Da Vinci Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 I still consider "5th gen" groups 4th gen, and what about it? 2
Selenasworld Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 30 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: The way you just said all these things about bgs and then you went on to praise NJ Where is the self awareness? Can you stop? Is so clear you aren't just advocating just for SKZ but the whole boy group universe, stop being annoying
Vrx. Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 1 hour ago, levi_valvi said: @Vrx. been waiting years for ladies code stanning session and finally having it. Happy for oomfie I have. Finally some talk about real TALENT and not twinks seizing on stage 1
Sheep Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Asscatchem said: newjeans topping billboard and theyre just getting started.. in hindsight we dont talk about how badly managed born pink was. yeah we can blame the price but can we really? yg had years to prepare only to be outsold by twice and still had to pull every trick in the book to scrape #1 Born Pink's problem is that they disappeared for 2 years but then came back with one of the worst full albums from a top GG of all time. You can't follow up global a-list features and guest writers/producers with more generic Teddy scraps. YG as a company is in shambles. In the time since The Album, Twix had massively improved the quality of their releases and a whole gaggle of other really interesting and popular GGs debuted. What worked for them pre-TA 4+ years ago isn't going to work in the present. Edited July 28, 2023 by Century
Selenasworld Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) @Pluto2022i wonder what your top of boygroups top since to you love making tops of everything, I wonder if you'll put SKZ higher than OOO, seventeen, and ATEEZ Edited July 28, 2023 by Selenasworld
TheCal Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Da Vinci said: I still consider "5th gen" groups 4th gen, and what about it? As you should
WeFoundWill Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Asscatchem said: newjeans topping billboard and theyre just getting started.. in hindsight we dont talk about how badly managed born pink was. yeah we can blame the price but can we really? yg had years to prepare only to be outsold by twice and still had to pull every trick in the book to scrape #1 We can clearly blame the prices. You can buy 3 Twice albums for the price of one BP album. The streaming unites were good. However compared to the absolute massive slayage and arguably best kpop roll out of all time that was The Album, Born Pink is NOTHING. Not even mentioning the level of subpar that album is. 2
flashfox Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 SM groups ranking (excluding 1st gen) 1. snsd 2. exo 3. red velvet 4. shinee 5. aespa 5. nct 6. super junior 7. tvxq thots
Witnessed ET Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 God the way she MOVES and that presence also mother with her viral fancam 2
discreetinside Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 20 minutes ago, Century said: NJ are at or near #1 in every metric except touring. IVE are not above aespa in physicals, not above griddle in digitals, and not above Shitzy in touring LSRF are not as big as Shitzy yet who have a very stable base and can tour the world Nstinxx is enormously bigger than StayC The top 4-5 is very close rn other than NJ having the obvious lead and a smash hit from any of them could make them #1(they've all been the #1 4th gen GG at one point or another previously) so the (Gap)s are incredulous. It's hard to compare because most groups other than NJ are huge in one area and lacking in others. aespa destroys everybody in physicals and touring but do not exist on streaming. Griddle and Ive bag hit after hit but are reliant on the gp. LSRF does well all around but isn't on top in any metric. Itzy started out huge but has since become a reliably upper mid-tier group. Well yeah you have a point it's kinda hard to compare them other than NJ who's obviously being front by miles. I'm ranking IVE on the distant 2nd mainly based on their past title tracks longevity on the chart. I believe both Love Dive and After Like are still on Melon top 30 daily while Tomboy and Nxde are out of top 50, and Eleven was still charting and became one of the longest charting for debut song.
WeFoundWill Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Century said: Born Pink's problem is that they disappeared for 2 years but then came back with one of the worst full albums from a top GG of all time. You can't follow up global a-list features and guest writers/producers with more generic Teddy scraps. YG as a company is in shambles. (almost) not one lie. I disagree with the Teddy argument, always have always will. The problem of Born Pink is not the first 3 tracks aka the Black Label productions. Actually a career highlight. What eats ASS is the bargain bin of western demos that follows after (aside from The Happiest Girl)
illia Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, Da Vinci said: I still consider "5th gen" groups 4th gen, and what about it? Give yourself a cookie I guess
spicyaegha Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Just now, WeFoundWill said: (almost) not one lie. I disagree with the Teddy argument, always have always will. The problem of Born Pink is not the first 3 tracks aka the Black Label productions. Actually a career highlight. What eats ASS is the bargain bin of western demos that follows after (aside from The Happiest Girl) Tally is a bop whut 1
WeFoundWill Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 I‘m sorry but yall would probably adore a top to bottom Blackpink Teddy album a la MADE. But that f*g is lowkey a lazy retired c*nt. 2
illia Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 1 minute ago, WeFoundWill said: But that f*g is lowkey a lazy retired c*nt. Wsadsfsdfsdfsgdfgsg lmaooooo He looks as straight as a stick to me
spicyaegha Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 The Born Pink slander is just Tally, Hard to Love, Typa girl, Shut down>>>> the rest are flops tho ngl success wise the issue was lack of momentum… you can’t come out of 2 year hibernation that way. And Pink Venom clicked with nobody not even SEA where bp is strongest in… even Shut Down outcharted everywhere
Pluto6 Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said: One thing that is so cringe is that when these random users try to divide bgs and ggs in separate categories and generalize based on gender like there are bgs that are putting out good music and the bgs that are not. Talented and untalented bgs. Same thing with ggs. even in the SAME GROUP, there are talented AND untalented members. i swear y’all can just either do your research on every group before spouting whatever ignorant nonsense, or don’t speak on them AT ALL to begin with. Stop making a fool out of yourselves. yours truly, XOXO ps. Stop piling on @Pluto2022sis because he’s not wrong most times. It's the way they just casually attack our bg faves unprovoked, even though they know NOTHING about them or their talents, and then when we respond and educate them, they wanna cry Like how can you generalize and claim that none of the 4th gen bgs have outstanding idols, calling the all faceless and talentless etc., but then in the same sentence proceed to act like NJ are this group with revolutionary members as if the members are just as distinctive as the BP members. Like girl, they are just as faceless as the rest, give it up I feel us people who stan both bgs and ggs can see things a little more objective compared to people who only stan ggs or bgs. 23 minutes ago, Selenasworld said: Can you stop? Is so clear you aren't just advocating just for SKZ but the whole boy group universe, stop being annoying If anyone is annoying it's you who constantly tries to insert himself in my discussion. Like what the hell is wrong with you, I'm literally just responding to a person who just generalized and dragged all 4th gen bgs especially my faves, so i was just trying to educate and humble him? What is your obsession with me lately? At least Miss 100 Years aka the fossil dinosaur and I have been fighting a lot in here and he has at least a reason to come for me, since I skull drag him consistently, but what is your excuse? Why does my presence bother you this much? 20 minutes ago, Selenasworld said: @Pluto2022i wonder what your top of boygroups top since to you love making tops of everything, I wonder if you'll put SKZ higher than OOO, seventeen, and ATEEZ Huh? Again your obsession is showing, what is your problem? Btw I don't understand this sentence Edited July 28, 2023 by Pluto2022
WeFoundWill Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Just now, spicyaegha said: Tally is a bop whut If we ignore what Tally stands for in regards to BP and GGs in general with excessive swearing and an extremely direct feminist massage for a "kpop song" (which it isnt) sonically there isnt really anything there besides bottom of the barrel Mainstream Top 40. We know the songs means more than alot them, especially as the most antagonist kpop artist ever. But let‘s be forreal…It‘s not really a 10/10
lgaga1fan Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Kinda crazy to think that NCT 127 was getting Ariana Grande's producers the same year TUN came out while aespa is getting shafted with RAYE demos and performing much higher than 127 ever was during that time of their western push 1
WeFoundWill Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flomik said: Wsadsfsdfsdfsgdfgsg lmaooooo He looks as straight as a stick to me could a straight man produce AIIYL? I dont think.
Dialamba Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) Announcing a world tour at the same time as an album isn’t the brightest idea. Yeah the album was expensive but only in the US. In Europe the prices are the same as TA. The era was rushed, and the hype tone it down with pink venom. No collabs and the Korea promo was lackluster. Despite pulling bigger numbers streaming wise. It didn’t elevate their status. And it’s worse because NJ is coming hard. YG will pay for not pushing BP because they thought they would be the #1 GG for the next decade. If BP disband, YG is truly over. IVE with 4M albums sold, platinum certification in japan, 100 weeks spent on melon top 10, their first fan concert welcomed 97k fans, first 4th gen gg to chart on Spotify US. But yeah aespa is on the same level because Tokyo dome !!! Edited July 28, 2023 by Dialamba 2
lgaga1fan Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, flashfox said: SM groups ranking (excluding 1st gen) 1. snsd 2. exo 3. red velvet 4. shinee 5. aespa 5. nct 6. super junior 7. tvxq thots in what universe is tvxq under suju and nct and exo be serious i even say this as a semi shittizen and exo-L
illia Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 Born Pink album is a strong 4/10, but if the absolute atrocity that is Typa Shіt was removed from the album and deleted from all databases and Teddy's shelves forever, it would be at least 6/10
ItsJustMe. Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) the way they had the nerve to put a the album leftover and rosé leftover (htl is nice but still) on born pink a literal nightmare! and when those basic shut down teaser pics of the white garage came out and we were so sure that the garage door would open to some amazing outdoor set one year later it's really clear how much YG ****** up and how little money they spent like the VMA performance will forever be iconic and I love it to death but it was a cheap performance... when we were so sure that "yg would go all out for it as they always do" Edited July 28, 2023 by ItsJustMe.
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