album Taylor Swift - ‘Midnights’

[liam13]

1 hour ago, Arrows said:

She has many already.

 

However, I feel like the thing about Taylor’s music is that it’s somehow meant for listening to alone or in small groups of people. With headphones, in the car, in your room. You don’t put on a Taylor song at a loud party or as chill background music in a social context imo. Maybe at a girls’ slumber party or karaoke night… Which I think is why a lot of users here downplay her hits.

i mean the kinda smash that increases in streams days after released. in her cases, they all went down, not up.

 

bold part: not you saying this when theres literally videos of locals singing YBWM in arenas.

i dont think she'd never have another SIO, LS or YBWM but she could surprise me

[Holiest Dreams]

6 minutes ago, liam13 said:

i mean the kinda smash that increases in streams days after released. in her cases, they all went down, not up.

 

bold part: not you saying this when theres literally videos of locals singing YBWM in arenas.

i dont think she'd never have another SIO, LS or YBWM but she could surprise me

She just went to someone else’s concert the other day and performed Anti-Hero and the entire crowd screamed every word back to her, including Jack’s “Taylor you’ll be fine” adlib that’s only included on a remix  

 

She got another SIO, LS, YBWM with AH. They can’t really be compared due to the difference in digital vs streaming era, but point is that it’s absolutely amongst her top hits. Everyone is going to look silly when it’s getting better recurrents than every other song from this time period (sans AIW) a year and so on from now. Just like Blank Space vs. the songs it competed with (and were bigger at the time)  

[liam13]

1 hour ago, Klein said:

I really don't understand these types of comments. What are Love Story, You Belong With Me, I Knew You Were Trouble, Shake It Off, Blank Space or Anti-Hero if they are not smash hits? 

 

She just never had THEE biggest song of the year because her audience actually care about her entire albums. The attention is not entirely concentrated on one single, and never has. 

 

If people were focused on her singles the same way they are on the Flowers/AIW-type smash hits, Taylor would have never been so insanely successful with her albums. She wouldn't easily be the most streamed artist. She wouldn't be charting 9 albums on the BB200 or in any other country. She wouldn't have one of the most acclaimed discography among mainstream artists. She wouldn't be getting these kind of touring numbers. 

Anti-Hero is doing good but im not gonna call it a smash like the former listed songs. tbh i dont feel like its the same type of smash hits like flowers, circle, stay, eom, aiw,...

i think i should've said "i wonder if she'll ever have a smash like flowers in the future". (english is not my 1st language so pls forgive me )

[wsurferwayne]

If taylor wants to have a hit bigger than sio/bs, maybe she could consider to switch from republic to columbia?

Republic has not been great with artists lately if i am not wrong?

Besides columbia has been stepping it up and definitely would want to take in taylor

Edited January 19, 2023 by wsurferwayne

[liam13]

4 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

She just went to someone else’s concert the other day and performed Anti-Hero and the entire crowd screamed every word back to her, including Jack’s “Taylor you’ll be fine” adlib that’s only included on a remix  

 

She got another SIO, LS, YBWM with AH. They can’t really be compared due to the difference in digital vs streaming era, but point is that it’s absolutely amongst her top hits. Everyone is going to look silly when it’s getting better recurrents than every other song from this time period (sans AIW) a year and so on from now. Just like Blank Space vs. the songs it competed with (and were bigger at the time)  

you mean the 1975's concert? filled w white girls and gays? pls

[Arrows]

20 minutes ago, liam13 said:

i mean the kinda smash that increases in streams days after released. in her cases, they all went down, not up.

She’s too big for this to happen. Miley does not have as many people waiting to stream at the very second her song drops as Taylor. There’s room for word of mouth the second day to spread the news of a new Miley song, 

[wsurferwayne]

13 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

She just went to someone else’s concert the other day and performed Anti-Hero and the entire crowd screamed every word back to her, including Jack’s “Taylor you’ll be fine” adlib that’s only included on a remix  

 

She got another SIO, LS, YBWM with AH. They can’t really be compared due to the difference in digital vs streaming era, but point is that it’s absolutely amongst her top hits. Everyone is going to look silly when it’s getting better recurrents than every other song from this time period (sans AIW) a year and so on from now. Just like Blank Space vs. the songs it competed with (and were bigger at the time)  

she could have gotten a 2nd consecutive global smash with LH as well, she could have release AH as a pre-released lead single. And release LH as the 2nd single during the album release day!! Hope she gives us LH MV sooner or later, at least it will boost its daily streams on spotify!!

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, Arrows said:

She’s too big for this to happen. Miley does not have as many people waiting to stream at the very second her song drops as Taylor. There’s room for word of mouth the second day to spread the news of a new Miley song, 

This. She is not an underdog. Anti-Hero opened with 17M streams + 19 other songs to compete with. There is no room for increases at all. 

 

 

1 minute ago, wsurferwayne said:

she could have gotten a 2nd consecutive global smash with LH as well, she could have release AH as a pre-released lead single. And release LH as the 2nd single during the album release day!! Hope she gives us LH MV sooner or later, at least it will boost its daily streams on spotify!!

And if she had released Anti-Hero as a pre-released single, the album would have never ever been close to the success it got. The reason Midnights was so successful upon release is because nobody knew the type of music we would be getting. Everybody was perched to see where she would be going post folkmore. I wouldn't trade the album success for a maybe additional hit single. 

[liam13]

18 minutes ago, Arrows said:

She’s too big for this to happen. Miley does not have as many people waiting to stream at the very second her song drops as Taylor. There’s room for word of mouth the second day to spread the news of a new Miley song, 

or maybe she should step it up w her song writing because SOS has been extremely stable (last week was even an increase in SEA unit) meanwhile Taylor's latest album, which some of yall love to talk about how ppl listen to them as a whole, decreases pretty fast after a while. even her albums like that, no wonder her singles cant perform well like a real smash. at least when we look at last year's smash hits, they have the streams and the radio airplays meanwhile AH only has radio to stay atop

 

love her but i guess i understand why she feels the need to be seen as successful at this point of her career.

Edited January 19, 2023 by liam13

[Wolf Alice]

7 minutes ago, liam13 said:

or maybe she should step it up w her song writing because SOS has been extremely stable (last week was even an increase in SEA unit) meanwhile Taylor's latest album, which some of yall love to talk about how ppl listen to them as a whole, decreases pretty fast after a while. even her albums like that, no wonder her singles cant perform well like a real smash. at least when we look at last year's smash hits, they have the streams and the radio airplays meanwhile AH only has radio to stay atop

 

love her but i guess i understand why she feels the need to be seen as successful at this point of her career.

Where are the facts? You've used EOM as an example of a smash hit before and it's a fact that AH is pulling more weekly streams than EOM week on week and actually has less total radio than EOM ever did.

And when it comes to the album, Midnights track average has been atleast 10% higher than SOS day to day comparison (even if you forget the first few humongous weeks it had)

Like what do you really want? She is smashing multi format and that is a fact. She is pulling more album numbers than anyone else and that's a fact. Like either pull up the numbers and present your argument or don't misrepresent your "feelings" as facts 

[touch]

Anti-Hero is the longest #1 of her career and tbh, I think it's performing along with the expectations and approaching 500M soon. It's a hit in my eyes 

[youreyesgocold]

6 hours ago, Cleanromantic said:

I said what I said, end of story .

And haunted might as well be the most overrated song of her career .

Ok you can go be tasteless over there and we can just agrih to disagrih  

 

2 hours ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

I fear if she doesn’t capture the innocence and purity of Enchanted or the angst and fear of Haunted, Speak Now TV doesn’t stand a chance..

M’aam you aren’t wrong but WHY would you put pen to paper and manifest this into existence??? Now we’re cursed 

[Klein]

30 minutes ago, liam13 said:

or maybe she should step it up w her song writing because SOS has been extremely stable (last week was even an increase in SEA unit) meanwhile Taylor's latest album, which some of yall love to talk about how ppl listen to them as a whole, decreases pretty fast after a while. even her albums like that, no wonder her singles cant perform well like a real smash. at least when we look at last year's smash hits, they have the streams and the radio airplays meanwhile AH only has radio to stay atop

 

love her but i guess i understand why she feels the need to be seen as successful at this point of her career.

This is laughable. I- 

 

When you have to compare with the most extreme cases of stability for both albums (SOS) or hit (AIW), that says it all. Be serious now. 

 

She is at the very top of the game in pure sales (no competition there), streaming (Bad Bunny is the only competition atp) and touring (I guess the closest competition is Madonna or Beyoncé). But sure, "understand why she feels the need to be seen as successful" 

Edited January 19, 2023 by Klein

[State of Grace.]

Lavender Haze will not be global smasha. She's just not that girl. Karma is the 1.mp3

[liam13]

3 minutes ago, Wolf Alice said:

Where are the facts? You've used EOM as an example of a smash hit before and it's a fact that AH is pulling more weekly streams than EOM week on week and actually has less total radio than EOM ever did.

And when it comes to the album, Midnights track average has been atleast 10% higher than SOS day to day comparison (even if you forget the first few humongous weeks it had)

Like what do you really want? She is smashing multi format and that is a fact. She is pulling more album numbers than anyone else and that's a fact. Like either pull up the numbers and present your argument or don't misrepresent your "feelings" as facts 

I guess EOM was promoted heavily so it altered my mind

 

Ofc Midnights' average streams per track is gonna be higher since SOS has 23 tracks, Midnights has 16. The SEA numbers you can take a look at the BB200 bc i dont really keep up w the numbers. and nothing i said was based solely on my "feelings" because BB200 is there, BBH100 predictions are also there so the numbers are pretty transparent to look at and make judgement.

 

And I didn't say she's not smashing w her discography, like i'm not that dumb

6 minutes ago, Klein said:

But sure, "understand why she feels the need to be seen as successful" 

i mean, shes the only one who discounts her remixes which she releases a whole bunch of in a few days and posts about them so that she stays on top or maybe nobody reports it when others do the same thing nothing wrong with wanting to be #1 but it seems shes the only one doing those things, hence the "inorganic" that OTHs been talking about.

[touch]

11 minutes ago, liam13 said:

i mean, shes the only one who discounts her remixes which she releases a whole bunch of in a few days and posts about them so that she stays on top or maybe nobody reports it when others do the same thing nothing wrong with wanting to be #1 but it seems shes the only one doing those things, hence the "inorganic" that OTHs been talking about.

She's not the only one 

 

 

[PoisonedIvy]

What the hell is happening in here  

[Klein]

29 minutes ago, liam13 said:

I guess EOM was promoted heavily so it altered my mind

 

Ofc Midnights' average streams per track is gonna be higher since SOS has 23 tracks, Midnights has 16. The SEA numbers you can take a look at the BB200 bc i dont really keep up w the numbers. and nothing i said was based solely on my "feelings" because BB200 is there, BBH100 predictions are also there so the numbers are pretty transparent to look at and make judgement.

 

And I didn't say she's not smashing w her discography, like i'm not that dumb

i mean, shes the only one who discounts her remixes which she releases a whole bunch of in a few days and posts about them so that she stays on top or maybe nobody reports it when others do the same thing nothing wrong with wanting to be #1 but it seems shes the only one doing those things, hence the "inorganic" that OTHs been talking about.

At this point I'm not even sure you yourself know what is the point you are trying to make. 

 

In case you didn't know, Midnights has 20 songs. 21 with the Target exclusive Hits Different. 

 

"don"t really keep up w the numbers. and nothing i said was based solely on my feelings" You managed to contradict yourself not even a sentence later. That has to be a record. 

 

Isn't Midnights like top 5 biggest albums released this decade, in a mere 3 months? Why would you expect an album that already moved 3.5M units in the US to keep moving 100k+ each week exactly? 

 

I see you are trying to argue that Midnights is not as stable as SOS or Anti-Hero as stable as As It Was, which is true. But what is your conclusion on that? That she is not successful? Because your comment "the need to be seen as successful" surely implies that.

 

You realise that you don't have to be the absolute best in every single specific metrics in order to be massively successful right? Because, as I said in my previous comment, that you conveniently ignored, "She is at the very top of the game in pure sales (no competition there), streaming (Bad Bunny is the only competition atp) and touring (I guess the closest competition is Madonna or Beyoncé)."

Edited January 19, 2023 by Klein

[Wolf Alice]

Yeah I'm done trying with that user because there is no fact basis for the arguments 

[liam13]

Just now, touch said:

She's not the only one 

Did they discount those songs, post about them on their socials and put them up on their websites for a limited time? the Rihanna's situation was a joke too

anyway, when she doesnt have to pull many tricks in one week, i'll know she has a real smash hit.

2 minutes ago, Klein said:

At this point I'm not even sure you yourself know what is the point you are trying to make. 

 

In case you didn't know, Midnights has 20 songs. 21 with the Target exclusive Hits Different. 

 

"don"t really keep up w the numbers. and nothing i said was based solely on my feelings" You managed to contradict yourself not even a sentence later. That has to be a record. 

 

Isn't Midnights like top 5 biggest albums released this decade, in a mere 3 months? Why would you expect an album that already moved 3.5M units in the US to keep moving 100k+ each week exactly? 

 

I see you are trying to argue that Midnights is not as stable as SOS or Anti-Hero as stable as As It Was, which is true. But what is your conclusion on that? That she is not successful? Because your comment "the need to be seen as successful" surely implies that. 

Oop, my bad. Still tho, 20 vs 23, 10% doesn't look like a big gap for average streams per track. and that's only on spotify me thinks.

 

I said that because i read the chart threads but dont care how many she does in details like the HDD thread has sea and sale for all i care about. So when I say AH doesn't feel like an usual smash hit, i have those BBH100 predictions to back me up.

Also i was talking about smash hit and somehow i went a bit too far my bad.

 

If she truly knows she is successful (she is), she wouldn't have to pull tricks to stay on top of the charts because staying in top 10 more than 30 weeks should be seen as more successful than being #1 for 10 weeks then falling. this is still too early but i think AH will drop pretty hard in the next few weeks.

[TayDine1989]

An 8 week number one song is not a hit? Please 

[Klein]

Just now, TayDine1989 said:

An 8 week number one song is not a hit? Please 

You don't understand. It would be only 7 weeks without remixes, so it's not a real hit. 

[liam13]

Nobody said its not a hit

[By the Water]

8 weeks at #1 but AH is not a smash now 

 

Some of you sound genuinely jealous of SZA/Miley's success and it's concerning. Even if you didn't stan the biggest artist of the century, that's just kinda pathetic

[Bonicap]

2 hours ago, liam13 said:

or maybe she should step it up w her song writing because SOS has been extremely stable (last week was even an increase in SEA unit) meanwhile Taylor's latest album, which some of yall love to talk about how ppl listen to them as a whole, decreases pretty fast after a while. even her albums like that, no wonder her singles cant perform well like a real smash. at least when we look at last year's smash hits, they have the streams and the radio airplays meanwhile AH only has radio to stay atop

 

love her but i guess i understand why she feels the need to be seen as successful at this point of her career.

Folklore and Evermore did way worse streaming numbers, with that logic maybe she needs to write an album full of 'Me!" and 'London Boy'. BTW, SOS is doing 27M streams on Spotify the same day Midnights was doing 26M (with Xmas songs already flooding). Maybe you need to consider that people like SZA or Olivia Rodrigo have just 1 or 2 albums out and Taylor has 10 with a catalog gaining +30M streams everyday. ¿Maybe it's a bit more difficult 17 years into your career when your fans can choose from a vast catalog?