fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[Pluto6]

16 minutes ago, Hazy said:

they are literally the most streamed artist on yt in SK in the the past year 

they are about to hit 2b in a year there, again, without ads 

actually they are above any 4th gen group in the past year including Stray Kids 

 

 That's not true 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Pluto2022

[Mitsuki]

Super Shy and TOPLINE are on Top 2 of my 'On Repeat' playlist and going from a chill song to a loud one so quickly is an experience

 

[Pluto6]

8 minutes ago, Selenasworld said:

YouTube is so irrelvant to me, they get less money from YouTube so why claiming YouTube? Is not like they are paying srteaming farms (or their fandom) Anyway

Do you watch your videos on Dailymotion or something? 

 

7 minutes ago, Adama said:

Most of the Kpop idols are the definition of manufactured and have no artistic integrity especially the Rookie groups bc they simply don’t choose the music they are doing. All the music NJ is doing is bc MHJ and Ador want them to do it, prepared their concept even before they choose the finals members, not bc the girls decided to do it. They grew up with Kpop, they wanted to be KPOP idols. None of these girls listened to the UK garage songs before they met MHJ let’s be real. 
 

and before you call me an hater,  it’s not only them btw, it apply to most of the Kpop groups. Like aespa didn’t choose to have this concept, same for Nmixx with their mixxpoop, we literally saw on the LSRFM docu serie how Source music explained them their concept and their music with the Fearless things. You think all the Twice girls wanted to do the cute concept they did most of the time? BP are girls crush and badass bc it’s what YGE and Teddy wanted them to be, since it fit the company image. Seulgi literally went from releasing 24 reasons to Birthday? BtS literally threw their entire concept to do basic supermarket pop for their US debut! 
 

That’s why Knetz don’t put idols above soloists. 

SKZ can't relate and their sound and vision is theirs only 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Pluto2022

[rzal]

newjeans stans calling that pink pantheress reject art and experimental  

56 minutes ago, armink said:

okay 

 

Flower MV: 317M

Flower Spotify: 216M

Flower Total: 533M

 

Like Crazy MV: 73M

Like Crazy Spotify (KR): 312M

Like Crazy Spotify (EN): 161M

Like Crazy Total: 546M

 

Too bad blinks can't read or understand numbers!

Flower (Dance performance video): 100m

Total 633m

she also has like extra 76m from inkigayo performances but i'll go easy on miss jimin 

see what happens when you have organic demand and not only spotify bots

Edited July 8, 2023 by rzal

[Xalric]

1 hour ago, Adama said:

Yeah probably LATAM and maybe more Asian dates! Didn’t Big bang toured for 2 years or something too ?

BigBang started the M.A.D.E tour on April 2015 and ended on March 2016 then all of a sudden their 0 to 10 World Tour for their 10 year anniversary started on July 2016 until January 2017 but then went back to Last Dance Tour which was for M.A.D.E full album from November 2017 to December 2017.

 

But in-between there was the M.A.D.E V.I.P tour in China from March 2016 to October 2016 (yes 3 tours were overlapping), and the Big Bang Special Event Fan Meeting was going through all November 2016 (while they were doing the 0 to 10 tour) to December 2017 (while they were doing their last dance tour.

 

No wonder everybody left the company.

 

Can't be worse than their Fantastic Babies Japanese Tour from 2012 to 2016.

[Xalric]

1 minute ago, rzal said:

 

We cannot come for aespa, BP or Shuhua. The way she tried her hardest and still serve nothing.

[SandyJeans]

3 minutes ago, Adama said:

Most of the Kpop idols are the definition of manufactured and have no artistic integrity especially the Rookie groups bc they simply don’t choose the music they are doing. All the music NJ is doing is bc MHJ and Ador want them to do it, prepared their concept even before they choose the finals members, not bc the girls decided to do it. They grew up with Kpop, they wanted to be KPOP idols. None of these girls listened to the UK garage songs before they met MHJ let’s be real. 
 

and before you call me an hater,  it’s not only them btw, it apply to most of the Kpop groups. Like aespa didn’t choose to have this concept, same for Nmixx with their mixxpoop, we literally saw on the LSRFM docu serie how Source music explained them their concept and their music with the Fearless things. You think all the Twice girls wanted to do the cute concept they did most of the time? BP are girls crush and badass bc it’s what YGE and Teddy wanted them to be, since it fit the company image. Seulgi literally went from releasing 24 reasons to Birthday? BtS literally threw their entire concept to do basic supermarket pop for their US debut! 
 

That’s why Knetz don’t put idols above soloists. 

that's a larger discussion on the merits of whether you believe Kpop idols are all just living, breathing dancing dolls/robots with no autonomy or if despite working in a heavily controlled, manicured, regulated industry that idols are still capable of producing and performing genuine art or if it's somewhere in the middle

 

yes the most important essential part of Kpop are Creative Directors and A&R teams but when an artist like Soyeon basically is G-IDLE's producer, songwriter, creative director, what does that make her?

[Mitsuki]

Tomorrow Kill My Doubt's photo teasers will start 

 

 

 

[Hazy]

5 minutes ago, ItsJustMe. said:

tokkis unite!

just look at the material

 

 

 

best ep of the year incoming 

 

4 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

 That's not true 

 

I’m sorry to burst your bubble but it IS true, yt charts is accessible for everyone for free

 

past 12 months 

NewJeans 1.94b

Stray Kids 1.89b

 

https://charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fg%2F11s54cf6vn?date_end=2023-07-07T00%3A00%3A00Z&hl=pl

 

https://charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fg%2F11f3f_dy9l?date_end=2023-07-07T00%3A00%3A00Z&hl=pl

 

[SandyJeans]

10 minutes ago, ItsJustMe. said:

tokkis unite!

just look at the material

 

 

 

feeding us so good remember when we used to only have 6 songs & COCA COLA MASHIDA to stream on repeat 

[Rhyme]

6 minutes ago, SandyJeans said:

that's a larger discussion on the merits of whether you believe Kpop idols are all just living, breathing dancing dolls/robots with no autonomy or if despite working in a heavily controlled, manicured, regulated industry that idols are still capable of producing and performing genuine art or if it's somewhere in the middle

 

yes the most important essential part of Kpop are Creative Directors and A&R teams but when an artist like Soyeon basically is G-IDLE's producer, songwriter, creative director, what does that make her?

I mean it's not a matter of what he believes, it's the reality. Idols are a piece of the product put forth by the companies. We may like and appreciate these groups but everything they project is thought of in advance. They're performers, actors, and customer service reps all at once. Soyeon is the rare exception with actual autonomy. Most idols even the seniors still are just mid level employees when you think about it.

Edited July 8, 2023 by Rhyme

[Hazy]

I’m actually obsessed with Kiss Of Life 

the girls are IT

 

like, what’s happening with kpop? NewJeans, XG, Kiss Of Life, TripleS, aespa and then there are bop-makers LSRFM, IVE, GIdle and many more to follow… the material and quality of the kpop releases lately is crazy 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Hazy

[SandyJeans]

8 minutes ago, rzal said:

newjeans stans calling that pink pantheress reject art and experimental  

Flower (Dance performance video): 100m

Total 633m

she also has like extra 76m from inkigayo performances but i'll go easy on miss jimin 

see what happens when you have organic demand and not only spotify bots

Erika de Casier literally wrote those songs and she's been doing this sound longer than PinkPantheress

 

 

[Take Me Apart]

33 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

Like if we look at IVE's latest album, then I prefer most of the b-sides than the title track, but "I Am" is definitely the song that leaves the biggest impression and it totally makes sense why it's the title track. 

 

that's exactly what I'm saying, it's your typical overproduced, over-pitchy k-pop song with a bombastic MV that tries really hard to convince you its good when in reality it's not 

[armink]

Just now, rzal said:

Flower (Dance performance video): 100m

Total 633m

she also has like extra 76m from inkigayo performances but i'll go easy on miss jimin 

see what happens when you have organic demand and not spotify bots

of course blinks would want to watch the dance on mute, I can't blame them! Thankfully Jimin will be receiving the better payout from Spotify for creating an actually listenable song like he deserves 

 

see what happens when you have organic demand to actually LISTEN to the song and not youtube streaming farms

 

[Mitsuki]

13 minutes ago, ItsJustMe. said:

tokkis unite!

just look at the material

 

 

 

One of the things that I love about NewJeans is that they release actual albums and give attention and special treatment to every track they release. 

 

Something I always disliked about K-pop is that most groups only promote a lead single and called it a day. When they released good b-sides, It was painful to see them being ignored. 

[rzal]

1 minute ago, armink said:

of course blinks would want to watch the dance on mute, I can't blame them! Thankfully Jimin will be receiving the better payout from Spotify for creating an actually listenable song like he deserves 

 

see what happens when you have organic demand to actually LISTEN to the song and not youtube streaming farms

 

babes this is what your fave serves i'm sure you know a lot about streaming on mute 

isn't he a dancer? why aren't the fans watching the dance? 

[Pluto6]

2 minutes ago, Hazy said:

’m sorry to burst your bubble but it IS true, yt charts is accessible for everyone for free

 

past 12 months 

NewJeans 1.94b

Stray Kids 1.89b

 

https://charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fg%2F11s54cf6vn?date_end=2023-07-07T00%3A00%3A00Z&hl=pl

 

https://charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fg%2F11f3f_dy9l?date_end=2023-07-07T00%3A00%3A00Z&hl=pl

 

Those numbers will literally change every month though, so you should be looking calender year wise, which is the real way to determine anything, and SKZ had more streams in 20222 and in 2023 so far on YouTube.  

 

[armink]

1 minute ago, rzal said:

babes this is what your fave serves i'm sure you know a lot about streaming on mute 

isn't he a dancer? why aren't the fans watching the dance? 

at least even this video had more cultural impact than flower 

 

Like Crazy is just obviously a better song, spotify users agree!

[Adama]

18 minutes ago, Xalric said:

BigBang started the M.A.D.E tour on April 2015 and ended on March 2016 then all of a sudden their 0 to 10 World Tour for their 10 year anniversary started on July 2016 until January 2017 but then went back to Last Dance Tour which was for M.A.D.E full album from November 2017 to December 2017.

 

But in-between there was the M.A.D.E V.I.P tour in China from March 2016 to October 2016 (yes 3 tours were overlapping), and the Big Bang Special Event Fan Meeting was going through all November 2016 (while they were doing the 0 to 10 tour) to December 2017 (while they were doing their last dance tour.

 

No wonder everybody left the company.

 

Can't be worse than their Fantastic Babies Japanese Tour from 2012 to 2016.

They toured for 4 years??? is it a record 
 

17 minutes ago, SandyJeans said:

that's a larger discussion on the merits of whether you believe Kpop idols are all just living, breathing dancing dolls/robots with no autonomy or if despite working in a heavily controlled, manicured, regulated industry that idols are still capable of producing and performing genuine art or if it's somewhere in the middle

 

yes the most important essential part of Kpop are Creative Directors and A&R teams but when an artist like Soyeon basically is G-IDLE's producer, songwriter, creative director, what does that make her?

Like I said, I don’t see anything genuine from most of these Rookie groups. The fact that all their concepts and music were planned before some of them were cast is already telling. All of them are part of their groups bc their companies thought how they will fit whatever concepts they prepared. Some senior groups can’t still choose their TT after years in their company. How many times we heard idols saying: « The company presented us the demo they want to make for our next TT »

 

Some like Soyeon are exceptions but it’s not common 
 

No wonder Kpop groups are able to come back every 6 months! 
 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Adama

[SandyJeans]

13 minutes ago, Rhyme said:

I mean it's not a matter of what he believes, it's the reality. Idols are a piece of the product put forth by the companies. We may like and appreciate these groups but everything they project is thought of in advance. They're performers, actors, and customer service reps all at once. Soyeon is the rare exception with actual autonomy. Most idols even the seniors still are just mid level employees when you think about it.

well the question was, whether the product can have artistic integrity. none of what you're saying is wrong, I just choose to believe that idols produced by labels for the sake of mass-consumption can still also hold artistic merit. this argument is just going to go in a circle, but ultimately anytime kpop is praised, it's important to recognize the people behind the scenes who also play a part (creative, producers, songwriters, etc.) & even more so when the idols themselves contribute (& luckily both Dani & Haerin participated in contributing lyrics which is commendable but I know they're not the main ones responsible for producing a UK garage hit)

Edited July 8, 2023 by SandyJeans

[FACT]

24 minutes ago, ItsJustMe. said:

tokkis unite!

just look at the material

 

 

 

Cool with You 4 minutes 

ASAP 5 minutes

 

[ItsJustMe.]

6 minutes ago, Mitsuki said:

One of the things that I love about NewJeans is that they release actual albums and give attention and special treatment to every track they release. 

 

Something I always disliked about K-pop is that most groups only promote a lead single and called it a day. When they released good b-sides, It was painful to see them being ignored. 

true

a lot of kpop groups release mini/full albums only to put a bunch of filler tracks on them that will be forgotten in a week

I also like how the rollout's going, how all songs have their own moment to shine instead of releasing everything altogether

[Mitsuki]

5 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

Those numbers will literally change every month though, so you should be looking calender year wise, which is the real way to determine anything, and SKZ had more streams in 20222 and in 2023 so far on YouTube.  

 

The real difference is that you are talking about actual views. The Youtube Charts' data Hazy brought counts other formats along with it such as Youtube Music/Audios

 

You guys are putting Stray Kids and NewJeans against each other over two  different things even though It's the same plataform 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Mitsuki

[Hazy]

20 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said:

Those numbers will literally change every month though, so you should be looking calender year wise, which is the real way to determine anything, and SKZ had more streams in 20222 and in 2023 so far on YouTube.  

 

NewJeans debuted mid year, it’s obvious other groups had adventage over them - yet they still ended the year at #1 in Korea 

mind you they are still missing 2 weeks of data since they debuted on 22.07 

 

the fact is NewJeans got more streams IN THE PAST YEAR than any other 4th gen group, Stray Kids included and yes it’s true (and that’s what I’ve written in my post you quoted)

 

but yeah, we can go back to that discussion in December 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Hazy