fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[Sheep]

Just now, Eternium said:

Everyone faked their digital sales in their third week to secure a triple crown. You could download a song for free and Gaon would count it. YG and Starship would leave songs on there for much longer, which is why you always see second gen stans dragging them for inflating their digital stats.

 

When did you get into K-pop?

No, most of the general public learned K-pop through “Nobody” and “Gee.” GG was a super popular saying. Big Bang had a moment with “Lollipop” because 2NE1 was popular globally, but they didn’t have anything again until like “Fantastic Baby.” They were even struggling to sell like 2NE1  

The stats and demographics speak for themselves. BBs overwhelmingly male and overwhelmingly adult listeners disprove this narrative. They broke the mold for what an idol group sounds like, how they create music, who listens to them, and created opportunities(namely for solos while still actively promoting with the group and for more creative control) for every group that followed. 

 

The business connections they made alone with CAA and Live Nation opened up a whole new frontier for idols. There was chart manipulation that ALL our favs benefitted from in the early gaon era but before and after that BB was still #1.

[Adama]

8 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Everyone faked their digital sales in their third week to secure a triple crown. You could download a song for free and Gaon would count it. YG and Starship would leave songs on there for much longer, which is why you always see second gen stans dragging them for inflating their digital stats.

 

 

It’s kinda funny how you accuse every others companies of manipulation but never mentions SM! If everyone faked their digital sales I can’t imagine what SM used to do back then 

 

And I got Into Kpop during the 3rd gen aka the best one 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Adama

[Mitsuki]

15 minutes ago, Eternium said:

The poster said EXO outsold them by 3x. SNSD debuted in an era where top girl groups struggled to hit 20k regularly. EXO debuted in an era where the top male groups can do upwards of 3M+ per release easily. They weren’t even the most successful male act from SM that generation, granted NCT are a rotation group.

 

And when you include all metrics, SNSD, BoA, TVXQ are still above EXO and always will be (and Aespa will join them soon, too).

 

And BoA is most definitely a Korean legend, too

You are lying here or just completed misinformed about EXO career. They debuted in 2012, not 2022 for their peers be selling +3M during that time. If anything, EXO stopped to be active in 2018 and It was before/during the global breakthrough for K-pop, so they didn't even benefit.

 

During their peak, they used to put 7-5 albums on Top 10 of Circle/Gaon Year-End Chart and their eras used to have a comulative of over 1 million what, prior their debut, didn't happen in 12 years. That's how huge was their dominance for their time.

 

They've received by the Governament Corporation both a commemorative medal in honor of their achievements and a Primer Minister Award for their legacy and service. 

 

While in the 90s and now there's a lot of acts selling millions, they were the first korean act debuted after 2000 to surpass over 10 million album sales through Korea's counting (from 2012 to 2018). 

 

EXO was/are a force on physicals, as mentioned, digital (they've a commulative of over 23 million downloads), touring and international popularity/appeal. All the mentioned acts lack in one or more things in comparison to them. 

[Sheep]

3 minutes ago, Adama said:

It’s kinda funny how you accuse every others companies of manipulation but never mentions SM! If everyone faked their digital sales I can’t imagine what SM used to do back then 

 

And I get Into Kpop during the 3rd gen aka the best one 

3rd gen was the pits but in the early days of kpop LSM was known for keeping 10s of thousands of dollars on his person and in his office for bribery.  There's a reason he tried to get sheep to call him the godfather of kpop. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Century

[Witnessed ET]

Gerr you go gerr

beby beby beby babeh baby gerr

 

[Sheep]

4 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

You are lying here or just completed misinformed about EXO career. They debuted in 2012, not 2022 for their peers be selling +3M during that time. If anything, EXO stopped to be active in 2018 and It was before/during the global breakthrough for K-pop, so they didn't even benefit.

 

During their peak, they used to put 7-5 albums on Top 10 of Circle/Gaon Year-End Chart and their eras used to have a comulative of over 1 million what, prior their debut, didn't happen in 12 years. That's how huge was their dominance for their time.

 

They've received by the Governament Corporation both a commemorative medal in honor of their achievements and a Primer Minister Award for their legacy and service. 

 

While in the 90s and now there's a lot of acts selling millions, they were the first korean act debuted after 2000 to surpass over 10 million album sales through Korea's counting (from 2012 to 2018). 

 

EXO was/are a force on physicals, as mentioned, digital (they've a commulative of over 23 million downloads), touring and international popularity/appeal. All the mentioned acts lack in one or more things in comparison to them. 

I think you misunderstood miss eternium. EXOs peers(svt, BTS) grew to have monster sales too, nobody was selling 3m albums in 2012. They had an early peak but that doesn't make their achievements incomparable to groups who debuted shortly after.

 

EXOs peak was enormous but it wasn't the kind of precedent setting success tvxq or SNSD reached.

Edited July 18, 2023 by Century

[Witnessed ET]

Talking about gers, where are Brebuh Gers

[Witnessed ET]

Also isnt Somi supposed to come back

where are the teasers

[illia]

1 minute ago, Witnessed ET said:

Also isnt Somi supposed to come back

where are the teasers

August

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/jeon-so-mi-gears-august-comeback/

[Witnessed ET]

1 minute ago, Flomik said:

August

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/jeon-so-mi-gears-august-comeback/

Watch her drop one single and dip

 

[Born to Run]

EXO had one semi-hit (“Growl”), move on people, BTS WON!

 

[Magdalene]

I had never heard 2HOT4U before now…. I’m sorry that was one of the worst songs I think I’ve ever heard 

[Eternium]

13 minutes ago, Adama said:

The difference in uls last year between BB and SNSD comeback should have been enough to see who’s obviously the bigger group 

SNSD stans were busy buying albums instead of investing money in domestic digitals.

 

Forever 1 is Girls’ Generation’s fifth album to outsell Big Bang’s best-selling album. And they did it with two versions only.

11 minutes ago, Century said:

The stats and demographics speak for themselves. BBs overwhelmingly male and overwhelmingly adult listeners disprove this narrative. They broke the mold for what an idol group sounds like, how they create music, who listens to them, and created opportunities(namely for solos while still actively promoting with the group and for more creative control) for every group that followed. 

 

The business connections they made alone with CAA and Live Nation opened up a whole new frontier for idols. There was chart manipulation that ALL our favs benefitted from in the early gaon era but before and after that BB was still #1.

You’re listing Seo Taiji and The Boys’s impact now, sis.

 

BIG BANG definitely got a big push and they had some success, but they sold half of what SNSD manage a sixth of what TVXQ managed. They had to rely on sajaegi to score constant hits and 2NE1 was hitting higher highs immediately out of the gate. G-Dragon definitely had a chance to be something big, but the group wasted it all on partying and drugs.

11 minutes ago, Adama said:

It’s kinda funny how you accuse every others companies of manipulation but never mentions SM! If everyone faked their digital sales I can’t imagine what SM used to do back then 

 

And I get Into Kpop during the 3rd gen aka the best one 

SM was stingy as hell and fought with most online digital retailers to try and bring in bigger profits. They ended up destroying their digital legacies because they wouldn’t participate in sajaegi and on top of that, they were always battling another digital service and it caused their groups to suffer on digital charts. If you look at their run, they did horribly digitally even when they were the top company.

 

And these aren’t accusations. This was all common knowledge we all had and participated in. SM was not manipulating stats, they instead spent their time shooting themselves in the foot and alienating so many major names (Jaejoong, Jessica Jung, Min Heejin). Their poor management is what really shaped K-pop today - and they’re still at it.

[Gwendolyn]

I can't believe Growl is 10 now, I remember listening to it on a Mp3 on another forum in like 2014 

[lgaga1fan]

5 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

EXO had one semi-hit (“Growl”), move on people, BTS WON!

 

Growl, Kokobop, Monster, Love Shot, The Eve (a b side), Call Me Baby, Love Me Right... They stopped competing with the 7 group like 5 years ago but to say they dont have hits is wild

[lgaga1fan]

Implying that BigBang relies on payola to get hits when they released Still Born last year and it efforlessly smashed with ease is so damn stupid. 

[illia]

15 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

EXO had one semi-hit (“Growl”), move on people, BTS WON!

 

Yeah now you're just trolling

[Eternium]

5 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

Implying that BigBang relies on payola to get hits when they released Still Born last year and it efforlessly smashed with ease is so damn stupid. 

And comparing BB’s stats to another group who outsold them in album sales and outsold them in digital single sales (despite BB benefiting from digital sales manipulation) and saying that somehow BB is still bigger, despite less cultural impact and relevance, is even more damn stupid  

[Adama]

29 minutes ago, Century said:

3rd gen was the pits but in the early days of kpop LSM was known for keeping 10s of thousands of dollars on his person and in his office for bribery.  There's a reason he tried to get sheep to call him the godfather of kpop. 

No bc LSM was literally researched by Interpol, but SM « never did sajaegi » 

 

16 minutes ago, Eternium said:

SNSD stans were busy buying albums instead of investing money in domestic digitals.

 

Forever 1 is Girls’ Generation’s fifth album to outsell Big Bang’s best-selling album. And they did it with two versions only.

You’re listing Seo Taiji and The Boys’s impact now, sis.

 

 

SM was stingy as hell and fought with most online digital retailers to try and bring in bigger profits. They ended up destroying their digital legacies because they wouldn’t participate in sajaegi and on top of that, they were always battling another digital service and it caused their groups to suffer on digital charts. If you look at their run, they did horribly digitally even when they were the top company.

 

And these aren’t accusations. This was all common knowledge we all had and participated in. SM was not manipulating stats, they instead spent their time shooting themselves in the foot and alienating so many major names (Jaejoong, Jessica Jung, Min Heejin). Their poor management is what really shaped K-pop today - and they’re still at it.

It’s not fair to compare an album of 2016 to 2022 when the physicals market exploded! However what is fair is comparing the chart performance from the same year, with the same digitals rules!.

Big bang proved once again that the group is simply bigger in SK than SNSD, nothing wrong with that. 
 

Not to mentions that Big bang were a touring force who saw their records beaten by only BTS and BP! 
 

« SM was not manipulating stats »/ « SM was not doing sajaegi » meanwhile in reality 

 

In 2002, Korea’s prosecution found evidence that Lee Soo Man was receiving illegal earnings from the stock market. He also faced charges of bribing producers at broadcasting stations and having massive amounts of cash in his office and personal safe. In June of the same year, Lee Soo Man traveled outside the country to evade his trial, but was found in Los Angeles, the USA in August. At the time, he was put on Interpol’s wanted list, and his passport became invalid. 

 

In the end, Lee Soo Man voluntarily returned back to Korea in May 2003 and was questioned in October of the same year. In front of the court, Lee Soo Man defended himself by saying he was not the only one involved in the embezzlement. He had paid back the embezzled money. Yet the supreme court of Korea still ruled that Lee Soo Man had to receive 2 years in prison and 3 years in probation. 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Adama

[Born to Run]

9 minutes ago, lgaga1fan said:

Growl, Kokobop, Monster, Love Shot, The Eve (a b side), Call Me Baby, Love Me Right... They stopped competing with the 7 group like 5 years ago but to say they dont have hits is wild

Circle Year-End:

Growl #13

Overdose #35

Call Me Maybe #26

Love Me Right #49

Monster #57

Kokoflop #82

Love Shot #53

The Eve N/A

 

So yeah, Growl was a hit, then they released a bunch flavor of the week.

 

[lgaga1fan]

1 minute ago, Eternium said:

And comparing BB’s stats to another group who outsold them in album sales and outsold them in digital single sales (despite BB benefiting from digital sales manipulation) and saying that somehow BB is still bigger, despite less cultural impact and relevance, is even more damn stupid  

G Dragon was solo touring the US in arenas the same year BTS were barely beginning to book US tv appearances. No sales states or digital hits can erase the tangible impact BigBang had on Kpop and the global music scene, no matter how you want to try to erase it. 

[Pluto6]

Just now, Eternium said:

And comparing BB’s stats to another group who outsold them in album sales and outsold them in digital single sales (despite BB benefiting from digital sales manipulation) and saying that somehow BB is still bigger, despite less cultural impact and relevance, is even more damn stupid  

Your takes omg, how is it possible to have these horrible takes, you must be a troll 

[lgaga1fan]

4 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

Circle Year-End:

Growl #13

Overdose #35

Call Me Maybe #26

Love Me Right #49

Monster #57

Kokoflop #82

Love Shot #53

The Eve N/A

 

So yeah, Growl was a hit, then they released a bunch flavor of the week.

 

So your defense is to use a year end chart that BTS didnt gain a top 10 entry in until they collabed with hit artist Halsey? They only have two other entries btw and they were English singles created to be sold to the masses by a team of white men in a boardroom. A chart that they should theoretically have entered SEVERAL times considering they were smashing every conceivable sales record in Kpop? A top 10 shown to be skewed against Idol groups historically? The cognitive dissonance is sending. 

[Born to Run]

EXO had one hit, next.

 

[Pluto6]

Like I don't even stan him or BIGBANG or anything, but let's not deny his impact, he has more impact alone than SNSD!

 

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Pluto2022