Get Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, armink said: the lack of reading comprehension no I do not Like I said, you need to think about BOTH the raw overall numbers and the peaks of the song. Even though both songs have similarish spotify streams, Bboomx2 obviously has the way higher peaks so you felt the popularity more. My point is that money and L&R have similar raw numbers AND similar peaks, so yes they are comparable hits. Anywhere outside of Spotify and maybe Apple music Money is obviously bigger. As I said streams aren't everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Tea Is Green Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 hours ago, LuneMon said: The only real kpop hits are gangnam style, dynamite and cupid. the rest are mostly carried by kpop fans. GP doesn't know any bts or blackpink members, at least not yet. The delusion kpop stans have with inflated #s meaning this or that is a global hit is crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armink Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Get said: Anywhere outside of Spotify and maybe Apple music Money is obviously bigger. As I said streams aren't everything. maybe if you live exclusively inside tiktok I already agreed its slightly bigger, you're the one pretending like they aren't even comparable You have still not provided any evidence of it being "obviously bigger" by a huge margin, and no1curr about how you "feel" about the songs worms for brains I fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smates Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Get said: Anywhere outside of Spotify and maybe Apple music Money is obviously bigger. As I said streams aren't everything. Outside of Spotify, Apple Music, bunch of world charts... You mean TikTok + your feelings, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeFoundWill Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 https://twitter.com/jntaiiy/status/1667483986460028929?s=46&t=_3lpWGdFGAIG3oGG3Mpm2Q 4 arena shows in Australia was so unserious they literally have a #1 hit there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armink Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Green Tea Is Green said: The delusion kpop stans have with inflated #s meaning this or that is a global hit is crazy The real delusion is with kpop stans pretending like nothing from the genre can be a real hit unless every person in bumfuck alabama can also sing along. It's a very america/eurocentric mindset and it honestly comes off as very condescending to the entire genre. I think what most people mean when they say this is that there are no huge hits (probably with the exception of Gangnam style, Dynamite, and now Cupid), but that distinction needs to be made. There have been plenty of minor/moderate hits that not EVERYONE or even the majority of people will know but are still decently successful globally: Butter, Pink Venom, HYLT, My Universe, Money, L&R, D4, Kill this Love, BWL, OMG/Ditto, and even stretching back to earlier generations to a lesser extent with I am the Best and The Boys. Not everything needs to be Blinding Lights or Shape of You to be considered a hit. The same people would probably consider songs like abcdefu, astronaut in the ocean, and without you to be minor/moderate hits but I guarantee the vast majority of the public cannot tell you who Gayle, Masked Wolf, or Kid Laroi are. It's very interesting that this same grace cannot be extended to kpop groups, even by most kpop fans. Like do ya'll even really like this genre if you insist on constantly putting it down so much? 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesthetic bih Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, fais_2311 said: Polaroid Love crossed 200m Is the Monthly Listeners current or is it for overall? Cuz why Enhypen and TxT above Skz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeFoundWill Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, armink said: The real delusion is with kpop stans pretending like nothing from the genre can be a real hit unless every person in bumfuck alabama can also sing along. It's a very america/eurocentric mindset and it honestly comes off as very condescending to the entire genre. I think what most people mean when they say this is that there are no huge hits (probably with the exception of Gangnam style, Dynamite, and now Cupid), but that distinction needs to be made. There have been plenty of minor/moderate hits that not EVERYONE or even the majority of people will know but are still decently successful globally: Butter, Pink Venom, HYLT, My Universe, Money, L&R, D4, Kill this Love, BWL, OMG/Ditto, and even stretching back to earlier generations to a lesser extent with I am the Best and The Boys. Not everything needs to be Blinding Lights or Shape of You to be considered a hit. The same people would probably consider songs like abcdefu, astronaut in the ocean, and without you to be minor/moderate hits but I guarantee the vast majority of the public cannot tell you who Gayle, Masked Wolf, or Kid Laroi are. It's very interesting that this same grace cannot be extended to kpop groups, even by most kpop fans. Like do ya'll even really like this genre if you insist on constantly putting it down so much? EAT THEM UP FOR ME 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeFoundWill Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Flower was MASSIVE on TikTok with already 3.1M videos made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrgVisual Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said: Flower was MASSIVE on TikTok with already 3.1M videos made Eyes Closed by Ed had more than 1M videos and it's nowhere near being a hit Cardboard Box by Flo had more than 1M videos and it didn't chart anywhere and didn't do anything to their careers either People need to remember that TikTok =/ the charts. Just because a song being used as a meme doesn't mean people like it or willing to listen to it outside of TikTok purposes. Most TikTok "hits" are forgotten in like a few months or a year (Gaga's Bloody Mary is the prime example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto6 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 56 minutes ago, aesthetic bih said: Is the Monthly Listeners current or is it for overall? Cuz why Enhypen and TxT above Skz? SKZ are coming though. 1 week ago they were at 7,8M monthly listeners and now they are at 8,5M million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto6 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 hours ago, fais_2311 said: Polaroid Love crossed 200m Soon SKZ and ENHYPEN will become the only 4th gen bgs to have multiple songs with 200m streams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Tea Is Green Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, armink said: The real delusion is with kpop stans pretending like nothing from the genre can be a real hit unless every person in bumfuck alabama can also sing along. It's a very america/eurocentric mindset and it honestly comes off as very condescending to the entire genre. I think what most people mean when they say this is that there are no huge hits (probably with the exception of Gangnam style, Dynamite, and now Cupid), but that distinction needs to be made. There have been plenty of minor/moderate hits that not EVERYONE or even the majority of people will know but are still decently successful globally: Butter, Pink Venom, HYLT, My Universe, Money, L&R, D4, Kill this Love, BWL, OMG/Ditto, and even stretching back to earlier generations to a lesser extent with I am the Best and The Boys. Not everything needs to be Blinding Lights or Shape of You to be considered a hit. The same people would probably consider songs like abcdefu, astronaut in the ocean, and without you to be minor/moderate hits but I guarantee the vast majority of the public cannot tell you who Gayle, Masked Wolf, or Kid Laroi are. It's very interesting that this same grace cannot be extended to kpop groups, even by most kpop fans. Like do ya'll even really like this genre if you insist on constantly putting it down so much? Well duh, faceless hits exist they don't gotta know who gayle is, just like people don't know what a fifty fifty is but know cupid, the differece is the likes of a flop like gayle don't have crazy fans mass streaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlo_98 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 If New Jeans can release this kind of quality for their 1st album, they can get all the Daesangs 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto6 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) People need to realize that pop culture is not like what it used to be. Everything is kinda a niche nowadays since people can now self choose everything they wanna see and hear. Just like how I recently found my own niche with Kpop 2 years ago, and haven’t really caught up with western music ever since. Like I can promise you that most of the global GP including myself do not know most of these artists that have topped the Hot 100 in the last 3 years. Everything is mostly carried by their niche groups nowadays. The bigger the niche group, the bigger the success. However TikTok is now the only place nowadays where artists can reach out of their niche base and reach new people, just like how Cupid and other Kpop songs did. I recently caught my str8 friends who have nothing to do with Kpop, singing along to songs like Money and HYLT, and when I asked them were they knew those songs from , they said because of TikTok. In short, Charts do not reflect whether a song is a hit or recognized globally nowadays like they used to. BP headlining Coachella without a single top 10 hit in the US is a proof of that. Edited June 10, 2023 by Pluto2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fais_2311 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: Soon SKZ and ENHYPEN will become the only 4th gen bgs to have multiple songs with 200m streams Is it Maniac? My fave noise from SKZ so My album arrived yesterday. Did you get yours? Seungmin failed to show up. Even though I pulled mostly the popular lines (Lee Know, Hyunjin, Felix), I’m still struggling to trade these to Seungmin photocard. He’s definitely in his most demanded era this time. Many fans are looking for his photocards. At least none of the 3Ratcha showed up It’s impossible to trade pc if you got them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adama Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 So when did SK dropped BT$? Bc they can’t even chart in Melon 24 hits top 10 anymore and all the solos flopped … Is it the first time that a top group don’t have any solo hits ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustMe. Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, armink said: Like do ya'll even really like this genre if you insist on constantly putting it down so much? It’s not their faves that are achieving it they're serving bitterness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winmill De Kwynn Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, karlo_98 said: If New Jeans can release this kind of quality for their 1st album, they can get all the Daesangs The way I don't use only 1 song from this full album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudbusting Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 once in a while i remember that Alyssa Milano (yes the actress) had a jpop career and also performed on an old Korean music show and it sends me for a few minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siratakexxx Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, Green Tea Is Green said: Well duh, faceless hits exist they don't gotta know who gayle is, just like people don't know what a fifty fifty is but know cupid, the differece is the likes of a flop like gayle don't have crazy fans mass streaming Dedicated =/= crazy Sasaeng (Nayeon for e.g) = crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovatos Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Certain people in this thread stay obsessed with BTS and trying to downplay their success and impact Ngl, it’s kind of funny to witness 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Tea Is Green Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, siratakexxx said: Dedicated =/= crazy Sasaeng (Nayeon for e.g) = crazy Whatever adjective you wanna use, it still applies to the point of #s being inflated due to fans And this doesn't just apply to the biggest groups obviously, it's a thing through the entire genre to different degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto6 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, fais_2311 said: Is it Maniac? My fave noise from SKZ so My album arrived yesterday. Did you get yours? Seungmin failed to show up. Even though I pulled mostly the popular lines (Lee Know, Hyunjin, Felix), I’m still struggling to trade these to Seungmin photocard. He’s definitely in his most demanded era this time. Many fans are looking for his photocards. At least none of the 3Ratcha showed up It’s impossible to trade pc if you got them Maniac, Thunderous & Back Door are pushing 200M, so they will soon tie NJ with having the most songs over 200M streams (4 songs) ----------------- The thing is that I have actually never bought an album in my entire life But, you're lucky for getting the photocard trinity! I'm glad that Seungmin is getting some love as well though! Is Bang Chan really that unpopular with photocards though? He's literally the 3rd most popular member along with Lee Know? Chan is arguably the most recognized member along with Felix, and is basically the Soyeon of the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siratakexxx Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Green Tea Is Green said: Whatever adjective you wanna use, it still applies to the point of #s being inflated due to fans And this doesn't just apply to the biggest groups obviously, it's a thing through the entire genre to different degrees That doesn't make them crazy, because they did not bring any harm to anyone. Dedicated fans is good for spirit of competition, they are the reason why Kpop survive and growing big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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