fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[Sheep]

6 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

I won't speak on the first paragraph, cause I have never followed Starship's acts stats. Especially in previous Melon's reforms. 

 

But, about the second one, for me It just might mean they have casual interest that is not translating into actual hardcore fandom support. I have the impression IVE has a good fandom, but they aren't the priority of the majority of their fandom, you know? Something like being the 2nd to 4th favorite from multifans. Which happens to some acts. 

It doesn't necessarily prove their digital stats are a fraud. 

 

If IVE were on the level of NewJeans or aespa their careers would look similar to the other 2 outside of a few of hit singles. It doesn't. I agree that they don't have a solid base which is why they'll fall off the second the hits stop coming. The T-ARA comparison makes itself, their fans behave in exactly the same way too. For those of us who grew up with gen 2 it's like watching history repeat bar for bar except this time the sajaegi label is propping it up.

Edited October 6, 2023 by Century

[DelRey]

NCT haters keeps coming for them every damn year but they still are SM priority over everyone in that company. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Odette Violet]

Just now, IvyTower said:

NewJennies are the SNSD of this generation. Aespa has the biggest 4th gen hit but it is a little overshadowed given the fact it was released in a pandemic   The biggest hurdle they have right now is internal competition within the fandom as winter and Karina fans compete due to SM’s poor management of individual activities. Aespa has been highly sabotaged. Starship is genius with how they managed to make SISTAR rise using alternative  methods … but it only worked with them and IVE because they already had the it factor and public friendly music. Don’t underestimate older Korean’s love for disco. NMIXX is the biggest tragedy given how incredibly talented they are; they still have one more comeback to get their Gee like SNSD did. 
 

 

They're barely 2 year old group yet 

 

 

a Reminder that SNSD have two mega IT Girls, outselling their male peers whilst serving longevity etc. Let's not set up those girls just bc they have the most hype right now

 

[Rhyme]

1 minute ago, DelRey said:

NCT haters keeps coming for them every damn year but they still are SM priority over everyone in that company. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I bought a rice cooker and it took 10 repairs for it to start cooking rice, I'd use that rice cooker every day.

[bunnyeyes]

3 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

They're barely 2 year old group yet 

 

 

a Reminder that SNSD have two mega IT Girls, outselling their male peers whilst serving longevity etc. Let's not set up those girls just bc they have the most hype right now

 

They already have more hits than most second generation girlies though  let’s not pretend the gp aren’t success stans.

 

Also more hits than my aespa girlies sadly but it’s not a competition to me  

Edited October 6, 2023 by IvyTower

[Pluto6]

3 minutes ago, rzal said:

In the real world Stray Kids' latest Korean song has over 40m more streams than Spicy despite being released a month later

Exactly! These people always discredit SKZ, while they are creaming their pants over aespa selling out theaters when SKZ are already stadium level   Like I like aespa (mostly a Giselle solo stan tbh), but their stans keep setting them upThey constantly claim that SKZ are unknown in their country, but they just sold out and about to perform 2 dates at Gocheok Sky Dome as well, which is the biggest dome in KOREA that only very few acts has ever done. 

[Odette Violet]

2 minutes ago, IvyTower said:

They already have more hits than most second generation girlies though  let’s not pretend the gp aren’t success stans 

 

 

It's giving Dua Lipa, Billie and Olivia has more streams than like Beyonce, Madonna, Maria Carey etc.

 

 

SNSD weren't even the group who had the most #1 digital hits 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Odette Violet

[Sheep]

The discussion was originally about impact and cultural significance. aespa has several high profile copycats and the groups that don't straight up steal their concepts are starting to show signs of influence.

 

SNSD immediately changed the ideal size of a girl group and the way that a girl group cycles through concepts, as well as MASSIVELY stepped up the expectations for talent. Nobody ever said aespa(or newjeans so far) are as big as SNSD was at their peak, that would be lunacy. What aespa and SNSD share in common is shifting trends and expectations.

Edited October 6, 2023 by Century

[Pluto6]

Giselle come join Stray Kids and leave SM +  we have already seen how you shine among bg members   SKZ doesn't have a center, but you could be the center if you join 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Pluto2022

[Mitsuki]

6 minutes ago, Century said:

If IVE were on the level of NewJeans or aespa their careers would look similar to the other 2 outside of a few of hit singles. It doesn't. I agree that they don't have a solid base which is why they'll fall off the second the hits stop coming. The T-ARA comparison makes itself, their fans behave in exactly the same way too.

Starship needs to treat them right and keeping giving them a good musical direction that resonates with their audience until they are able to build this solid base with time. 

I don't know If  'Either Way' and 'Off The Record' are what people want from them as title tracks. I'm not their audience, so... 

 

[Odette Violet]

NJ aren't even touching BP yet let alone SNSD who outlasted most of their peers and are still celebrated/topic of discussion up until this day

 

 

Maybe stans should wait before giving them those titles/comparisons that can be change sooner or later

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Odette Violet

[bunnyeyes]

2 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

It's giving Dua Lipa, Billie and Olivia has more streams than like Beyonce, Madonna, Maria Carey etc.

 

 

SNSD weren't even the group who had the most #1 digital hits 

 

 

You say they’re barely a year old group but SNSD became the nation’s girl group in a year and five months, so really only a couple of months difference to the start of soshi’s peak. I’m not talking about cultural impact though just status as number one for their generation in the eyes of the gp. I didn’t like any of the songs on get up but I can recognize the general public loves them.

[Adama]

You will think IVE aren’t getting any streams, sales or weren’t about to performs on their two sold out shows on Jamsil stadium tmrw, which is the SAME EXACT venue Aespa did this summer 

[bunnyeyes]

6 minutes ago, Century said:

The discussion was originally about impact and cultural significance. aespa has several high profile copycats and the groups that don't straight up steal their concepts are starting to show signs of influence.

 

SNSD immediately changed the ideal size of a girl group and the way that a girl group cycles through concepts, as well as MASSIVELY stepped up the expectations for talent. Nobody ever said aespa(or newjeans so far) are as big as SNSD was at their peak, that would be lunacy.

Now I’m not trying to spar because I love aespa but I recognize following the change of their project’s concept in 2018, SM took part of loona’s concept after helping and studying them and mixed it to try create their version of a YG girl group. They obviously put their own spin and branched out from that beginning but I don’t think total originality really exists too much in later generations inevitably.

[Mitsuki]

4 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

NJ aren't even touching BP yet let alone SNSD who outlasted most of their peers and are still celebrated/topic of discussion up until this day

 

 

Maybe stans should wait before giving them those titles that can be change sooner or later

 

No NewJeans stan here said they have a legacy close to BLACKPINK/SNSD at the moment. The user who gave this opinion isn't a Tokki (as far as I know) 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Mitsuki

[Odette Violet]

7 minutes ago, IvyTower said:

You say they’re barely a year old group but SNSD became the nation’s girl group in a year and five months, so really only a couple of months difference to the start of soshi’s peak. I’m not talking about cultural impact though just status as number one for their generation in the eyes of the gp. I didn’t like any of the songs on get up but I can recognize the general public loves them.

You cannot compare two different generations. Also the GP loves groups that are trendy

 

 

Being loved by the GP and cultural impact aren't mutually exclusive 

 

 

None of the NewJennies are touching Miss Strawberry yet and SNSD has already Yoona/Taeyeon sweeping the nation

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Odette Violet

[Odette Violet]

1 minute ago, Mitsuki said:

No NewJeans stan here said they have a legacy close to BLACKPINK/SNSD at the moment. The user who gave this opinion isn't a Tokki (as far as I know) 

 

I'm sorry but ---

 

[Pluto6]

We truly stan a group that is popular in the real world! 

 

[Mitsuki]

Just now, Odette Violet said:

I'm sorry but ---

 

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[Cheers]

1 minute ago, Pluto2022 said:

We truly stan a group that is popular in the real world! 

 

They need to get on stage no shoes, no shirt..  

 

[DelRey]

Not people downgrading IVE success because they aren't #1 with those slow songs when they  have like 5 songs charting in Melon atm  

 

They also have the biggest 4gen It Girl atm, several hits and great sales. 

[Dialamba]

2 hours ago, katyberry said:

I thought past hits didn't matter when talking about current underperformances.  At least that's what ktrl said last year

Considering they have a 2022  song still charting at 11, their underperforming song rising  at 12, and another one in the top 30 I don’t think it’s the same case as pulling numbers from 2021 

[bunnyeyes]

6 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

No NewJeans stan here said they have a legacy close to BLACKPINK/SNSD at the moment. The user who gave this opinion isn't a Tokki (as far as I know) 

 

I’m not saying their legacy is anywhere close to BP or SNSD, I’m just stating the obvious that they’re clearly the top girl group and front runner in their generation. Though frankly I find rankings don’t really matter and aren’t as far apart or even relevant for this generation. There’s room for all groups as long as we get bops. Newjeans aespa IVE and LSRFM will continue to get daily streams from me and my coins for concert tickets regardless of what they rank on arbitrary charts.

Edited October 6, 2023 by IvyTower

[Odette Violet]

Just now, Mitsuki said:

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leg·a·cy

 

the long-lasting impact of particular events, actions, etc. that took place in the past, or of a person’s life.

 

As what I'd said. Let's give those girls some more years to prove themselves and not let our feelings/vibes dictates everything. 

 

 

 

[Sheep]

7 minutes ago, IvyTower said:

Now I’m not trying to spar because I love aespa but I recognize following the change of their project’s concept in 2018, SM took part of loona’s concept after helping and studying them and mixed it to try create their version of a YG girl group. They obviously put their own spin and branched out from that beginning but I don’t think total originality really exists too much in later generations inevitably.

I don't agree that loona and YG were aespa's influences at ALL but I see your point about originality. Even HOT was taking different aspects of pop music around the world to inform their output. I think there's still value to being the person who sets the trend or packages their influences up in a novel way though.