fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[Billionaire]

Current BG music is just not that good I fear, the fact that some of the biggest BG songs recently are a cover from the 90s and a song from 2013 says it all 

[Witnessed ET]

3 hours ago, Xalric said:

Twice as a group isn't really interested in sexy concept. Some members are, but the group aren't. And they probably afraid that JYP fail and being called cheap by the GP.

Oh trust me, the girls are. At least majority of them. And they KILL IT when they are given a chance, we can see the examples on tour. I mean they are gorgeous grown women at this point, so there is a natural ease when they’re being sexy on stage. JYPE needs to stop being a wimp and give a full fledged sexy era and see what they do.

MISAMO was a good start but it was more elegant/ethereal than sexy 

this MV almost at 100M views, a Japanese smash 

[Witnessed ET]

That sexy clip of Nayeoncé, Momo and Jihyo unit performance on tour still has me gagging 

that’s the level of sexiness and cvnt we want to see and that subunit NEEDS to happen for that reason 

[Witnessed ET]

14 minutes ago, Billionaire said:

Current BG music is just not that good I fear, the fact that some of the biggest BG songs recently are a cover from the 90s and a song from 2013 says it all 

Seventeen couldn’t relate. Consistently releasing good music and thus smashing digitally in 2023, maybe these other bgs should follow suit 

Engodpen also deserve to smash with gp considering how much quality music they deliver 

 

 

[Witnessed ET]

Art 

 

 

[Gaia]

Sorry but Itzy's music is TRASH and no amount of victim mentality will change that. No one is obligated to like their music just because its music

[elevate]

There's been some great bg music this year, though. Riize and Enhypen constantly deliver and even nugu groups like TNX and P1Harmony have come out with some bops.

 

The problem is stan culture. Some groups are so big (like BTS and Stray Kids) that the music is irrelevant. They can put some of the worst songs and they'll still book the biggest stages and achieve all kills and the like, regardless of the music quality. That problem is there with ggs too, but to a lesser extent. 

 

Ultimately quality wins out, though. That's why Exo continually go viral for their older songs. The same will happen with Enhypen later. The key is the B-sides. Are they generally egregious noise (whatever 3Racha did with the latest Stray Kids album) or are they songs like Bills, Chaconne, Still Monster?

[hindsight]

maybe if these companies tried to make a male BP bgs would get hits again

 

[armink]

17 minutes ago, elevate said:

There's been some great bg music this year, though. Riize and Enhypen constantly deliver and even nugu groups like TNX and P1Harmony have come out with some bops.

 

The problem is stan culture. Some groups are so big (like BTS and Stray Kids) that the music is irrelevant. They can put some of the worst songs and they'll still book the biggest stages and achieve all kills and the like, regardless of the music quality. That problem is there with ggs too, but to a lesser extent. 

 

Ultimately quality wins out, though. That's why Exo continually go viral for their older songs. The same will happen with Enhypen later. The key is the B-sides. Are they generally egregious noise (whatever 3Racha did with the latest Stray Kids album) or are they songs like Bills, Chaconne, Still Monster?

Are these SKZ all-kills in the room with us right now? .

At the end of the day the public has to actually like the songs for them to chart well, and the only boygroups that have managed to properly do that in recent years are BTS, Seventeen, and Exo.

 

 

Quality does win out in the end, which is why BTS still has 3 songs charting on the daily charts, including one that has been charting for almost 7 years straight and is one of the most successful digital songs in SK's history

 

[Da Vinci]

Yeah it's giving "BGs are meant to be seen and not heard"

 

[New Edition]

4 hours ago, Queenyoncee said:

What are your thoughts on this?

 

 

 

 

He probably feels disillusioned. Bighit kept pushing him as 4th gen it boy and kept setting TXT up saying they'd get #1 on B Hot100 for this and that only for none of this to come true. I'm sure he's pissed.

[katyberry]

2 hours ago, illia said:

@KTRL 

 

 

We've hit both green and red

[gigantopithecus]

I think there's a lot of factors going against current bgs success w the gp:

 

• Bgs are historically fandom-driven and their fanbases are majority female. More women/girls are inclined to stan ggs these days which means less are gravitating towards bgs. Without a strong domestic fandom to push the song up a chart, the gp are less likely to hear it and latch on

 

• 3rd gen bgs are still going strong which makes it harder for 4th gen bgs to stand out against them. The gp have always been less likely to take to a new bg than ggs so if they already have a few older bgs they're more comfortable with, they'll just stick to them. The 3 highest charting bgs in Korea this year are all 3rd gen, with the highest song being Exo's song from 2013. BTS is so huge, they eclipse everyone which also impacts all bgs including 3rd gen ones

 

• 4th gen bg strategy is heavily fandom-focused and is mainly just built to capture and keep fans rather than to get casual/non fans to tune in. The songs and content often aren't appealing to nonfans which makes it harder for them to capture the gp through variety/other content and for their song to click for people w no connection to the group. Outside of ZB1 and Enhypen, there hasn't been a 4th gen bg I've heard who has multiple title tracks I feel inclined to listen to multiple times personally

 

• Stigma against bgs is real and not in the stupid bgs vs ggs wars KTRL have way, but bc of homophobia and sexism.
  • Sexism: interests/media/artists that appeal to young women are often looked down upon and viewed as inferior. Bgs are viewed as inferior as they're seen as shallow entertainment for teen girls. This is also why you'll see fans of bgs w bad music being accused of only liking them bc they're hot while fans of ggs w bad music are accused of success stanning or just having bad music taste.
  • Homophobia: straight men are less likely to listen to bg music bc they see it as gay to listen to a group of attractive guys w majority-female fanbase. This viewpoint is also partially due to the sexist believe that the appeal of these groups must be shallow and based on their attractiveness. They believe people can't like bgs for music so they must like them for their looks. A women enjoying gg music doesn't come w the same implication so both genders feel comfortable listening to ggs. This opens ggs up to a wider audience and more people are willing to listen to their music and consume their content

Edited December 19, 2023 by gigantopithecus

[katyberry]

Their best song honestly 

 

 

[youresotoxic]

 

[gigantopithecus]

16 minutes ago, gigantopithecus said:

I think there's a lot of factors going against current bgs success w the gp:

 

• Bgs are historically fandom-driven and their fanbases are majority female. More women/girls are inclined to stan ggs these days which means less are gravitating towards bgs. Without a strong domestic fandom to push the song up a chart, the gp are less likely to hear it and latch on

 

• 3rd gen bgs are still going strong which makes it harder for 4th gen bgs to stand out against them. The gp have always been less likely to take to a new bg than ggs so if they already have a few older bgs they're more comfortable with, they'll just stick to them. The 3 highest charting bgs in Korea this year are all 3rd gen, with the highest song being Exo's song from 2013. BTS is so huge, they eclipse everyone which also impacts all bgs including 3rd gen ones

 

• 4th gen bg strategy is heavily fandom-focused and is mainly just built to capture and keep fans rather than to get casual/non fans to tune in. The songs and content often aren't appealing to nonfans which makes it harder for them to capture the gp through variety/other content and for their song to click for people w no connection to the group. Outside of ZB1 and Enhypen, there hasn't been a 4th gen bg I've heard who has multiple title tracks I feel inclined to listen to multiple times personally

 

• Stigma against bgs is real and not in the stupid bgs vs ggs wars KTRL have way, but bc of homophobia and sexism.
  • Sexism: interests/media/artists that appeal to young women are often looked down upon and viewed as inferior. Bgs are viewed as inferior as they're seen as shallow entertainment for teen girls. This is also why you'll see fans of bgs w bad music being accused of only liking them bc they're hot while fans of ggs w bad music are accused of success stanning or just having bad music taste.
  • Homophobia: straight men are adverse to bg music bc they see it as gay to listen to a group of attractive guys w majority-female fanbase. This viewpoint is also partially due to the sexist believe that the appeal of these groups must be shallow and based on their attractiveness. They believe people can't like bgs for music so they must like them for their looks. A women enjoying gg music doesn't come w the same implication so both genders feel comfortable listening to ggs. This opens ggs up to a wider audience and more people are willing to listen to their music and consume their content

Last thing but I also think a contributing factor is just the natural behavior of gg and bg stans. I feel like more gg stans are likely to be a casual fan of many other ggs and often listen to their music. Bg stans usually just stan one bg, maybe 2 or 3, but aren't as inclined to listen to other bgs the way gg stans listen to other groups. I've also noticed a trend of kpop fans stanning one bg very intensely while casually liking multiple ggs. So even outside of the Korean gp, ggs are more likely to gets streams from both gg and bgs fans

[motherpills]

2 hours ago, illia said:

@KTRL 

 

 

The fact is the music just isn't good lol. they could have gotten away with the concept changes if the music quality was good. people always want itzy to go back to doing teen crush or whatever concept, because they associate that concept with the last time they had good music. it's really that simple. at least this was good:

 

 

[smates]

The quality of 4th-generation boy groups is certainly one of the reasons for their terrible charting but things weren't looking good for boy groups way before that. In this video, from April 2019 to April 2022, it's literally only BTS.  

 

2023 actually changed things up a bit, because at one point the Circle Chart looked like this 

 

[hallucinate]

there are definitely some valid criticisms regarding itzy but however the hate they get is too much honestly, they’ve been the punching bag of kpop stans since sneakers

i just don’t understand people on social media constantly bringing up how “they fell off” like we get it damn

[motherpills]

On 12/16/2023 at 6:09 PM, illia said:

How did this

 

 

turn into this!?

 

coke + meth

[armink]

 

This song makes me a little emotional ngl, f(x) and specifically Amber were my gateway into kpop and hearing her sound so amazing on this track makes me really nostalgic/makes me want an f(x) reunion even more 

[Cheers]

 

[EndofASadMovie]

Come through vocals 

[hallucinate]

[New Edition]

 

It's true.

 

K-POP fans are so pathetically competitive and live vicariously through their faves.

 

The only reason why ATTRAKT has ANY support among K-POP fans in the West especially is because of jealousy towards Cupid's success.