fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[Ubermensch]

1 minute ago, Pluto2022 said:

 

It's because he keeps disliking all my posts 

That too is also odd behavior. 

[newaespa]

Isn't EXO and BTS friends?

Why are those smelly armies blaming on EXO yet again?

 

they can go CRY again just like their pathetic fave

[Kummercell]

Just now, armink said:

So are you implying that the members are lying about this for clout? What clout do they need at this point? 

they don't need it but their entire career(and the ideology their cult is based on) was built around this idea that they're these poor men that everyone is conspiring against.

[Pluto6]

Just now, Century said:

That too is also odd behavior. 

Finally something we can agree on at least 

[Ubermensch]

1 minute ago, Kummercell said:

they don't need it but their entire career(and the ideology their cult is based on) was built around this idea that they're these poor men that everyone is conspiring against.

The victim mentality from them and Army is exceptionally weird for an act that was competing with peak Taylor Swift in every metric. 

[Ubermensch]

@Sorecer the ignore button is right there bby, they aren't worth it. 

[Kummercell]

also, i'm sorry but "they ignored us because they didn't think we would be successful" does not sound believable at all

[Mitsuki]

5 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

Y'all are too hard on TXT around here in comparison to SKZ and I'm so sick of it. On the surface it may seem like TXT have a lot of privileges (and they do) but they actually also have a ton stacked against them. SKZ debuted a year before TXT in a more prestigious company, and had their own reality show. Not to mention they're basically the true spiritual successors to BTS, the most popular kpop boyband of all time.

 

Meanwhile TXT had to follow BTS with a totally different concept that doesn't appeal to western fans the way it used to, had NO reality show to speak of and were fresh faces. They're doing fairly well all things considered. Lay off them a little, @Pluto2022 it's starting to become excessive.

 

Being BTS' succesors alone washes everything Stray Kids did on the year they debuted before TXT, let's not. 

 

For you to have an idea, TXT debuted on March, 2019. The same month Stray Kids was releasing their 5th album in the industry and the debut of fresh faces with NO reality show and music dropped prior the release blocked MIROH from March's monthly album chart and 'Crown' was more popular than anything Stray Kids released until their breakthrough with God's Menu. 

[armink]

4 minutes ago, Kummercell said:

they don't need it but their entire career(and the ideology their cult is based on) was built around this idea that they're these poor men that everyone is conspiring against.

Only on chronically online spaces like these will people choose to forget that these are REAL PEOPLE who have been harassed by the entire world ever since 2016  

 

Not everything is a calculated move to control the narrative. They get treated like garbage by the baguettes in here on the daily, it's not hard to fathom jealous loser idols did the same to them in real life.

 

 

[Witnessed ET]

28 minutes ago, Magdalene said:

kpop companies have such a skewed view of US pop stars, bagging B-listers like zara, bebe, charlie puth, and the jonas brothers as if anyone in the US would really give a ****

I think they just bag whoever they’re able to bag lol.
 

OT: some of y’all fighting again chile, messy for the sake of being messy 

[CandyCoatedClouds]

6 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

Being BTS' succesors alone washes everything Stray Kids did on the year they debuted before TXT, let's not. 

 

For you to have an idea, TXT debuted on March, 2019. The same month Stray Kids was releasing their 5th album in the industry and the debut of fresh faces with NO reality show and music dropped prior the release blocked MIROH from March's monthly album chart and 'Crown' was more popular than anything Stray Kids released until their breakthrough with God's Menu. 

Being BTS's successors only jump started them but has kind of been a hindrance ever since. The last truly successful boygroup that JYP produced was 2pm/2AM, all the way back in second gen. Got7 did okay but people didn't really have expectations of JYP boy groups, allowing stray kids to have no burden on them from that, especially not the weight of being the successors to the biggest boy band since the peak of One Direction.

 

 

Not to mention big boy bands with a lot of members go for powerful concepts which westerners like, smaller boy bands tend to go for lighter happier concepts which westerners don't respond too as much. The comparison just really isn't there.

Edited July 9, 2023 by CandyCoatedClouds

[SandyJeans]

8 minutes ago, armink said:

So are you implying that the members are lying about this for clout? What clout do they need at this point? 

 

I don't understand how it's so difficult to understand that other people in the industry truly DID treat them like ****. This is probably still true for other idols from smaller companies.

 

 

Idk who this is about but I'm just going to choose to blame rat junior 

no need to gang up on @armink over this, he's one of like two army here

not sure a book was the best idea given how rabid twitter ARMY is and the inevitable cross-examination report that will be ready tomorrow morning with all the  overlapping Big 3 groups promotions with nugu era BTS and investigative twitter journalism

 

that being said, there's no reason for them to lie. time and time again it's been revealed how poorly idols from smaller companies are treated both internally and externally

 

[Witnessed ET]

1 minute ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

Being BTS's successors only jump started rhem but has kind of been a hindrance ever since. The last truly successful boygroup that JYP produced was 2pm/2AM, all the way back in second gen. Got7 did okay but peopl3 didn't really have expectations of JYP boy groups, allowing stray kids to have no burden on them from that, especially not the weight of being the successors to the biggest boy band since the peak of One Direction.

 

 

Not to mention big boy bands with a lot of members go for powerful concepts which westerners like, smaller boy bands tend to go for lighter happier concepts which westerners don't respond too as much. The comparison just really isn't there.

I’ve never understood the comparison between SKZ and TXt like….where did that even come from? They’re two completely different groups who make different music and have a different image. 

[Ubermensch]

2 minutes ago, armink said:

Only on chronically online spaces like these will people choose to forget that these are REAL PEOPLE who have been harassed by the entire world ever since 2016  

So has every other top tier idol ever. Just a few weeks ago people were saying Karina was in favor of the Nanjing Massacre and it became a big scandal in China. You don't see aespa writing a tell-all book about how they've victims of their own success, do you? Where's the book about Jennie being told to unalive by BTS army?

 

4 minutes ago, armink said:

it's not hard to fathom jealous loser idols did the same to them in real life.

The quote you posted from the book was about a bigger, more established group at the time, nobody was jealous if that ever even happened. 

 

[elevate]

Can't stop listening to New Jeans. So fresh, so clean

 

[CandyCoatedClouds]

1 minute ago, Witnessed ET said:

I’ve never understood the comparison between SKZ and TXt like….where did that even come from? They’re two completely different groups who make different music and have a different image. 

It's because they're both 4th gen boy bands that come from big agencies and are the two biggest of their generation. Fans are so insufferable about thsi kind of thing.

[armink]

1 minute ago, SandyJeans said:

no need to gang up on @armink over this, he's one of like two army here

not sure a book was the best idea given how rabid twitter ARMY is and the inevitable cross-examination report that will be ready tomorrow morning with all the  overlapping Big 3 groups promotions with nugu era BTS and investigative twitter journalism

 

that being said, there's no reason for them to lie. time and time again it's been revealed how poorly idols from smaller companies are treated both internally and externally

 

True, I can agree that ARMY shouldn't be going out to hunt down random idols who they think are guilty. However, BTS didn't name any names and I don't think its fair to silence them from telling their story in a book that is supposed to be a culmination of their 10 year history.

 

I just think it's so cheap to pretend like they're lying when they have been talking about this mistreatment for the entirety of their careers now.

[lgaga1fan]

16 minutes ago, Century said:

The victim mentality from them and Army is exceptionally weird for an act that was competing with peak Taylor Swift in every metric. 

They haven’t been NUGU since the minute they stepped onto US television and ARMY still act like they’re minorities. 

 

Edit: I worded this poorly so i’m gonna correct this. I meant Army’s thinking they’re personally a minority through a victim mentality. Not BTS being minorities (which they very obviously are in the US as a popular group). 

Edited July 9, 2023 by lgaga1fan

[smates]

The next time I see someone talk about mental health here I'll call them out on their bullsh*t. Your hatred towards the fanbase is blinding you. BTS are real people. Jungkook was 15, Jimin and V were 17 when BTS debuted, things like that don't leave you when you grow older or get rich. What exactly is wrong with talking about your career, the good and the bad?

 

If they dropped names and caused the fandom to attack people, I wouldn't defend it but they don't do that. Instead they are trying to be better for the new generation of idols. The way everyone who has ever met them only has nice things to say prove that.

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by smates

[Ubermensch]

The narrative that BTS are mistreated and need protection legitimizes and even in some instances encourages the worst behavior from Army. At some point they have to switch the narrative from being victims to being untouchable trailblazers and extremely successful. Lets not act like we haven't seem them literally calling for the deaths of other artists and their fans over "mistreatment". 

 

They hard a hard come-up but so did literally all of the other greats. G-Dragon had to **** in a hole in the ground outside of YG, SNSD faced the black ocean, IU didn't know if she was going to make it, etc.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Century

[armink]

3 minutes ago, Century said:

So has every other top tier idol ever. Just a few weeks ago people were saying Karina was in favor of the Nanjing Massacre and it became a big scandal in China. You don't see aespa writing a tell-all book about how they've victims of their own success, do you? Where's the book about Jennie being told to unalive by BTS army?

 

The quote you posted from the book was about a bigger, more established group at the time, nobody was jealous if that ever even happened. 

 

This is a book to celebrate their 10 year anniversary, aespa can do that when (if) they reach that mark or whenever they want. I truly do not care, good for them to either speak their truth or not, whatever they choose.

 

In recounting their history they should be allowed to talk about their treatment by their industry peers. I'm really not seeing the issue in this? I cannot fathom why anyone would be offended about this unless they think their own faves were guilty of these actions. If the shoe fits, I guess.

 

And yeah you're right I shouldn't have said "jeoulous," but I also haven't read the actual book and don't know the context for what time period within their careers this happened. It could've very easily been around 2015-early 2016 when they were rapidly rising but still not quite the top group. Regardless, even if those sunbaes weren't jealous they might've still just been treating smaller groups horribly just due to their big egos. 

[Pluto6]

 

34 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

Y'all are too hard on TXT around here in comparison to SKZ and I'm so sick of it. On the surface it may seem like TXT have a lot of privileges (and they do) but they actually also have a ton stacked against them. SKZ debuted a year before TXT in a more prestigious company, and had their own reality show. Not to mention they're basically the true spiritual successors to BTS, the most popular kpop boyband of all time.

 

Meanwhile TXT had to follow BTS with a totally different concept that doesn't appeal to western fans the way it used to, had NO reality show to speak of and were fresh faces. They're doing fairly well all things considered. Lay off them a little, @Pluto2022 it's starting to become excessive.

 

Relax, we are just cutely shading them for fun, which happens to every other group in here including SKZ. This is still nothing compared to how much some of the extinct MOAs dragged SKZ in here during Temptation era, so think of it more as a response and Karma. But I personally has nothing against the TXT members and even praise them from time to time. Tinnitus is still that bop

 

"Yeah, I want it, want it, want it
Want it, want it, want it, yeah"

 

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Pluto2022

[Ubermensch]

8 minutes ago, armink said:

In recounting their history they should be allowed to talk about their treatment by their industry peers. I'm really not seeing the issue in this? I cannot fathom why anyone would be offended about this unless they think their own faves were guilty of these actions. If the shoe fits, I guess.

Well first of all I can guarantee the group in question wasnt either of my ults, SNSD or aespa. Second of all see the post above yours for why I personally have a problem with this nonsense. 

 

None of the other top kpop acts ever gave their fans a sense of security in bashing others based off of nebulous past "mistreatment". We know exactly who it was pulling strings to give SNSD their black ocean, you don't see Taeyeon complaining about it or ignoring Sone threatening to shank Shindong. 

 

BTS are extremely successful and every obstacle they faced in their careers still lead them to where we are today where even non-fans recognize them as the top kpop group. They aren't victims.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Century

[Mitsuki]

4 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said:

Being BTS's successors only jump started them but has kind of been a hindrance ever since. The last truly successful boygroup that JYP produced was 2pm/2AM, all the way back in second gen. Got7 did okay but people didn't really have expectations of JYP boy groups, allowing stray kids to have no burden on them from that, especially not the weight of being the successors to the biggest boy band since the peak of One Direction.

 

 

Not to mention big boy bands with a lot of members go for powerful concepts which westerners like, smaller boy bands tend to go for lighter happier concepts which westerners don't respond too as much. The comparison just really isn't there.

I don't really get you, being honest. Last time we had a conversation you were telling me Stray Kids should stop releasing unlistenable noise/loud/powerful music consistently and going through a more friendly concept and type of music at least one time or another, to wide their audience to western taste. But now they are going exactly for the right route to appeal to Westeners. What's the truth? 

 

Not that I disagree they are doing something right. This is what I've been saying since the beginning here when everyone quotes me saying they should change musically and conceptually. It's just that It seems the perception changes depending on the narrative. 

 

Anyway, I disagree TXT doesn't appeal to western audience. Their type of music is extremely westernized. They are mostly produced by western people, after all. And having lesser members is appealing exactly because western audience is familiarized with small groups the most. The english song itself is a copy of BTS' marketing tactic that went well on western markets. 

[lgaga1fan]

5 minutes ago, armink said:

This is a book to celebrate their 10 year anniversary, aespa can do that when (if) they reach that mark or whenever they want. I truly do not care, good for them to either speak their truth or not, whatever they choose.

 

In recounting their history they should be allowed to talk about their treatment by their industry peers. I'm really not seeing the issue in this? I cannot fathom why anyone would be offended about this unless they think their own faves were guilty of these actions. If the shoe fits, I guess.

 

And yeah you're right I shouldn't have said "jeoulous," but I also haven't read the actual book and don't know the context for what time period within their careers this happened. It could've very easily been around 2015-early 2016 when they were rapidly rising but still not quite the top group. Regardless, even if those sunbaes weren't jealous they might've still just been treating smaller groups horribly just due to their big egos. 

Because it’s pure masturbatory nonsense. Playing the constant victim mentality makes you look like a psycho when you’re at the top of entertainment. Look at Taylor Swift and her success. She’s on a 5 year vendetta to re-record her imperial works purely out of self satisfaction and is selling worse versions of her music to her fans. It only feeds into your delusion that they’re some underdog group when in reality they’re literally at the top and on a hiatus. It only served the interests of the fans to feed more into their parasocial underdog mentality