By the Water Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 People throwing tantrums because they didn’t get what they wanted Australians of all people complaining 2
Headlock Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Cloröx said: Blaming high shipping/logistic cost kinda lame because she definitely will sell out and generate ample revenue to cover back the cost. Clearly not or else she would have done it Also this does not address my other point about promoters in these countries likely am being unable to afford Taylor’s booking fee.
Headlock Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Cloröx said: If logistic is the problem then she won't tour Singapore to begin with. She did Red Tour in Malaysia and Philippines before, generated profits despite lower capacity Yes, in an arena with a smaller stage than the US arena shows, therefore directly proving our point Edited June 21, 2023 by Headlock
Imogene Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 I don't really believe that she will add more places, maybe just more shows if they well out well. She released new merch and all international dates are included.
Into The Void Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) I don't think people realize how detrimental touring is to the body. Like she does 3 or so 3 hr shows in a row. That is exhausting. Give her a break Edited June 21, 2023 by Insanity 1
Headlock Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said: https://www.facebook.com/100044454818615/posts/pfbid025pRQq3yY88SxFBvZsWwz84aiztf3TXvFc8J5WBNVBopugeBJAjdXs4xn5FjxkW2Ql/?mibextid=CDWPTG Whole country is begging her. The fact she ignored PH will never sit right with anyone. Big blunder from her team. Do you ever not think Taylor’s career is imploding
BryceG Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 57 minutes ago, TaylorNation said: can they not travel? idk It brings tourism to the host cities. If the city is prepared to partly pay for the gig, why not add these extra cities and dates?
BryceG Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, Joesuxx said: pertinent grievances on my behalf than a tour not visiting my area. It’s a massive tourism boost that helps the entire city. So it is important.
ATRL Moderator wehavetostan Posted June 21, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 21, 2023 37 minutes ago, FolkLover1989 said: Whole country is begging her. The fact she ignored PH will never sit right with anyone. Big blunder from her team. There’s no stadiums big enough for her there (and can fit her stage)
Headlock Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, cat1867 said: Revenue is there in Asia but profit might not be. Europe has much cheaper transportation costs while most of Asia requires her 90 trucks worth of stuff to be put on boats which is significantly more expensive. Back in the red era, her production was significantly smaller so the drastic difference in transportation cost mattered less. Yes, and to further underscore this, even then she still downsized the tour’s production and stage further when touring SEA for Red. Which isn’t even taking into account the most obvious difference that these were arena shows and she’s playing stadium shows with a stage that will only fit in stadiums, and it’s clear she is not compromising her production at any tour stop. I guarantee you if she was touring SEA but then showed up with a smaller stage/downsized production these same people would still be dragging her. Like, Taylor has many things to drag her for, but her doing 100+ stadium shows across the globe (FINALLY!!), with more shows to be added in nearly all cities, is not one of those things
Badgalbriel Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, vale9001 said: Are the australians really coming with "her obsession with Europe" when she never toured here and always there At the end of the day she's gonna make like 7-8 dates there and they are 30M, that's the population of Texas . Who cares if the demand is bigger, in the Us she could have done at least 75 dates but she must visit all the fans in the world. She can't always make 20 dates in Australia (now an album there sells 70K copies after 2 years in the top10) and never Europe or South america. And they're getting at least 10 dates when it's all said and done. Their entire country has less people than the city of Sao Paulo, where she's only doing 3 shows. Bunch of cry babies
Lemon Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 People need to understand that there are fans who will see Taylor for the first time ever, mainly speaking about Eastern Europe and Southeastern Europe ( thanks to Poland and Austria ). And even then, many are still Probably failing to definitely get tickets. It is impossible to satisfy everyone, I am sure Taylor herself would want that, but obviously there are technical and logistics aspects that also play big role into all of this. It’s really struggle. But I am happy that she is opening doors to other countries as well. And while some omitted countries are definitely going to be included in the future tours, countries like Estonia, Croatia will probably never see her directly ( which is understanable of course due to nature of things ), so we should also consider that. 1
Badgalbriel Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Additionally, hasn't she toured SEA before? Why the heck are they complaining? It's time she finally give other markets a show.
Peroxide Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, FolkLover1989 said: I'm sorry but this is TOO much. Lord... SEA fans - I can absolutely understand the disappointment, 3 dates in Singapore must be bitterly upsetting... but Australia is getting 5 dates (possibly even more) across 2 major cities... that's more than what a lot of countries are getting.
Cloröx Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, By the Water said: People throwing tantrums because they didn’t get what they deserved Australians of all people complaining There I fixed it for you
Badgalbriel Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Joesuxx said: I mean Taylor swift is incredible and we can say “ha impact” all we darn well like. But if these were my ministers, paid out of my wage, I’d want them to be filing much more important, pertinent grievances on my behalf than a tour not visiting my area. Yeah, because one person is not capable speaking on more than one topic.
zhacky98 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 I don't think really that it is logistics issue on why there is lack of Asian dates. I guess it has to do that the requirements are not met. For example for PH, no big enough stadiums. There's the case also that Taylor might be to expensive for the promoters. Because if it's logistics issue. Then why we have a 1 week difference between Japan and Australia, Australia and Singapore.
Cloröx Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Headlock said: Yes, in an arena with a smaller stage than the US arena shows, therefore directly proving our point You didn't get our point hun
Badgalbriel Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, zhacky98 said: I don't think really that it is logistics issue on why there is lack of Asian dates. I guess it has to do that the requirements are not met. For example for PH, no big enough stadiums. There's the case also that Taylor might be to expensive for the promoters. Because if it's logistics issue. Then why we have a 1 week difference between Japan and Australia, Australia and Singapore. That's a logistic issue
Cloröx Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, zhacky98 said: I don't think really that it is logistics issue on why there is lack of Asian dates. I guess it has to do that the requirements are not met. For example for PH, no big enough stadiums. There's the case also that Taylor might be to expensive for the promoters. Because if it's logistics issue. Then why we have a 1 week difference between Japan and Australia, Australia and Singapore. Exactly, I swear if that bish has some kind of shady deal with Singapore gov to boost tourism there which explain "THE ONLY STOP IN SOUTHEAST ASIA"
Lemon Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 True, she has toured before omitted countries/cities and she will definitely tour them in the future as opposed to European and South American countries that basically are getting access for the first time now.
Badgalbriel Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cloröx said: You didn't get our point hun Sis, we get you, it's saddening. But there must have been issues behind the scenes that you clearly don't understand. Every insider is saying that she tried. It failed. That's sad. But she has toured SEA before. It's not the end of the world. You guys have already seen her.
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