Mitsuki Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Just now, IvyTower said: I’m not saying their legacy is anywhere close to BP or SNSD, I’m just stating the obvious that they’re clearly the top girl group and front runner in their generation. Though frankly I find rankings don’t really matter and aren’t as far apart or even relevant for this generation. There’s room for all groups as long as we get bops. New jeans aespa IVE and LSRFM will continue to get daily streams from me and my coins for concert tickets regardless of what they rank on arbitrary charts. I wasn't talking about you, but Adama. They were the user saying NewJeans is closer to SNSD/BLACKPINK's impact, or something like that. And somehow the user above said It was stans giving them titles. I was clarifying there isn't any stan doing so, cause, as far as I know, Adama stans other groups. 1
Adama Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: No NewJeans stan here said they have a legacy close to BLACKPINK/SNSD at the moment. The user who gave this opinion isn't a Tokki (as far as I know) I didn’t mentioned legacy. I said Aespa are not the one who made the biggest impact from their gen, and if we’re being real « NJ are the closet to SNSD and BP cultural impact ». 2
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) and stop putting BP who are a direct product of a more impactful group's influence on the level of SNSD who were actually setting the trends themselves and not riding them out after their seniors were forcibly disbanded. In raw #s BP is definitely in the all time kpop GG trinity, but again the discussion is about impact and influence. Certain circle and melon obsessed users don't seem the fully grasp what that is. Edited October 6, 2023 by Century 1
bunnyeyes Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Adama said: I didn’t mentioned legacy. I said Aespa are not the one who made the biggest impact from their gen, and if we’re being real « NJ are the closet to SNSD and BP cultural impact ». I don’t think we’re at a point to discuss cultural impact quite yet. Yes they’re the clear top group but these groups are all getting hits now it’s not as easy to distinguish imo and we know what controversy can do to a very popular group. Each group will leave their own legacy and three generations down the line this will be considered the golden era of girl groups. Edited October 6, 2023 by IvyTower
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, IvyTower said: Now I’m not trying to spar because I love aespa but I recognize following the change of their project’s concept in 2018, SM took part of loona’s concept after helping and studying them and mixed it to try create their version of a YG girl group. They obviously put their own spin and branched out from that beginning but I don’t think total originality really exists too much in later generations inevitably. This automatically makes anything you say about aespa wrong
Mitsuki Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Odette Violet said: As what I'd said. Let's give those girls some more years to prove themselves and not let our feelings/vibes dictates everything. I was just clarifying that there isn't NewJeans stan here giving them titles or comparing their to groups' impact and achievements from other generations at the moment, as you mentioned in your post. You read too much into my post that was very simple...
Blueberry Kisses Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Odette Violet said: THANK YOU it was driving me crazy. One of Taeyeon's best b-sides. They really do sound extremely similar though 1
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dialamba said: Considering they have a 2022 song still charting at 11, their underperforming song rising at 12, and another one in the top 30 I don’t think it’s the same case as pulling numbers from 2021 nope! ktrl already made it clear that past hits don't matter
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) Speaking of Impact. Aespa will continue to be the 4th Gen Leaders who set the trend for metaverses/geek culture in Kpop when Kpop fans were laughing at them but then 3 years later, their faves are basically riding nor taking inspirations from it. Now that's an impact. Not feels and vibes Edited October 6, 2023 by Odette Violet 1 2
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, katyberry said: This automatically makes anything you say about aespa wrong They're a my chill.
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Century said: They're a my chill. Whether they are a MY or not, I think their claim of aespa stealing from loona and yg is wrong... Edited October 6, 2023 by katyberry 1
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Lee Sooman agreed to help Loona put food on their table in exchange for choosing their music and now we have to deal with people who think aespa's concept was stolen from them
Mitsuki Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: We truly stan a group that is popular in the real world! Their stadium tour next year will be iconic.
Dialamba Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) Some of y’all live in an alternate universe it’s hilarious 15 minutes ago, katyberry said: nope! ktrl already made it clear that past hits don't matter Stop playing dense, okay I am was released this year and is the biggest song of the year. Edited October 6, 2023 by Dialamba
Adama Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, IvyTower said: I don’t think we’re at a point to discuss cultural impact quite yet. Yes they’re the clear top group but these groups are all getting hits now it’s not as easy to distinguish imo and we know what controversy can do to a very popular group. Each group will leave their own legacy and three generations down the line this will be considered the golden era of girl groups. I mean no one would have talked about cultural impact if Aespa stan didn’t talk about « musical legacy » and « biggest cultural impact from the 4th gen » in the first place
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: No NewJeans stan here said they have a legacy close to BLACKPINK/SNSD at the moment. The user who gave this opinion isn't a Tokki (as far as I know) All these users that are dragging aespa and MYs left and right actually share a fanbase but let me not point that out and get accused of being obsessed with them again. We all know the tea. Edited October 6, 2023 by Century
lily42 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Delusional essays are hilarious to read ngl. Coping on next level. It takes time to deal with reality
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Dialamba said: Stop playing dense, okay I am was released this year and is the biggest song of the year. Again, you are acting as if I created this rule! It's literally what multiple users in here put into action last year 1
bunnyeyes Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, katyberry said: Lee Sooman agreed to help Loona put food on their table in exchange for choosing their music and now we have to deal with people who think aespa's concept was stolen from them No one said their concept was directly “stolen” except bitter fans on twitter. But I personally see their similarities, you don’t have to agree. I’m more saying that nothing is created in a vacuum and of course new groups will draw from their predecessors. I love aespa and am a sheep; apologies for my poor wording! Edited October 6, 2023 by IvyTower
dlwlrma Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 The only "relevant" group who followed Aespa is NMIXX and this just happened because JYP can't read the industry anymore 2
Pluto6 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) I swear if that user says "geek culture" or brings up how much of a geek he is one more time, like we got it the first time 3 times Edited October 6, 2023 by Pluto2022 4
katyberry Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 The fact this all started because the double standard people have between aespa and IVE was pointed out 1
State of Grace. Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Kinda fuming cause this era is IVE's first letdown for me. Both songs aren't bad, they just sound like cute bsides and even their album had better ones. I hope Baddie saves it but the release strategy is such a mess too. Oh well, at least they still have AOTY. I'm all for groups trying different sounds but their formula was perfect (so KPOP) and it was too soon to start serving bedroom snoozes. 1
Sheep Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, katyberry said: Again, you are acting as if I created this rule! It's literally what multiple users in here put into action last year aespa's "flops" that left them "totally irrelevant" were actually in the top 10. Idk what's so hard to understand for that user when they're the ones who came up with these unrealistic standards.
Odette Violet Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 The reality is KTRL's darlings right now are kinda underperforming and the supposedly fads had just wrapped up the biggest and most attended tour for a 4th Gen so far. There is no shame to admit that. And that's the biggest take away I have for today.
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