youresotoxic Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Cheers said: Where are Bareback Girls? They signed with Warner and no teaser no nothing. Kinda wanna see if they’ll release a bop or not. pretty much the only thing we've gotten from them so far
Adama Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 In another news only 3 days left for him to snatch the #1 and get some RAK before NJ comeback !
OrgVisual Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 8 minutes ago, harrythevifan said: Maybe. But domestically you got to think after reunification happens, they'll get pushed down the list by the impending flood of northern Korean girl groups serving them traditional values. I heard Red Velvet is the nation's girlgroup in the North so there might be a chance their legacy will outlast everyone else then 2
Mitsuki Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Century said: Kpop was doing well in pnysicals and touring in China before EXO ever debuted. SM as a company was founded on the idea of exporting Korean media globally, the other members of the big 4 were created later with the same mission. Millions of dollars were generated in the Chinese market before EXO. Millions of dollars were generated in Japan before TVXQ. Millions of dollars were generated in the US before BTS. All of these examples also followed after years of kpop companies promoting and building connections in those markets. Their success is monumental but it's never been by accident or by natural demand. China in particular though was completely cracked open as a market before EXO with groups like T-ARA and BB outselling domestic acts with their monster hits. Cbars are all them but I don't think that's a positive legacy. If I explain why I disagree BTS' international demand wasn't natural I will write a big essay again and I'm lazy. But I will try to sum up. Their promotions, marketing tactics and distribution across the Globe started after the demand existed, they weren't reaching for it as much as SM and JYP. I think they didn't even had the money for such. They were debuting on Top 30 of Billboard 200 with digital and streams only in 2016 when their only promotion was touring (for fans that already existed). Anyway, I am aware 2nd gen acts were popular with the general public in China. That's why I mentioned 38 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: About TVXQ, in my opinion, their impact on Japan is similar to EXO in China when It comes to build dedicated rabbit fans in a market. They weren't the first, but took to another level I'm giving the credits to EXO for what they deserve, their impact on K-pop's fandom culture in general.
OrgVisual Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, xrosup said: I'm screaming at that one account voting for NMIXX 1 million times Finally we got the culprit for NMIXX's sales 1 vote = 1 sale 1
Mitsuki Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, xrosup said: I'm screaming at that one account voting for NMIXX 1 million times Boygroups already in the crime scene of fraud Legends They are necessary
Sheep Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, youresotoxic said: not the disrespect towards EXO and BoA BoA was a trailblazer but there's some revisionist history at play when people forget to mention that SM invested $2m USD on specialized speech, vocal, and dance lessons just for her Japanese debut to ensure she would be successful before we even talk about promotional budgets or her already monstrous Korean debut. These "breakthrough" successes are unfathomably large and expensive projects that even the Korean government has bankrolled in part at times. 90%+ of the english kpop discourse not checking or coming from Korean media sources combined with any music fanbase's tendency to mythologize artists creates a very distorted version of events. 18 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: If I explain why I disagree BTS' international demand wasn't natural I will write a big essay again and I'm lazy. But I will try to sum up. Their promotions, marketing tactics and distribution across the Globe started after the demand existed, Demand that was fought for tooth and nail by acts like BoA, Rain, SNSD, WG, 2NE1, BB, EXO, etc. There's no BTS demand without the millions and millions of dollars of investment that went into the market before them. Every subsequent US debut was bigger and more long-lasting than the last, the BTS succeeded where others failed narrative was invented by hybe pr. 18 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: Anyway, I am aware 2nd gen acts were popular with the general public in China. That's why I mentioned So were 1st gen acts, just like how there was a solid decade of progress before BTS in the west, there was an even longer climb in China. What I'm trying to get at is that acts like BTS and EXO and even Big Bang are more markers for general trends and industry growth than they are sacred successes to which we owe everything as kpop fans. If it wasn't them the industry would have found others to push. edit: there are exceptions to this though like Gangnam Style coming completely out of nowhere and making massive inroads for kpop without much external force. Also going back to the first time I quoted you, that BTS had a much more successful global push than EXO and pretending that they cannot be compared is unfair. Edited July 19, 2023 by Century 3
jeanie Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 I'm crying the boygroup stans and nmixx stans exposed for fraud that one nmixx fan didn't even try to hide coz what do you mean 1 million votes zeroses need to stop frauding these votes tho
Mitsuki Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Century said: BoA was a trailblazer but there's some revisionist history at play when people forget to mention that SM invested $2m USD on specialized speech, vocal, and dance lessons just for her Japanese debut to ensure she would be successful before we even talk about promotional budgets or her already monstrous Korean debut. These "breakthrough" successes are unfathomably large and expensive projects that even the Korean government has bankrolled in part at times. 90%+ of the english kpop discourse not checking or coming from Korean media sources combined with any music fanbase's tendency to mythologize artists creates a very distorted version of events. Demand that was fought for tooth and nail by acts like BoA, Rain, SNSD, WG, 2NE1, BB, EXO, etc. There's no BTS demand without the millions and millions of dollars of investment that went into the market before them. Every subsequent US debut was bigger and more long-lasting than the last, the BTS succeeded where others failed narrative was invented by hybe pr. So were 1st gen acts, just like how there was a solid decade of progress before BTS in the west, there was an even longer climb in China. What I'm trying to get at is that acts like BTS and EXO and even Big Bang are more markers for general trends and industry growth than they are sacred successes to which we owe everything as kpop fans. If it wasn't them the industry would have found others to push. To be honest, going through this logic, we can say the same about the acts you quoted me to say that were predecent setting unlike EXO: SNSD and TVXQ. There's nothing both groups did that wasn't never attempted before. Even though, going through their career paths, they succeed more than the first who did and left an impact. Edited July 19, 2023 by Mitsuki
FACT Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 Someone was right about boygroup or their fans did it for NMIXX Was that @Flomik?
Sheep Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: To be honest, going through this logic, we can say the same about the acts you quoted me to say that were predecent setting unlike EXO: SNSD and TVXQ. There's nothing both groups did that wasn't never attempted before. Even though, going through their career paths, they succeed more than the first and left an impact. Gee was smashing in countries that SM didn't invest a nickel into. TVXQ was very much iterating on BoA's success though so in a way you're right. They just felt like a very special and exceptional success at the time, you had to have been there. Edited July 19, 2023 by Century 2
Mitsuki Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Century said: Gee was smashing in countries that SM didn't invest a nickel into. TVXQ was very much iterating on BoA's success though so in a way you're right. They just felt like a very special and exceptional success at the time, you had to have been there. I'm not doubting It was special, I recognize both groups legacy and importance.
Mitsuki Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 Im thankful SKZ will have a live band for their Lollapalooza set 1
Antisocialites Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 The scenography at the beginning, the cunty choreography, the synchronicity, the outfits, the back-up dancers, the SONG, the bridge, the last chorus… and LUNA!!! one for the ages.
Panda17 Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 Cool With You was produced by Jinsu Park (OMG, COOKIE, AND NEWJEANS) and Frankie Scoca (Super Shy and Newjeans) ASAP and ETA were produced by 250 (Hype Boy, Attention, Hurt, and Ditto) 3
youresotoxic Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) these being released the same summer was perfect I still needed Joy to take the whole bridge of Queendom Edited July 19, 2023 by youresotoxic 2
MingYouToo Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 not snsd still being relevant in 2023 they're just tew big i fear! yoona queen of tv, taeyeon queen of music, hyo:yeon, tiffany queen of musicals 3
sourprint Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 newjeans and olivia rodrigo best gen z music out there ! glad to be a stan as a fellow zoomer 2
Gorjesspazze9 Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Korean Netizens react to SNSD members dominating TV broadcast this week. From Taeyeon, Yuri, Seohyun, Sooyoung and Yoona Nation Girl Group Dominate Netflix, Disney+, & Multiple JBTC tv shows. Who else is doing it like them💁♀️ Edited July 19, 2023 by Gorjesspazze9 5
Gorjesspazze9 Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, MingYouToo said: not snsd still being relevant in 2023 they're just tew big i fear! yoona queen of tv, taeyeon queen of music, hyo:yeon, tiffany queen of musicals They just won’t leave. It’s Sickening. 1
MonsterNavy Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 wait, NMIXX sold a milli now too? kpop sales (esp jyp's) are a joke these days we should stop using album sales as metric for success in 2023 tbh + this 1
MonsterNavy Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 first Lisa's Celine now Jisoo's Cartier jungcock with Jennie's CK Chimminie mouse with Rosé's Tiffany & Co like, there's thousands of luxury brands out there they want everything BLACKPINK has and they're not even trying to hide it
MonsterNavy Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) the BTS draggings in the past few pages all i'm gonna say is BTS didn't pave any kind of way for kpop (maybe for fraudulent sales, streams and peaks on the charts) there's nothing they did that Wonder Girls, SNSD, 2NE1, BoA, Rain, CL, G-Dragon, Bigbang, TVXQ, EXO, PSY & Super Junior haven't and that's on period Edited July 19, 2023 by MonsterNavy
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