fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[harrythevifan]

10 minutes ago, Eternium said:

saying that somehow BB is still bigger, despite less cultural impact and relevance, is even more damn stupid  

Big Bang got Korean males to think CL was hot.  No other pop group has had that sort of jimjones hold on the nation.

 

[lgaga1fan]

4 minutes ago, harrythevifan said:

Big Bang got Korean males to think CL was hot.  No other pop group has had that sort of jimjones hold on the nation.

 

BigBang is one of the only big idol groups that wasn't overtly marketed toward teen girls in and it shows 

[naomi24]

 

 

16 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

EXO had one hit, next.

 

 

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By your definition even CMB and Monster are not hits while they quite literally changed the trajectory of kpop. So yes next.

 

[Born to Run]

1 minute ago, naomi24 said:

while they quite literally changed the trajectory of kpop.

What trajectory 

[Mitsuki]

4 minutes ago, Century said:

I think you misunderstood miss eternium. EXOs peers(svt, BTS) grew to have monster sales too, nobody was selling 3m albums in 2012. They had an early peak but that doesn't make their achievements incomparable to groups who debuted shortly after.

 

EXOs peak was enormous but it wasn't the kind of precedent setting success tvxq or SNSD reached.

I feel that there's a circustance where EXO has a 'peer' - BTS - where their success is more  unprecedented that every act that has ever debuted in K-pop. So next to them, in every generation they debuted in and reaching the same recognition, any act's legacy would seen less impressive with their sales and peak in general. 

 

Their other 'peers' basically benefited more due their active work/freshness from BTS' existence and impact by widen the reach of K-pop globally. Something EXO would also benefit to some extent if they didn't have to start their military service in 2019. 

 

But I disagree EXO's impact wasn't as precedent setting. I think they revived many aspects of fandom culture in general in Korea and took it to another level what impacted their enormous physical sales and set them apart from the rest of the industry. 

[Eternium]

24 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

G Dragon was solo touring the US in arenas the same year BTS were barely beginning to book US tv appearances. No sales states or digital hits can erase the tangible impact BigBang had on Kpop and the global music scene, no matter how you want to try to erase it. 

G-Dragon was struggling to sell out dates in 2017 in the U.S., sis  

 

I’m not denying that BIG BANG had impact, but BoA/TVXQ broke Asia and SNSD broke NA. BIG BANG didn’t have a fraction of the impact that they did  

16 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

Like I don't even stan him or BIGBANG or anything, but let's not deny his impact, he has more impact alone than SNSD!

 

 

The #1 song right now is literally “Super Shy.” Min Heejin only has a career thanks to SNSD. G-Dragon’s impact isn’t a fraction of theirs.

15 minutes ago, harrythevifan said:

Big Bang got Korean males to think CL was hot.  No other pop group has had that sort of jimjones hold on the nation.

 

Stream “Ugly” and repent  

[Adama]

31 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

Circle Year-End:

Growl #13

Overdose #35

Call Me Maybe #26

Love Me Right #49

Monster #57

Kokoflop #82

Love Shot #53

The Eve N/A

 

So yeah, Growl was a hit, then they released a bunch flavor of the week.

 

Huh? Call me baby wasn’t at #7 in gaon year end chart of 2015?

[harrythevifan]

10 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

BigBang is one of the only big idol groups that wasn't overtly marketed toward teen girls in and it shows 

It wasn't by design, they just lucked out on the hep hap music explosion while the other companies kept doing the usual male revues.

 

[Born to Run]

1 minute ago, Eternium said:

Min Heejin only has a career thanks to SNSD.

All these hot takes, and every minute a new nobody is claimed to change K-Pop history. Time to log off! 

 

[dlwlrma]

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BigBang is the biggest act from 2nd gen, peakwise and longevity

and Gdragon alone in Asia > any other 2nd gen idol, female and male

Edited July 18, 2023 by dlwlrma

[Aria0327]

good luck for aespa trying to create impact like their predecessors i guess

 

[Pluto6]

This is honestly tragic, cause how are you selling 4M albums apparently, and yet your title track can't even debut with 1M streams. Y'all dragged NMIXX, but NCT DREAM is even worse cause they sold 4X more

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Pluto2022

[Born to Run]

4 minutes ago, Adama said:

Huh? Call me baby wasn’t at #7 in gaon year end chart of 2015?

I actually posted the MelOn year-end chart! In that case, digital sajaegi!!

 

[Mitsuki]

33 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

Circle Year-End:

Growl #13

Overdose #35

Call Me Maybe #26

Love Me Right #49

Monster #57

Kokoflop #82

Love Shot #53

The Eve N/A

 

So yeah, Growl was a hit, then they released a bunch flavor of the week.

 

Did you just dropped the peaks randomly?

 

Ko Ko Bop was #14 on Circle Year-End 

Overdose was #18

Call Me Baby was #7 

Love Me Right was #40

Monster was #60

Love Shot was #65

Growl was #56

There's also Universe at #69

[Mitsuki]

Ko Ko Bop was the most streamed song of Melon in 2017 and Monster was the most streamed song of 2016 back when they dropped the datas in both year-ends. 

EXO-Ls invented boygroups' fandoms aaa

 

[Born to Run]

2 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

Did you just dropped the peaks randomly?

 

Ko Ko Bop was #14 on Circle Year-End 

Overdose was #18

Call Me Baby was #7 

Love Me Right was #40

Monster was #60

Love Shot was #65

Growl was #56

There's also Universe at #69

Ok, they had one hit call me baby, growl OUT!

 

[naomi24]

3 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

What trajectory 

Wtf are you deliberately acting dense now? 

They were THE group in 2015-16. They brought so many fans into kpop with CMB, specially the directionars. The album sales, award voting and organisation, branding and merchandising things beyond light sticks, to setting YouTube records - they were setting precedents for the group's to follow. Their "fandom" culture developed so strong they were competing with gp favorites like big bang for the main awards. 

 

In fact, the bitter rivalry between the exols with the armys was actually something that played a big factor into these huge online voting campaigns that armys held for BTS for their first BBMA fan voting award - their first ever western media coverage win that actually kick-started their career. 

 

I was here for all of this and I have watched all of this history happen. Lmao. I would go as far as to say that without exo to contradict them, there would be no catalyst for BTS to become as big as they are now. So yes they did change the trajectory of kpop in many ways.

[Mitsuki]

Just now, Born to Run said:

Ok, they had one hit call me baby, growl OUT!

 

Call Me Baby is better than Growl so I will take it, I accept it being their hit song 

 

[harrythevifan]

2 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

EXO-Ls invented boygroups' fandoms aaa

 

[Adama]

4 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

This is honestly tragic, cause how are you selling 4M albums apparently, and yet your title track can't even debut with 1M streams. Y'all dragged NMIXX, but NCT DREAM is even worse cause they sold 4X more

 

Bwahahaha these fraud ! 

 

2 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

I actually posted the MelOn year-end chart! In that case, digital sajaegi!!

 

Yeah except EXO was the last SM group to made inside gaon top 10. Since 2015 only  Aespa was able to made the list with NL 

[Sheep]

The sheep revisionist history games only work when you aren't arguing with a fellow sheep sis. 

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

SNSD stans were busy buying albums instead of investing money in domestic digitals.

So were VIPs bulk buying digitals or were the digitals free? Make up your mind. Of course the real answer is neither because BB's base with the typical idol group audience(teenage girls) is only one small part of the their fanbase. Make no mistakes that's still the demo that buys albums and collaborates to dominate charts today, regular people with non-idol hobbies aren't buying CDs or streaming at off-peak hours to improve RT charts then or now. The stats were even more skewed toward older males before their multiple several years long hiatuses but here's some light reading for you on this topic.

https://pannkpop.com/gender-ratio-of-people-listening-to-bigbangs-new-song/

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

You’re listing Seo Taiji and The Boys’s impact now, sis.

Seo Taiji never signed with Live Nation or CAA, let alone the others. He also never promoted solo until years after The Boys were out of the picture. His career trajectory was more Beyonce leaving the filler behind than it was GD leading both himself and his group to success. Not to mention the fact that BB much more resembles a modern idol group than they did. At the time and now Seo Taiji is seen as a one-off, BB set industry trends.

 

The solo debut smashing and not damaging the group's popularity is the direct reason we have for Taeyeon's run today among many others.

 

There's also the fact that creative control was very closed off to most idols(including BB's early days) until it was shown how profitable media play around GD's involvement in writing/producing music and planning comebacks was, these days its commonplace, even mediocre/bad writers from a group can get credit placement to try and capture some of the respect GD garnered. The supposed artistic integrity of acts like BB was one of the first major differentiators for kpop that incited the hallyu wave's reach past east Asia. The other major global successes post-BB(BTS, BP) abused this strategy to great effect in building their fanbases and creating the narrative that they're superior to more "manufactured" groups.

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

BIG BANG definitely got a big push and they had some success, but they sold half of what SNSD manage a sixth of what TVXQ managed.

The last time Big Bang released an album that wasn't just a compilation of years old songs was 2011, with a mini following in 2012 as their last release that was more than 2 songs at a time. G-Dragon's last solo album was in 2013. His 2017 mini was hardly counted because some other agency obviously bribed charts to pretend USB album sales didn't count either as a physical sale or a digital sale.

Big Bang released 3 albums total and 2 of them were basically compilations. All 3 of those albums were released to a small base and at the all time low of album consumption.

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

2NE1 was hitting higher highs immediately out of the gate

The only metric where 2NE1 passed BB ever was in physicals. BB demolished them in nearly every metric and 2NE1's unprofitability is the main reason they were pushed out of the industry. They had the highest budget the industry had ever seen up to that point for album production, costumes, and music videos to do similar physicals to BB but get left in the dust in touring and digitals. Even today CL and Dara are blowing through enormous budgets to sell less than their gen 2 peers. You're very knowledgeable about kpop but your anti-YG bias has made some blind spots.

https://www.soompi.com/article/363424wpp/2ne1s-200000-outfits-exceed-mv-production-costs

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2022/09/10-of-the-most-expensive-k-pop-mvs

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

G-Dragon definitely had a chance to be something big, but the group wasted it all on partying and drugs.

GD is the highest paid idol-songwriter of all time. He's only responsible for the output of a single group but at one point his earnings were even higher than Teddy despite Teddy also having credits all over GDs discography(this was after Black Pink's come up too), ranking #1 overall for earnings by a writer in 2018(also above names like Kenzie and YYJ).  He wasted nothing and to this day is one of the biggest stars in the global entertainment industry. SM has only produced a handful of major international celebrities ever and they've kicked out half of them and almost lost another one a month ago.  

http://www.yonhapnews.co.kr/bulletin/2018/02/21/0200000000AKR20180221182000005.HTML?input=1195m

 

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

 

And these aren’t accusations. This was all common knowledge we all had and participated in. SM was not manipulating stats, they instead spent their time shooting themselves in the foot and alienating so many major names (Jaejoong, Jessica Jung, Min Heejin). Their poor management is what really shaped K-pop today - and they’re still at it.

Okay then explain SM starting the album sales inflation trend with XOXO in 2013 or the wave of youtube payola that's been going on undisturbed since 2012. I'll wait.

Edited July 18, 2023 by Century

[Born to Run]

1 minute ago, naomi24 said:

Wtf are you deliberately acting dense now? 

They were THE group in 2015-16. They brought so many fans into kpop with CMB, specially the directionars. The album sales, award voting and organisation, branding and merchandising things beyond light sticks, to setting YouTube records - they were setting precedents for the group's to follow. Their "fandom" culture developed so strong they were competing with gp favorites like big bang for the main awards. 

 

In fact, the bitter rivalry between the exols with the armys was actually something that played a big factor into these huge online voting campaigns that armys held for BTS for their first BBMA fan voting award - their first ever western media coverage win that actually kick-started their career. 

 

I was here for all of this and I have watched all of this history happen. Lmao. I would go as far as to say that without exo to contradict them, there would be no catalyst for BTS to become as big as they are now. So yes they did change the trajectory of kpop in many ways.

I didn’t read this at all but I guess you’re saying something like Christina changed the trajectory of pop music by being Britney’s rival. No she didn’t.

 

[Mitsuki]

6 minutes ago, harrythevifan said:

 

Were you an exotic too? 

[lgaga1fan]

The fad off of BTS & EXO is sending a bit but lets stop acting like EXO dind't have any impact and celebrate Jungkook's successful single I fear. He's ending Morgan Wallen AND Taylor Swift what's not to love. 

[Sheep]

21 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

I feel that there's a circustance where EXO has a 'peer' - BTS - where their success is more  unprecedented that every act that has ever debuted in K-pop. So next to them, in every generation they debuted in and reaching the same recognition, any act's legacy would seen less impressive with their sales and peak in general. 

 

Their other 'peers' basically benefited more due their active work/freshness from BTS' existence and impact by widen the reach of K-pop globally. Something EXO would also benefit to some extent if they didn't have to start their military service in 2019. 

 

But I disagree EXO's impact wasn't as precedent setting. I think they revived many aspects of fandom culture in general in Korea and took it to another level what impacted their enormous physical sales and set them apart from the rest of the industry. 

SVT has also been outselling EXO for years. BTS's success is monumental but it isn't incomparable. There are other idol groups in stadiums ww, there are other idol groups topping album charts worldwide, there were global kpop hits before BTS ever debuted, etc. What BTS has that's special is doing all of those at once, something EXO is also being accused of being special for despite being at a much smaller scale.

 

The kpop explosion has been brewing since early 2nd gen and EXO could have been the one to ignite the powder keg but weren't successful at it, they still have one of the most impressive runs for a boy group ever but they aren't even #1 for their gen let alone the 2 generations before that when SM established the modern kpop scene with HOT and then exploded it's international popularity with TVXQ.