privilege due to their unquestionable #1 status in the industry. Both of these statements can be true. 

 

No one (sane) is saying they're mistreated right now.

There’s a difference between mobilizing a fanbase in the present and doing so over decade old beef. It speaks more to ARMYs inability to separate themselves from BTS. I’m not saying that the group themselves shouldn’t speak on issues. It’s moreso the fact that ARMY are mentally incapable of separating from the past and find it so abhorrent that they were made fun of from being from a nugu company. 

 

Also BTS themselves continue to act like victims actually. Half of the solo output from the members has talked about how they have opps, how they’re so hard, how they’re above everything etc. It’s quite literally an embarrassment.  

[spicyaegha]

18 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said:

nn goodluck to ygly once they decide to leave that shitty company

 

 

If they resign we better get their most promoted era next !! Like The Album but even better promo wise, my girls need a global smash 

[Save-Me-Oprah]

 

Hao on the violin at 10:40

[lgaga1fan]

I’m quite literally over this BTS victim bullshit after Gaga won fairly over them at the Grammys and their mentally inept stan’s had full scale meltdowns calling her a white demon, racist, erc. Dynamite sold more and performs better and that gave ARMY delusions of grandeur. Reality set in and they had a defcon 9 fanbase meltdown. Gaga shows her good graces a year later and they suddenly all switch on her and love her because she was nice to V. It’s so transparent and annoying that the fanbase collectively act like 13 year olds. I know a lot of ARMY are normal people but they get easily overshadowed by the crazies. BTS went on to support her and take photos and show how much of a big fan they are. At least pretend to be like your faves and he above the drama instead of being misogynistic and annoying 24/7.

[MonsterNavy]

I think men have it easier in the kpop industry no matter how "mistreated" you are you want us to believe you

 

 its the women who should be writing books about mistreatments in the kpop industry but maybe that's just me (pedo and creepy executives, misogynistic people in the industry behind the scenes, the surgeries these companies suggest for the to have pre debut, the music they make etc etc)

 

misandry is not a thing not especially in the kpop industry lol

[smates]

I imagine if someone were to come up to you all and said: "I was mobbed and alieniated at my workplace. I was humiliated in front of people, and I was unfairly treated for several years", you'd reply: "Well, it was years ago and you're well off now, no need to bring it up and ruin their careers, just let it go and stop the victim mentality"  That's the vibe I'm getting from many users here.

[armink]

Just now, lgaga1fan said:

There’s a difference between mobilizing a fanbase in the present and doing so over decade old beef. It speaks more to ARMYs inability to separate themselves from BTS. I’m not saying that the group themselves shouldn’t speak on issues. It’s moreso the fact that ARMY are mentally incapable of separating from the past and find it so abhorrent that they were made fun of from being from a nugu company. 

 

Also BTS themselves continue to act like victims actually. Half of the solo output from the members has talked about how they have opps, how they’re so hard, how they’re above everything etc. It’s quite literally an embarrassment.  

You people talk like BTS are some literal military commanders ordering their fans to do certain things. I guess the fandom name really has you guys messed up. They didn't "mobilize" anything. This is a book to commemorate their history and that statement didn't come out of nowhere. I'm sure some crazy ARMYs are going to run with this and attack random idols, but that isn't what they were TOLD to do. I guarantee you this would happen with every idol and their fanbase, not just BTS and ARMY (see Bang Chan and the IVE situation). That shouldn't silence them from speaking about what happened to them.

 

Do you have a problem with hip-hop artists talking like that? BTS are inherently a hip-hop focused group, of course they will emulate hip-hop songs that speak about those things. And they obviously still have haters (like you) to be singing about. The real embarrassment is you taking such an issue over someone just speaking their truth.

[Ubermensch]

23 minutes ago, armink said:

How dense do you have to be to not realize that they're only talking about PAST mistreatment. Today I'm sure most idols would lick the ground that they walk upon.

 

They were mistreated in the past and now have great privilege due to their unquestionable #1 status in the industry. Both of these statements can be true.

 

And I know you didn't just try to compare SNSD comeup from SM ENTERTAINMENT to BTS   truly just worms for brains

Let me break it down on a level your clearly struggling to keep up brain can actually understand since you decided to get nasty in the middle of a respectful conversation.

• You keep saying that this is BTS bringing up PAST mistreatment and not now, but you're also contributing to Armies witch hunting and attacking other artists in the present based off of GUESSES about something that MIGHT have happened years and years ago.
  • My very problem with their continued victim narrative is that it justifies this kind of behavior by emboldening some of their worse fans who are lacking in critical thinking ability, such as yourself apparently
• They were mistreated in the past because everybody in this industry is mistreated, and while that doesn't make it right, it means that using it to tear down other people who work in the same toxic industry is moronic and makes you personally look dumb if you buy into it
• Before gen 3 SM was full of flopped debuts that the company decided to walk away from and abandon the idols(The Grace, TRAXX, SJ-M, M.I.L.K, Black Beat). They were confirmed to be readying to do this to SNSD before Gee became an international sensation. They very narrowly escaped being in that list of groups nobody has ever heard of by luck. There was no such thing as SM privilege in 2007. Even their now iconic debut single wasn't a hit at the time.

23 minutes ago, armink said:

Did you just forget when Bang Chan unleashed his rabid fans on IVE a few weeks ago?

Uncalled for and tacky.

 

23 minutes ago, armink said:

Or how SNSD members were complaining that juniors weren't greeting them properly around the Holiday promotions? Idols have been talking about mistreatment forever now. Funny how its only a problem when BTS does it 

 

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/controversy-sparks-junior-idols-allegedly-ignore-girls-generation-backstage/

This was a comment made in passing at a fan signing, not a highly publicized book that came after years of songs and speeches about it. Not the gotcha you must have been desperately searching google for. The mistreatment and nastiness goes both ways with people being jealous and bitter towards those at the top.

 

 

Hopefully that clears things up for your incredibly hostile Army brain. I thought you were one of the good ones before today. 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Century

[spicyaegha]

Lol I’m not getting the push back on bts tbh like some armys might be annoying but let’s not forgot they actually did come from a nugu company. 

 

and Korea is all about the hierarchy or whatever, one girlie from ioi was talking about how the same ppl who would greet her in IOI ignored her when she was nugu after they disbanded.

 

Like a lot of ppl must’ve been showing their fangs hard especially when they were rising back in 2015-17 before becoming #1 group, and it’s not wrong to talk abt it nor is it acting like a victim. Like do y’all think big 3 was happy abt their success lol, kpop in general is very unfriendly to any nugu who finds more success then they think they should get

[newaespa]

BTS should instead, write a book about their fandom who bullied every other kpop groups