shookspeare Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 yes it was always creepy but no one cared in 2011
XAMJ Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 Yes but I was told my mind was sick for thinking like this
meangreen11 Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 Any relationship with a large age gap where the older person met the younger one as a CHILD is problematic tbf.
Zack Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, meangreen11 said: Any relationship with a large age gap where the older person met the younger one as a CHILD is problematic tbf. So basically Edward and Bella's relationship too, which is between a 17 year old girl and a 104 year old man, emotionally abusive, creepy and the whole premise of it centers on her essentially romanticizing and then actually committing suicide so that she could become undead and damned like him. Add this to the Renesmee mess (horrible name too btw) and idk if this book would fly in 2022. It's dreadful.
Material Girl Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 if i remember right stephanie meyer tried to write it in a way where it wasn't supposed to romantic at first and jacob was more of a protector or whatever really it was just lazy writing to end the love triangle and didn't seem fully thought out (like most of the series)
ElectricFrancis Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 It’s problematic but aren’t they beasts?
TROPICUM Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Isn't this the same thing as when people say they'll "wait until he/she turns 18"? So yes it's gross. That author has made questionable choices and the way she acted on set was... interesting.
Illuminati Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Didn't he also "imprint" (cum) on her or something
Bubble Tea Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Zack said: So basically Edward and Bella's relationship too, which is between a 17 year old girl and a 104 year old man, emotionally abusive, creepy and the whole premise of it centers on her essentially romanticizing and then actually committing suicide so that she could become undead and damned like him. Add this to the Renesmee mess (horrible name too btw) and idk if this book would fly in 2022. It's dreadful.
TaggedGalaxy Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 I always hated this plot point, not only was it weird but it was a cop out way to end the love triangle and to have everyone live happily ever after and matched up with someone else
eleganceislearned Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 It was gross. Stephanie Meyer has no shame. They really could've let that plot point go for the movie. 29 minutes ago, meangreen11 said: Any relationship with a large age gap where the older person met the younger one as a CHILD is problematic tbf. Gendry & Arya from GoT kind of fall into this trope, though in the books Gendry is much closer in age (either that, or Joe Dempsie was playing way younger than his age, IDK)
Sheep Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 The author’s starting point Harry Potter erotic fanfiction. Sorry to anybody this offends but it’s not shocking to me that somebody like that would romanticize any of the things mentioned in this thread.
Illuminati Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, Zack said: So basically Edward and Bella's relationship too, which is between a 17 year old girl and a 104 year old man, emotionally abusive, creepy and the whole premise of it centers on her essentially romanticizing and then actually committing suicide so that she could become undead and damned like him. Add this to the Renesmee mess (horrible name too btw) and idk if this book would fly in 2022. It's dreadful. Wait this is kinda the plot of AHS Murderhouse too
MusicFan98 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 Kim, there are actually real, made of flesh and bone, people dying.
karron0624 Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 40 minutes ago, XAMJ said: Yes but I was told my mind was sick for thinking like this You kinda are tbh ?. 15 minutes ago, Material Girl said: if i remember right stephanie meyer tried to write it in a way where it wasn't supposed to romantic at first and jacob was more of a protector or whatever really it was just lazy writing to end the love triangle and didn't seem fully thought out (like most of the series) Thats how it was written. The book specifically states that jacob found the idea of a relationship with Nessie disgusting and was repulsed. The whole point with imprinting is that you are soul mates and the wolf takes the form of whatever the mate wants. I.e if they want an older brother, they get an older brother, a friend a best friend. If Nessie never wanted to be lovers, Jacob would never want to be a lover to Nessie. The power dynamic is controlled by Nessie. It’s why Jacob hated the idea and Sam’s problems being the first wolf to transform was traumatic. He had no feelings from Emily, then felt the need to be everything she needed him to be. It’s why he spilled all the secrets to her, and then waited for her to make a determination of what relationship she wanted. I.e, “if Emiliy had told Sam to go away and never return, he would have obeyed as that is what the imprintee wanted.” Lesson of the story is imprinting does not equal a sexual relationship. Imprinting equals a soul mate where the imprintee determines what relationship they desire.
Kylizzle Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Century said: The author’s starting point Harry Potter erotic fanfiction. Sorry to anybody this offends but it’s not shocking to me that somebody like that would romanticize any of the things mentioned in this thread. You're thinking of Cassandra Clare, not Stephenie Meyer. OT: Yes and Jacob should've been killed off instead
Phaunzie Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) It is fantasy, between literal werewolf and Vampire. It is weird? yes, problematic? somewhat however the literal context is that he is a immortal werewolf as long as Renesmee is alive. So in a in universe sense it isn't weird or as problematic when you realise that she will eventually reach maturity and age until vampires become immortal which seems to be adulthood. Best way to think about is that he is her eternal protector. I don't think he will groom her to like him, more so just be her best friend or loyal protector in any case she needs to be protect. But I don't know man, it is making my brain hurt trying make sense of the ethics of immortality from a mortal perceptive. Edited November 30, 2022 by Phaunzie
Kimmo Posted November 30, 2022 Author Posted November 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Phaunzie said: I don't know man, it is making my brain hurt trying make sense of the ethics of immortality from a mortal perceptive. And what did you come up with?
Phaunzie Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 54 minutes ago, Illuminati said: Didn't he also "imprint" (cum) on her or something What? No he didn't. Why would you think that? Imprinting is just a soul link basically, more metaphysical than physical.
Phaunzie Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kimmo said: And what did you come up with? I found the wiki, and it has the stages from imprinting. 1st stage, if the imprintee is young, the imprinter acts like an older sibling 2nd stage, the imprinted act like a best friend when the imprintee get older 3rd stage, the imprinted and imprinter become intimate friends meaning feelings turn romantic for the imprinter however the imprinted doesn't always have those feeling i.e like the Jacob, and Bella relationship in the books and movie. 4th stage: At full maturity (probably 20+) romantic love in the imprinted but the imprinted doesn't always have those feelings. Basically it seems like imprinting doesn't influence the imprinted's mind and they could end just really close friends when she grows into a woman.
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