fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[Mitsuki]

Just now, Zack said:

The way SM snatched these two by sliding into their Instagram DMs is kinda wild (and lucky!) 

 

Imagine If Karina didn't have an instagram. 4th gen would not be the same 

[BigBangStan]

8 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

5th gen is kinda a flop tbh. Like all the groups that had debuted this year hasn’t really made as much noise compared to the rookies that debuted last year

Isn't that how all generations begin? People used to say the same thing about the 4th generation  

[Sheep]

I don't see it for 5th gen. Generation lines used to be defined by the scale the agencies were operating at and the international opportunities afforded to idols. The needle hasn't moved enough to start calling it a whole new generation. 

[Pluto6]

6 minutes ago, BigBangStan said:

Isn't that how all generations begin? People used to say the same thing about the 4th generation  

It has nothing to do with generation itself, but more so to do with the groups debuting this year.

NewJeans, LE SSERAFIM, IVE, NMIXX, Kep1er who are also technically still rookies all made more noise last year compared to this years rookies. 
 

Edited September 11, 2023 by Pluto2022

[BigBangStan]

4 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

It has nothing to do with generation, but more so to with the groups debuting this year.

NewJeans, LE SSERAFIM, IVE, NMIXX, Kep1er who are also technically still rookies all made more noise last year compared to this years rookies. 

We only have Zerobaseone, Boynextdoor, and Riize this year, and bgs in general don't make much noise compared to ggs.

Edited September 11, 2023 by BigBangStan

[Pluto6]

1 minute ago, BigBangStan said:

We only have Zerobaseone, Boynextdoor, and Riize this year, and bgs in general don't make much noise compared to ggs.

Then why did the ZB1 stans tell me that ZB1 was gonna end everyone especially my faves! 

[Pluto6]

17 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

Your faves also debuted as flops and they allegedly started 4th gen. The streets say they are popular now

 

Thank god IZ*ONE and GIDLE were there as well to not embarrass 4th gen like that  

[IAmJustAKnee]

3 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

TXT is more of a sissy group vs ENHYPEN is more masc and Sunoo

 

Sissy groups only do well in Asia 

 

This makes me curious to ask, do you think BTS had a mix of both and thus were able to succeed? I'd argue they didn't come off as "masc" when they started gaining popularity and promoting in the US in like 2016-2018

[Mitsuki]

Just now, Century said:

I don't see it for 5th gen. Generation lines used to be defined by the scale the agencies were operating at and the international opportunities afforded to idols. The needle hasn't moved enough to start calling it a whole new generation. 

I think what used to define a generation (at least from the 1st to 2nd and the 2nd to 3rd) was (correct me If I'm wrong) when the previous generation's groups were slowly declining, disbanding or starting military service and a new wave of groups were starting to ascend.

 

But since 3rd gen, groups are not showing any sign to settle down, even when they peak in Korea. So the media had to "forcely" start 4th gen, just like It's "forcely" starting 5th gen now. The older successful 4th gen groups (skz and gidle) aren't not showing signs to decline, let alone the newer ones. 

[Sorecer]

Back on melon 

 

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[Asscatchem]

18 minutes ago, BigBangStan said:

Isn't that how all generations begin? People used to say the same thing about the 4th generation  

twice came out swinging picking up where snsd left off 

[Odette Violet]

Oh she's holding 

 

 

[kendoll2001]

If 4th Gen started in 2018 when Stray Kids debuted, and their #1 girl group counter part didn’t debut until 2022 (NewJeans)

 

Means RIIZE will be global leaders come 2028 — and the true 5th Gen #1 GG will debut in 2027!

[Asscatchem]

16 minutes ago, Century said:

I don't see it for 5th gen. Generation lines used to be defined by the scale the agencies were operating at and the international opportunities afforded to idols. The needle hasn't moved enough to start calling it a whole new generation. 

exactly. aespa feels like they just barely started  newjeans is literally a 1 year old gen4 group and we're already in gen5? these gens are all marketing terms anyway to separate competition

[Pluto6]

1 minute ago, kendoll2001 said:

If 4th Gen started in 2018 when Stray Kids debuted, and their #1 girl group counter part didn’t debut until 2022 (NewJeans)

 

Means RIIZE will be global leaders come 2028 — and the true 5th Gen #1 GG will debut in 2027!

Wait you’re onto something cause BTS debuted around the start of 3rd gen while BP debuted around the end of 3rd gen 

[Mitsuki]

7 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

Thank god IZ*ONE and GIDLE were there as well to not embarrass 4th gen like that  

To be fair, so far, only boygroups from big/mid-tier companies and survival show have debuted. The girlgroups are all from very small companies. 

 

And boygroups are natural slowburners, they peak after years, not during their debut or rookie years. Because their popularity comes mostly from a fanbase (even when they have a hit, It's to build a fanbase up). It takes time to stabilize one. 

[Sheep]

17 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

I think what used to define a generation (at least from the 1st to 2nd and the 2nd to 3rd) was (correct me If I'm wrong) when the previous generation's groups were slowly declining, disbanding or starting military service and a new wave of groups were starting to ascend.

 

But since 3rd gen, groups are not showing any sign to settle down, even when they peak in Korea. So the media had to "forcely" start 4th gen, just like It's "forcely" starting 5th gen now. The older successful 4th gen groups (skz and gidle) aren't not showing signs to decline, let alone the newer ones. 

None of the 2nd gen representative acts showed any sign of decline when 3rd Gen rolled around. You could easily say the same about 3 -> 4 with literally all of the big 3rd gen heavy hitters except for EXO peaking after 4th gen debuts.

 

I think a lot of how you define generations comes from when you got into kpop. Before the agencies co-opted the nomenclature it was something knetz were using to distinguish modern, international focused groups like SNSD and DBSK from 1st gen upstarts. 3rd gen groups were able to leverage the social media platform dominance and YouTube relevancy of kpop from day 1. Gen 4 has enormous investment and top groups are global phenoms from day one. I don't see any distinction in 4th to 5th Gen from resources to idol age to concepts it's all the same so far.

Edited September 11, 2023 by Century

[DelRey]

Million Sellers, I hope their hanteo/circle numbers match

 

 

[BellKat]

5 hours ago, BigBangStan said:

 

Godkook is such an icon 

[hallucinate]

[Witnessed ET]

Just now, hallucinate said:

Will they ever get a huge #1 smash or will they keep being in this Demi lovato category with moderate hits every now and then

[Mitsuki]

13 minutes ago, Century said:

None of the 2nd gen representative acts showed any sign of decline when 3rd Gen rolled around. You could easily say the same about 3 -> 4 

 

I think a lot of how you define generations comes from when you got into kpop. Before the agencies co-opted the nomenclature it was something knetz were using to distinguish modern, international focused groups like SNSD and DBSK from 1st gen upstarts. 

2nd to 3rd seem kinda weird to me, cause people overall consider EXO from 3rd, even though they debuted in 2012, but some other groups from the same year are considered 2nd gen. 2013 was such an empty year for remarkable debuts except for BTS. So I'd say mid 2013 when Growl happened to 2014 was really when It started feeling like 3rd. And in 2014 most 2nd gen groups were already slowing down, including most of the representative ones. 

Edited September 11, 2023 by Mitsuki

[Asscatchem]

gen 1 - y2k

gen 2 - renaissance

gen 3 - instagram, youtube, great gowns beautiful gowns, social media

gen 4 - spotify, tiktok, lore, pure gen z

gen 5? - were still in the tiktok era there's nothing substantially redefining

Edited September 11, 2023 by Asscatchem

[Sheep]

11 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

2nd to 3rd seem kinda weird to me, cause people overall consider EXO from 3rd, even though they debuted in 2012, but some other groups from the same year are considered 2nd gen. 2013 was such an empty year for remarkable debuts except for BTS. So I'd say mid 2013 when Growl happened to 2014 was really when It starting feeling like 3rd. And in 2014 most 2nd gen groups were already slowing down, including most of the representative ones. 

2014 had TVX2 sell almost 1m albums and do 600k in tour attendance + JYJ was actually huge both as a group and as soloists in the early 10s.  SNSD had yet to  embark on their biggest tour and 2015 would bring Lion Heart giving them another defining hit + Taeyeon giving the entire group a 2nd wind as soloists. Big Bang's obvious peak was MADE which was a 2015-6/7 era. Super Junior was in their flop military era but would become huge again the following year(unfortunately). 2NE1 and T-ara were the only real notable declines but they were both still huge at the time and 2NE1 had one of the biggest tours ever for a GG at the time in 2014.

 

Saying 2nd gen was already slowing down in 2014 is a bold claim when GD or IU could release fart noises and break charts even in 2023 almost 10 years removed from then.

Edited September 11, 2023 by Century

[hallucinate]

18 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said:

Will they ever get a huge #1 smash or will they keep being in this Demi lovato category with moderate hits every now and then

it’s very hard for GGs from small companies to get huge hits so idk

Edited September 11, 2023 by hallucinate