discussion Russia starts to retreat from parts of Ukraine after losses

[AlanRickman1946]

 

[ontherocks]

It just gets better.

 

[Living To Tell]

 

[greeneyedsoul]

L after L for Puta... 

[Daddy]

LOSER! 

[CakeLikeLG]

the way Ruzzia went from Witness era to Smile in half a year 

[flower moon]

oh wow

[Mandalay]

Some news outlets start to report that Putin could be ousted. Unlikely I know but it's a kii.

[Saddy]

[Robert]

We love to see it Once the war is over hopefully Ukraine can join the EU.

 

On 9/10/2022 at 5:19 PM, antoine_ said:

I hope the end is near and Ukraine wins deservedly. We need EU to drop immediately the sanctions afterwards, since the prices and the inflation will be unbearable in the winter tho

Being so reliant on Russia is a big part of what caused this crisis in the first place.

[AlanRickman1946]

Keir Giles, Senior Consulting Fellow of the Russia and Eurasia Programme, Chatham House and one of the experts who took part in the simulation said that after Putin’s death, the Russian elite will be faced with a choice: to do what’s best for the country or to preserve the Putinist regime that has guaranteed them wealth and power

 

 

 

He said: “Putin's close colleagues may therefore be faced with a choice – preserving the Putinist system that until now has guaranteed their power, wealth and personal safety, or instead putting Russia as a country first and placing their bets on change.”

However, Dr Mark Galleoti, Senior Associate Fellow of the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) and another expert involved in the simulation stated that it is more likely that Putin’s successor will be a nationalist figure who will further Putin’s ideology of hatred toward the West.

He said: “It is more likely that a nationalist figure would emerge, or a nationalist government or at least a nationalist policy would be adopted by the new government, and essentially force the elite to maintain Putin's very harsh stance

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1666176/vladimir-putin-west-russia-ukraine-war-usa-kremlin-update

 

 

[greeneyedsoul]

Russia asking for a new round of negotiations now that theyre losing.

[Illuminati]

1 hour ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

Keir Giles, Senior Consulting Fellow of the Russia and Eurasia Programme, Chatham House and one of the experts who took part in the simulation said that after Putin’s death, the Russian elite will be faced with a choice: to do what’s best for the country or to preserve the Putinist regime that has guaranteed them wealth and power

 

 

 

He said: “Putin's close colleagues may therefore be faced with a choice – preserving the Putinist system that until now has guaranteed their power, wealth and personal safety, or instead putting Russia as a country first and placing their bets on change.”

However, Dr Mark Galleoti, Senior Associate Fellow of the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) and another expert involved in the simulation stated that it is more likely that Putin’s successor will be a nationalist figure who will further Putin’s ideology of hatred toward the West.

He said: “It is more likely that a nationalist figure would emerge, or a nationalist government or at least a nationalist policy would be adopted by the new government, and essentially force the elite to maintain Putin's very harsh stance

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1666176/vladimir-putin-west-russia-ukraine-war-usa-kremlin-update

 

 

I don't think that a Russian nationalist government would be worse than it already is. The elite want to preserve their wealth at the expense of regular Russians. Putin on the other hand not only sacrifices his own people but also has strong imperialist ambitions even if it will take decades before any of this benefits the country in any way. He's sinking everyone, the elite, the regular people, for his own ego.

 

Though I'm not surprised that this is all you have to say about Ukraine's massive victory in Kharkiv, your takes on this war in general were very questionable with a clear agenda.

[ZIVERT]

Until Russia chooses to undergo a complete reassessment of their national identity ala West Germany after WWII, I think it doesn’t matter what kind of government Russia has. Until they acknowledge their own aggression, their sense of victimization, and why imperialism is bad, they will always lash out. Russians want all the luxuries and benefits of being in the western world without having western values

[ClashAndBurn]

On 9/10/2022 at 12:19 PM, antoine_ said:

I hope the end is near and Ukraine wins deservedly. We need EU to drop immediately the sanctions afterwards, since the prices and the inflation will be unbearable in the winter tho

For sanctions to be dropped, Russia would have to surrender unconditionally and leave every territory it has illegally annexed since 2014, depose Putin and hand him to international authorities to be tried for war crimes, and pay Ukraine billions of dollars in reparations. They will not agree to any of that, especially while Putin remains alive, so sanctions will remain in place.

[AlanRickman1946]

1 hour ago, Illuminati said:

I don't think that a Russian nationalist government would be worse than it already is. The elite want to preserve their wealth at the expense of regular Russians. Putin on the other hand not only sacrifices his own people but also has strong imperialist ambitions even if it will take decades before any of this benefits the country in any way. He's sinking everyone, the elite, the regular people, for his own ego.

 

Though I'm not surprised that this is all you have to say about Ukraine's massive victory in Kharkiv, your takes on this war in general were very questionable with a clear agenda.

I think we should just go by facts and opinions from experts rather than imagining what someone's "agenda" is...

[RussianRoulette]

[Aethereal]

On 9/10/2022 at 7:05 PM, ontherocks said:

I think this is it for Russia. With the Ukranian forces now heading towards Luhansk Oblast and continuing to win more ground around Kherson, this is it. 

Apparently they are also attacking the Donezk airport, too. 

That's good. I can see Ukraine taking everything back before December. Let's hope Russia wont make a comeback. 

[Illuminati]

3 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

I think we should just go by facts and opinions from experts rather than imagining what someone's "agenda" is...

I've seen how you handpick expert opinions that fit your personal bias. You aren't as slick as you think you are But sure!

[AlanRickman1946]

2 minutes ago, Illuminati said:

I've seen how you handpick expert opinions that fit your personal bias. You aren't as slick as you think you are But sure!

Go ahead and post whatever expert opinions that you want. That way this thread will be more balanced for you.

[Dula Peep]

On 9/10/2022 at 1:16 PM, Happylittlepunk said:

I am a bit worried that Russia will be a sore loser and try to use nukes though.

MTE

[Cloudy]

5 hours ago, ZIVERT said:

Until Russia chooses to undergo a complete reassessment of their national identity ala West Germany after WWII, I think it doesn’t matter what kind of government Russia has. Until they acknowledge their own aggression, their sense of victimization, and why imperialism is bad, they will always lash out. Russians want all the luxuries and benefits of being in the western world without having western values

Exactly. Until Russia finally is ready to do some instropection and once and for all their futile ambitions and delusions of being a global super power ala USA or China nothing will change. My question is if this keeps going how much will ordinary Russians take until some kind of "revolution" happens. Yesterday and today I saw on TV how hardly the sanctions are affecting them and whew it's bad, I don't think China will continue to carry them on indefinitely

[anti-bitch]

6 hours ago, ZIVERT said:

Until Russia chooses to undergo a complete reassessment of their national identity ala West Germany after WWII, I think it doesn’t matter what kind of government Russia has. Until they acknowledge their own aggression, their sense of victimization, and why imperialism is bad, they will always lash out. Russians want all the luxuries and benefits of being in the western world without having western values

In many ways Russia was given a free pass for their war crimes in WWII because they helped to stop the Nazis. In East Germany there's been healing and accountability only ever since the Berlin Wall was struck down. And to this day the former West German region habitats have a higher life expectancy than the Eastern ones. That should tell everyone that the Western way of life simply is better. Economical prosperity and liberal social values go hand in hand absolutely.

[Mandalay]

19 hours ago, RussianRoulette said: