Holiest Dreams Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Beyonnaise said: Could skipping Canada just be because it didn’t have an NFL-sized stadium? She played to 50k two nights at Rogers Centre on the Reputation Tour, but most of her dates on this tour are over 70k attendance (plus she played two nights in Detroit which is right on the Ontario border.) Yeah, one of my close friends who is very knowledgeable about touring and all the logistics behind it said it’s most likely due to Rogers being a bit small. I assume (without checking again) that her stage would fit, but it wouldn’t really be worth it in the end. The larger stadiums are located more in the French speaking regions or in lesser known cities apparently (someone correct me if I’m wrong though, just going off memory here). So all of that would make sense as to why she’s not going, although it sucks because she could do a small residency for sure.
TeeJay Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Rocket said: He performed in the round in Melbourne, hence the large number. Again, Taylor loses a good chunk of seating due to her staging, so hitting the 100k capacity is out of the question. You completely either missed or ignored their point. We know Ed is playing in the round, their point was that despite that, Taylor has still surpassed his attendance in many shows despite not being in the round therefore it is possible, they believe, for her to surpass his attendance of 105k in menbourne.
Rep2000 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Popboi. said: Could also be to release 1989 TV or reputation TV. The only big gap this year is September that was originally the slot for Speak Now TV. If she announces 1989TV or repTV at either australian dates or sing dates and I miss it, I'm gonna be furious for the rest of my life
Rocket Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, TeeJay said: You completely either missed or ignored their point. We know Ed is playing in the round, their point was that despite that, Taylor has still surpassed his attendance in many shows despite not being in the round therefore it is possible, they believe, for her to surpass his attendance of 105k in menbourne. And I pointed out that how can you surpass his attendance of 105k in Melbourne at the same venue if you're blocking off a big section of seating behind the stage.
Popboi. Posted June 21, 2023 Author Posted June 21, 2023 Despite not being on the round, the logistics in the stage and the huge amount of partial view seats it allows increases a lot the amount of seats compared to other end-stage configurations.
TeeJay Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Rocket said: And I pointed out that how can you surpass his attendance of 105k in Melbourne at the same venue if you're blocking off a big section of seating behind the stage. well she's managed to do it multiple times already this tour so you tell me?
RobynYoBank Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Rocket said: And I pointed out that how can you surpass his attendance of 105k in Melbourne at the same venue if you're blocking off a big section of seating behind the stage. The same way she's doing it in the US. Extensive floor seating + obstructed view seating.
Holiest Dreams Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Headlock said: She is clearly going to add more dates to both cities Yeah, the schedule is wide open in the time period before Tokyo and the time period after Singapore. I fear demand is going to be so big that she could add another several dates in Tokyo on the weekend prior to the initial batch of dates. As for Singapore she has so much time open she could perform for several more weekends. Even that may not meet the full demand but it would suffice and be more/less the same as doing less dates in more countries. With all of this said, 2 things: 1. I wish she booked Japan National Stadium instead of Tokyo Dome. It has a significantly higher capacity and is brand new. Sort of surprised she didn’t go there. 2. I wonder if she could still have dates in Korea and Thailand. With how much time there is between Singapore and France, there’s plenty of space for not only more shows in Singapore but also stops in those two countries if she wanted. She’s not that huge in Korea but is still known and it would be easier to travel there for surrounding countries than it would for Japan. Plus their new stadium in Seoul (Jamsil Olympic Stadium) is huge and gorgeous. She could probably do at least two shows there. And as for Thailand, they have Rajamangala Stadium which has 50k+ capacity and the demand would be massive there. Let’s see if either of those can happen still, because they seem like the only other viable options for Asia.
IBeMe Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said: But yeah it sucks for Asian Swifties, she can’t do much about it bc of logistics and they did try to negotiate for several other stops, but it didn’t work out in the end. Maybe next time she can have a smaller stage or something and it’ll be possible. can you elaborate on that por favor. I had no clue they were seriously considering other countries in Asia. As a Canadian fan I am kinda sad she isnt coming tbh...its low key shocking to me
byzantium Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said: Yeah, the schedule is wide open in the time period before Tokyo and the time period after Singapore. I fear demand is going to be so big that she could add another several dates in Tokyo on the weekend prior to the initial batch of dates. As for Singapore she has so much time open she could perform for several more weekends. Even that may not meet the full demand but it would suffice and be more/less the same as doing less dates in more countries. With all of this said, 2 things: 1. I wish she booked Japan National Stadium instead of Tokyo Dome. It has a significantly higher capacity and is brand new. Sort of surprised she didn’t go there. 2. I wonder if she could still have dates in Korea and Thailand. With how much time there is between Singapore and France, there’s plenty of space for not only more shows in Singapore but also stops in those two countries if she wanted. She’s not that huge in Korea but is still known and it would be easier to travel there for surrounding countries than it would for Japan. Plus their new stadium in Seoul (Jamsil Olympic Stadium) is huge and gorgeous. She could probably do at least two shows there. And as for Thailand, they have Rajamangala Stadium which has 50k+ capacity and the demand would be massive there. Let’s see if either of those can happen still, because they seem like the only other viable options for Asia. I too wished that she booked the Japan National Stadium, but it is cold in Tokyo in winter so it had to be indoors. That is also why she likely can't do Seoul.
Holiest Dreams Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, IBeMe said: can you elaborate on that por favor. I had no clue they were seriously considering other countries in Asia. As a Canadian fan I am kinda sad she isnt coming tbh...its low key shocking to me Yes, I don’t have the receipts with me rn but someone else might. Several insiders (or people along those lines) have talked about her team holding negotiations that fell through. I think they were for Malaysia, Indonesia and maybe Thailand. I still have hope she will somehow be able to go to Thailand (and Korea) though… Yeah, Canada is surprising but when you consider the logistics it’s apparently harder than you’d imagine. I posted about it just above, though… I’m not Canadian so you may be able to tell me if not quite correct lol. I guess there just has to be some reason along those lines since it’s a big market for her and something she shouldn’t skip. But it’s apparently the same reason she’s not doing Belgium because their main stadium is not supportive of her stage layout. It kinda does suck tho since there are probably quite a lot of Canadian fans who didn’t even try to get US tickets because they didn’t know she wouldn’t be announcing any for there.
Holiest Dreams Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, byzantium said: I too wished that she booked the Japan National Stadium, but it is cold in Tokyo in winter so it had to be indoors. That is also why she likely can't do Seoul. Oh no, so it doesn’t have a roof at all? Definitely didn’t know that but it makes sense then why she isn’t going for it. Lemme be delusional and hope she finds a way to visit Seoul later in 2024 because the photos and videos to come from that stadium would be gorgeous just like the ones from BTS & IU’s shows
byzantium Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, IBeMe said: can you elaborate on that por favor. I had no clue they were seriously considering other countries in Asia. As a Canadian fan I am kinda sad she isnt coming tbh...its low key shocking to me From what I gather on this site, they were in negotiations for multiple places in Latin America and Asia. Because the touring market is not as developed as that in Europe and North America, they probably had to make a more piecemeal effort with multiple promoters. Given the size of the stage and the likely high upfront fee, its likely many promoters in smaller markets would not necessarily want the tour. It is not surprising that Europe received more dates just accounting for logistics. Unfortunate, but not surprising. I was hoping that the political situation would have been better to allow for a multidate stadium tour in mainland China, but I do not think that is likely.
SoSickOfThatSOL Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, IBeMe said: is she SERIOUSLY not doing Canada I have been sitting on some money I saved for this for AGES now and I legit did not buy US tickets cuz I just assumed shed come here cuz like EVERYONE comes here at least to Toronto like I feel sad :( Same here I feel so stupid. I was clinging on the hope to get something for the Latam dates and couldn’t get anything.
byzantium Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said: Oh no, so it doesn’t have a roof at all? Definitely didn’t know that but it makes sense then why she isn’t going for it. Lemme be delusional and hope she finds a way to visit Seoul later in 2024 because the photos and videos to come from that stadium would be gorgeous just like the ones from BTS & IU’s shows I would love to see here put the stage on a boat and do some final shows in Seoul where she can invite IU on stage and we can finally have the two powerhouses together. 1
byzantium Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, SoSickOfThatSOL said: Same here I feel so stupid. I was clinging on the hope to get something for the Latam dates and couldn’t get anything. I understand why she might not go to Toronto and Vancouver but why not Montreal? Is the Olympic Stadium a bad venue?
Lorenzo22 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 53 minutes ago, byzantium said: So is she going to run out of surprise songs? I would hope she starts repeating before digging up the worst songs of her discography. i don’t think so, she can repeat midnights tracks as much as she wants and vault tracks will keep coming out for the rest of the tour 1
Rep2000 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, IBeMe said: can you elaborate on that por favor. I had no clue they were seriously considering other countries in Asia. As a Canadian fan I am kinda sad she isnt coming tbh...its low key shocking to me Well, if you have a look at Asia map, you would notice that if you wanna ship a humongous stage around, it would have to be via ships. Unlike America or EU, which can be shipped via trucks/trains and take significantly less time to do so. Plus freight cost for international touring cost 3 times more than before the pandemic. Not to mention the tons of fees to enter and perform in each country per night, which is not a case for EU touring. EU has the world's best support system for touring with their infrastructures, promoter network, etc. China is having a whole Hallyu Ban, which bans foreign artists to do concert in the country (even BTS can't enter). So no Taiwan either. Malaysia and Indonesia have huge conservative majority and her tour would be considered as haram here. And her huge stage would mean most of Asia won't have stadiums big enough for her. 1
WildHeart Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, TeeJay said: You completely either missed or ignored their point. We know Ed is playing in the round, their point was that despite that, Taylor has still surpassed his attendance in many shows despite not being in the round therefore it is possible, they believe, for her to surpass his attendance of 105k in menbourne. Because Ed is struggling to sell some shows in the US unlike Australia. He is playing 60-70k with 360 shows when he should play to 80-90k people if it was sold out. Same thing won't happen in Australia because he sold out all seats there. Edited June 21, 2023 by Artistofthedecade
fridayteenage Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 are other countries stricter about filming concerts than the US? i've gotten used to watching all the surprise performances on livestreams...
Cloröx Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Headlock said: And those shows didn’t get the full stage that the US tour had, because it was not cost effective. I don’t think some people in here understand how expensive and insane the logistics are for touring in SEA. Europe, aside from being connected by land and trains, is also all one union, so traveling between countries is a breeze with endless trucks and crew members. Artists who tour SEA have to literally ship their stage between each country, not to mention the tariffs they have to pay in doing so. Yes, some artists are willing to eat some of the cost, but Taylor’s tour likely would not be as profitable as she desires if she did so. She is not Mother Theresa, she is a staunch capitalist, she’s not touring only out of the goodness of her heart This is also to say that some of these countries are not as wealthy, and therefore could not afford Taylor’s deposit fee for playing there, even if they could figure out the logistics of getting the stage there. All this to say, she 100% would have added the Philippines anyway but they don’t have a venue that fits her stage And China would be perfect, as their infrastructure is capable of shipping the stage around, but politically it is probably dicey. Blaming high shipping/logistic cost kinda lame because she definitely will sell out and generate ample revenue to cover back the cost. She's just lazy and racist SEA basically her biggest fan but she keeps paying us dust I hate her
JawBreaker Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 What is that big black thing at the back of the seating charts for the Australian shows? DELETE IT or put it somewhere else and make more seats available back there. Also do they really need 2 celeb tents taking up all that space? Who the hell gon be in there the koalas, 5 SOS, Cody Simpson, tasmanian devils and kangaroos?? 1
FolkLover1989 Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) After increase Eras Tour will have around 41 dates in EU. Bigger than Sweet and Sticky tour I think Let's see how mant actually get announced Edited June 21, 2023 by FolkLover1989
Ms. Togekiss Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Cloröx said: Blaming high shipping/logistic cost kinda lame because she definitely will sell out and generate ample revenue to cover back the cost. She's just lazy and racist SEA basically her biggest fan but she keeps paying us dust I hate her Anyone disregarding logistics as the main factor in her not touring that side of the world is just outright being dumb tbh
Cloröx Posted June 21, 2023 Posted June 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, Rep2000 said: Well, if you have a look at Asia map, you would notice that if you wanna ship a humongous stage around, it would have to be via ships. Unlike America or EU, which can be shipped via trucks/trains and take significantly less time to do so. Plus freight cost for international touring cost 3 times more than before the pandemic. Not to mention the tons of fees to enter and perform in each country per night, which is not a case for EU touring. EU has the world's best support system for touring with their infrastructures, promoter network, etc. China is having a whole Hallyu Ban, which bans foreign artists to do concert in the country (even BTS can't enter). So no Taiwan either. Malaysia and Indonesia have huge conservative majority and her tour would be considered as haram here. And her huge stage would mean most of Asia won't have stadiums big enough for her. Coldplay has no issue touring in Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Taiwan etc. Her ticket is more expensive than Coldplay in Singapore, she will generate more money so what's her real problem
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