elevate Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Kummercell said: oh sweetie get into Yukika NOW "Soul Lady" is one of the best kpop albums ever I'm in my city pop era for the next 30 min or so bc I'm busy after lol A phenomenal album and the fact that she wrote a song about her dog... she took it Spoiler Also not on her album but
Mitsuki Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: 1. I just want SKZ to release of a mixture of GOOD noise music that everyone can listen too. Not like S-Class. S-Class is reaching better results than all their releases initially. Believe it or not. They appeal to a niche and know how to make them happy. 2 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: 2. I meant to western Kpop fans, not just normal westerners. To western kpop fans, big groups appeal more because the larger the number, the more likely to have a stan attractor. And they do intense concepts more often. TXT is more successful internationally than most current active boygroups right now - even from big labels - with more members and doing more powerful concepts consistently than them. The most important reasons why SKZ, especifically, is reaching better results overall aren't exactly the ones mentioned, imo.
SandyJeans Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, spicyaegha said: Lol I’m not getting the push back on bts tbh like some armys might be annoying but let’s not forgot they actually did come from a nugu company. and Korea is all about the hierarchy or whatever, one girlie from ioi was talking about how the same ppl who would greet her in IOI ignored her when she was nugu after they disbanded. Like a lot of ppl must’ve been showing their fangs hard especially when they were rising back in 2015-17 before becoming #1 group, and it’s not wrong to talk abt it nor is it acting like a victim. Like do y’all think big 3 was happy abt their success lol, kpop in general is very unfriendly to any nugu who finds more success then they think they should get exactly that. fellow newbie speaking like a normal decent human being unlike some of ya'll also at the end of the day, why are ya'll so mad at this
elevate Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said: I think men have it easier in the kpop industry no matter how "mistreated" you are you want us to believe you its the women who should be writing books about mistreatments in the kpop industry but maybe that's just me (pedo and creepy executives, misogynistic people in the industry behind the scenes, the surgeries these companies suggest for the to have pre debut, the music they make etc etc) misandry is not a thing not especially in the kpop industry lol The amount of times I've seen misandry equated with misogyny from loser Reddit 30-40 year old men / moderators who want to rewrite history and pretend like it's the same Thankfully I feel like younger people are a little more astute on this issue and can discern alternative facts when they see them. 1
Ubermensch Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Imagine resorting to personal attacks in a conversation about how certain messaging from your favs encourages nasty behavior. Talk about completely missing the point.
supershy Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Aespa, Itzy now Txt, English singles for 4th gen groups are all flopping. Why?
Ubermensch Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, supershy said: Aespa, Itzy now Txt, English singles for 4th gen groups are all flopping. Why? Itsy and aespa weren't singles. All 3 groups are still unknown in the US unlike the gen 3 groups that broke through after years of promotions.
armink Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Century said: Let me break it down on a level your clearly struggling to keep up brain can actually understand since you decided to get nasty in the middle of a respectful conversation. You keep saying that this is BTS bringing up PAST mistreatment and not now, but you're also contributing to Armies witch hunting and attacking other artists in the present based off of GUESSES about something that MIGHT have happened years and years ago. My very problem with their continued victim narrative is that it justifies this kind of behavior by emboldening some of their worse fans who are lacking in critical thinking ability, such as yourself apparently They were mistreated in the past because everybody in this industry is mistreated, and while that doesn't make it right, it means that using it to tear down other people who work in the same toxic industry is moronic and makes you personally look dumb if you buy into it I'm not going to engage with this talking point anymore because it's getting weirdly similar to telling abuse victims to keep quiet so that the world won't falsely imprison an innocent person. And before you try twisting my words no, I obviously think the BTS situation is nowhere near as serious as real domestic/sexual abuse, but the analogy still stands. Quote Before gen 3 SM was full of flopped debuts that the company decided to walk away from and abandon the idols(The Grace, TRAXX, SJ-M, M.I.L.K, Black Beat). They were confirmed to be readying to do this before Gee became an international sensation. They very narrowly escaped being in that list of groups nobody has ever heard of by luck. There was no such thing as SM privilege in 2007. Before SNSD SM still had HOT, SES, Shinhwa, BoA, TVXQ, and Super Junior. It's just remotely not even close to bighit's situation and you have to be extremely delusional to think otherwise. Do you think all of SM's connections went away because of the flop groups in the middle? Quote Uncalled for and tacky. Because its true? Quote This was a comment made in passing at a fan signing, not a highly publicized book that came after years of songs and speeches about it. Regardless of where the comment was made, it clearly got blown out of proportion because it made it to the media. The effect was the same. And Bang Chan made his comments in a public live. 1 1
Mitsuki Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said: I think men have it easier in the kpop industry no matter how "mistreated" you are you want us to believe you its the women who should be writing books about mistreatments in the kpop industry but maybe that's just me (pedo and creepy executives, misogynistic people in the industry behind the scenes, the surgeries these companies suggest for the to have pre debut, the music they make etc etc) misandry is not a thing not especially in the kpop industry lol Why can't people talk about their struggles, because someone else supposely is getting it harder? This toxic mentality being spread is one of the reasons why some people don't reach out for help when they are needing the most. And the BTS issue isn't clarified as "misandry". They aren't saying they were mistreated because they are men as far as I know. 5
spicyaegha Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 What’s surprising is that enhypens title track did the best out of the 4th gen bgs on Spotify global… 4th gen bgs inability to put out a hit with international audiences needs to be studied, like I’m not even talking about Korea but even internationals are not looking for hits with them. Like i think skz could’ve done it if they came out with a normal song lol, but their recent title track was just not it… haven’t topped miroh, gods menu, and back door yet imo. They keep getting more popular but I feel like their title tracks get less and less relevant. They should try some melodic rap type stuff Txt put some bland stuff out, i feel like the killing parts of their songs just never hit. Their 2021 titles eat up though, loser lover is bomb af and should’ve done better 2
Ubermensch Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Not BTS being scoffed at backstage is analogous to abuse Not SM guaranteeing success even in an era where SNSD was the latest in a string of failed debuts Not Hyoyeon cracking a joke with a fan being the same as a group's entire media strategy So unserious
SandyJeans Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 the constant bickering, you guys can't be serious just fighting to fight at this point anyways, I'll be back tomorrow with more NewLegends updates 1
spicyaegha Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: Why can't people talk about their struggles, because someone else supposely is getting it harder? This toxic mentality being spread is one of the reasons why some people don't reach out for help when they are needing the most. And the BTS issue isn't clarified as "misandry". They aren't saying they were mistreated because they are men as far as I know. Agreed like misandry doesn’t exist but who even brought up gender…? Y’all got me agreeing with armys here like the takes here are BAD. It’s like ppl are projecting their issues with toxic side of armys on bts tbh 2
smates Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, Century said: Not BTS being scoffed at backstage is analogous to abuse Not SM guaranteeing success even in an era where SNSD was the latest in a string of failed debuts Not Hyoyeon cracking a joke with a fan being the same as a group's entire media strategy So unserious I wouldn't say it was abuse but you literally said their struggles made them who they are today so they should shut up about what they've been through, they aren't victims because they are stronger now. I quoted you and you didn't reply but you must realize statements like these usually come from abusers. I'm obviously choosing to believe you worded your thoughts wrong. 1
armink Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Century said: Imagine resorting to personal attacks in a conversation about how certain messaging from your favs encourages nasty behavior. Talk about completely missing the point. Just now, Century said: Not BTS being scoffed at backstage is analogous to abuse Not SM guaranteeing success even in an era where SNSD was the latest in a string of failed debuts Not Hyoyeon cracking a joke with a fan being the same as a group's entire media strategy So unserious The way I knew you would do this I clearly said its not similar levels of severity, but the premise of YOU telling someone who's been mistreated to shut up and be quiet because it MIGHT cause harm to innocent people is the mindset of victim blamers. You are truly a master gaslighter and I should have put you on ignore when you tried to convince the world that Minho and Key are better dancers than JK I'm sorry if you were offended but if you think "worms for brains" is this serious of a personal attack I fear for your extremely thin skin on an online forum. I never mean for it to be that deep love . Now please never speak to me again
The Prophecy Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 11 hours ago, SandyJeans said: @Somi spilled. Korea is perched for a new BG to put their support behind especially after the success of Wanna One, theres a void that needs to be filled and they're at the perfect spot to fill it. It would have been X1 had it not been for the rigging scandal coming out. They're going to be digital monsters me thinks (for BG standards) @Pluto2022 feeling threatened. Nothing new!
spicyaegha Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 waiting for the inevitable zb1 flop tbh like y’all really convinced a 4th gen bg will debut with a smash….? and I’d like to be wrong but let’s be fr Korea is only stanning 1 active bg at a time and it’s kinda obvious that’s seventeen rn.
Mitsuki Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, spicyaegha said: skz could’ve done it if they came out with a normal song lol, but their recent title track was just not it… haven’t topped miroh, gods menu, and back door yet imo. They keep getting more popular but I feel like their title tracks get less and less relevant. They should try some melodic rap type stuff They are hit or miss with international casual audience, depending on the song. God's Menu and Maniac are actually very, very popular with the community and Case 143 is a hit on Japan and took them to a whole new level there. But since they have the fandom, they always are consistent in terms of numbers regardless of what they release. Maybe next release they will please K-pop stans again 1
MonsterNavy Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: Why can't people talk about their struggles, because someone else supposely is getting it harder? This toxic mentality being spread is one of the reasons why some people don't reach out for help when they are needing the most. And the BTS issue isn't clarified as "misandry". They aren't saying they were mistreated because they are men as far as I know. 2 minutes ago, spicyaegha said: Agreed like misandry doesn’t exist but who even brought up gender…? Y’all got me agreeing with armys here like the takes here are BAD. It’s like ppl are projecting their issues with toxic side of armys on bts tbh I mean, obviously literally everyone can talk about their "bad experiences" "struggles" or being "mistreated" but the way the army are talking about this issue as if those things didn't motivate them to be the biggest kpop artist of all time is just they were mocked for being in a small company and people laughed at you when they were trying to breakout in the west and? the kpop industry is a cruel place and no amount of tell all books will change that now their obsessed fans are attacking a group and playing the victim like they always do
Witnessed ET Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, armink said: Only on chronically online spaces like these will people choose to forget that these are REAL PEOPLE who have been harassed by the entire world ever since 2016 Not everything is a calculated move to control the narrative. They get treated like garbage by the baguettes in here on the daily, it's not hard to fathom jealous loser idols did the same to them in real life. Was that video supposed to prove that Tao is a “jealous loser idol”?
Ubermensch Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, smates said: I wouldn't say it was abuse but you literally said their struggles made them who they are today so they should shut up about what they've been through, they aren't victims because they are stronger now. I quoted you and you didn't reply but you must realize statements like these usually come from abusers. I'm obviously choosing to believe you worded your thoughts wrong. Being scoffed at backstage is unprofessional and rude behavior but every group experiences some kind of that. Either you debut with a small or mid size company and are called nugu and dismissed or you're from a big 4 and others assume you aren't deserving of your success and are praying on your downfall. More discussion about this would be a good thing in a vacuum but after Army have time and again used BTS's experiences as ammunition to be nastier to idols and their fans than anything that was said backstage that night, it becomes problematic to me. At a certain point you have to ask if BTS is punching up at the industry that created conditions for them to be mistreated or punching down at an already on the brink of disbandment group that's been freefalling since 2016. After so many issues with their fans behaving in this manner I believe there's a way to share past experiences in a way that discourages fans from missing the point. Look at the difference from Red TV to Speak Now TV. Taylor Swift saw an issue with her fans behavior and before she got ready to dig up past experiences again she had the forethought to tell her fans not to attack people over years old drama. If all the energy Army spent over the years harassing journalists and idols for perceived mistreatment of BTS was put into trying to uplift other groups who are struggling in the media now or trying to dismantle the hateful norms in the industry there could be positive change and accountability instead of whatever we have now. BTS are the only ones with the power to set that straight though. Edited July 9, 2023 by Century
smates Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Honestly, I get being mad at BTS fans for attacking other fandoms. BTS are certainly not talking about EXO, Shinee, or BigBang because most of the members have friends from those groups so they clearly get along well. Armys take their anger from fanwars on the wrong people. BUT y'all are taking your anger on the wrong people, too. Why shouldn't they talk about the injustice they faced when they started out as teenagers from a small company It's a part of their history. Truly, the only 7 people in the world who would get blamed for "victim mentality" when they talk about their bullying story 1
Mitsuki Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said: I mean, obviously literally everyone can talk about their "bad experiences" "struggles" or being "mistreated" but the way the army are talking about this issue as if those things didn't motivate them to be the biggest kpop artist of all time is just they were mocked for being in a small company and people laughed at you when they were trying to breakout in the west and? the kpop industry is a cruel place and no amount of tell all books will change that now their obsessed fans are attacking a group and playing the victim like they always do I understand Armys are insufferable and we should absolutely condemn their behavior, but I think you were projecting your perception of them on people who are doing nothing wrong, including the BTS members. Your take ended up coming off as insensitive, in my opinion.
spicyaegha Posted July 9, 2023 Posted July 9, 2023 Just now, jorjapuss said: lisa's man uglghy He rich though jk is she even dating him? ppl are jumping the gun with this honestly. Like they were just sitting together hes been with her everywhere since born pink tour started
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