discussion Sex between men, not skin contact, is fueling monkeypox, new research suggests

[AlanRickman1946]

32 minutes ago, spree said:

how do you know?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11110645/Italian-greyhound-belonging-gay-couple-Paris-catches-monkey-pox.html

[Protocol]

I think people are misinterpreting the article. It CAN be spread via skin contact. But the way it's mostly ACTUALLY spreading is via sex.

[infrared]

5 minutes ago, Protocol said:

I think people are misinterpreting the article. It CAN be spread via skin contact. But the way it's mostly ACTUALLY spreading is via sex.

People understand - it’s a lose - lose situation for the gay community. They’re always looking to blame a pandemic on someone , so I guess we’re the punching bag this round 

[Protocol]

4 minutes ago, infrared said:

People understand - it’s a lose - lose situation for the gay community. They’re always looking to blame a pandemic on someone , so I guess we’re the punching bag this round 

I mean it's no one's "fault", that's not the way to ever look at it. No one wants or deserves a disease. But the fact of the matter is it IS being spread among sexual networks of gay men. If the gays weren't ******* and sucking out and about it wouldn't be spreading like this. So we've got to change hot girl summer to celibate girl fall.

[Leptine]

5 hours ago, Kassi said:

Yeah, a lot of what I’ve heard about is people are getting infected in their groin region. That doesn’t just ”happen” from incidental skin contact.  I’m sure the WARM, DARK, and MOIST environment has something to do with efficient spread of this virus.   
 

As someone one who engaged in several orgies and numerous random hookups from about March to June, I’ve only had one sexual partner since July and we both agreed to not **** other people (even tho we’re not together). 
 

So I don’t know why it’s so hard (no pun intended) for gays to have LESS, not necessarily no, sex while taking more precautions.

 

We just went through COVID where you could barely LEAVE the HOUSE. No one’s asking for that or even celibacy, just a reasonable degree of responsibility, self-respect, and compassion for your fellow gays (who’ll be unfairly stigmatized for the spread this disease).

If back in the day during the 80s in full HIV-AIDS crisis when people actually die for it didn't prevent gays to continue to have a certain kind of sex lifestyle, not to mention how many still get it despite decades of campaigns of awareness and prevention, they're not gonna stop for monkeypox and also when it comes to COVID, a lot of gays took it very lightly without respecting the rules, it's not a case that OF became truly prolific in that period.

I do agree with your points though.

[CottageHore]

I really despise the stigma this is adding to the community of gay men, but some of you need to develop some self-accountability. Forget what the general public thinks or how ******* homophobes may use this to justify their homophobia. We need to take care of ourselves for our own health and safety.

 

Sex is great, but if you can’t refrain from irresponsible and excessive promiscuity (i.e. orgies, serial hook-ups, unprotected sex), you need to stop, take a breath, and look inward. Is a few moments of pleasure really worth contracting an uncomfortable disease, regardless of its chronic severity? 
 

I see a lot of gays on here using the whole “this is going to fuel stigma and encourage homophobia like in the 80s” as a way to just completely disregard the very real safety concern at hand. We should continue educating people about the reality of this disease, how it’s spread, and who it affects, that being everybody, not just gay men, but we also need to hold ourselves accountable as individuals. Many gay men do enjoy sex, a lot of it, and that’s totally okay. But if that now poses a health risk to not just you but others, expect people to have unhappy opinions about it. Get over yourself.

[Jude]

Stop being a h*e for once y'all, this will solve the spread of this nasty virus.

[Protocol]

5 hours ago, CottageHore said:

I really despise the stigma this is adding to the community of gay men, but some of you need to develop some self-accountability. Forget what the general public thinks or how ******* homophobes may use this to justify their homophobia. We need to take care of ourselves for our own health and safety.

 

Sex is great, but if you can’t refrain from irresponsible and excessive promiscuity (i.e. orgies, serial hook-ups, unprotected sex), you need to stop, take a breath, and look inward. Is a few moments of pleasure really worth contracting an uncomfortable disease, regardless of its chronic severity? 
 

I see a lot of gays on here using the whole “this is going to fuel stigma and encourage homophobia like in the 80s” as a way to just completely disregard the very real safety concern at hand. We should continue educating people about the reality of this disease, how it’s spread, and who it affects, that being everybody, not just gay men, but we also need to hold ourselves accountable as individuals. Many gay men do enjoy sex, a lot of it, and that’s totally okay. But if that now poses a health risk to not just you but others, expect people to have unhappy opinions about it. Get over yourself.

Watch out, they're going to call you a safe-hating homophobe and call you Ronald Reagan and bring it up whenever you make unrelated posts the rats disagree with elsewhere on this forum

[Protocol]

On 8/17/2022 at 6:43 PM, Leptine said:

If back in the day during the 80s in full HIV-AIDS crisis when people actually die for it didn't prevent gays to continue to have a certain kind of sex lifestyle, not to mention how many still get it despite decades of campaigns of awareness and prevention, they're not gonna stop for monkeypox and also when it comes to COVID, a lot of gays took it very lightly without respecting the rules, it's not a case that OF became truly prolific in that period.

I do agree with your points though.

Actually they did stop. Bathhouses closed for a while. Condoms became the norm whereas before they were unused and unopened. But they had to get past the recalcitrant activist types who refused to acknowledge that sex was the problem first.

[Leptine]

2 hours ago, Protocol said:

Actually they did stop. Bathhouses closed for a while. Condoms became the norm whereas before they were unused and unopened. But they had to get past the recalcitrant activist types who refused to acknowledge that sex was the problem first.

Not everybody, a certain number of people kept doing unprotected sex regardless of the risks (to these days), your average careless gay who acted unbothered of the risks has always existed, sure the cases lowered in the community since then because like you said the majority started to be careful by using comdoms and  since a few years we have also PrEP that really made a difference, but there are still people who are getting it nowadays because of unprotected sex despite all the awareness.

 

[Carla Rosón]

On 8/17/2022 at 5:54 PM, Last Boy on Earth said:

Oh please, I’ve known around 10 people now who’ve got it and the symptoms are extremely insignificant. Who cares 

[AlanRickman1946]

On 8/18/2022 at 6:54 AM, Last Boy on Earth said:

Oh please, I’ve known around 10 people now who’ve got it and the symptoms are extremely insignificant. Who cares 

 

 

 

 

[CottageHore]

5 hours ago, Protocol said:

Watch out, they're going to call you a safe-hating homophobe and call you Ronald Reagan and bring it up whenever you make unrelated posts the rats disagree with elsewhere on this forum

They can call me what they want. They’re just projecting. People who can’t take accountability and view things with nuance will always resort to ad hominems 

[cockatoo]

You can always tell which of y'all are sad lonely virgins from these threads 

 

I hope everyone stays safe regardless of how much sexual activity they engage in!

[Redstreak]

On 8/17/2022 at 5:18 PM, RunUpDoneUp said:

This is so embarrassing to see gay men parrot homophobes about the bad behavior of gay men who want to have sex. It's a laugh in the sordid way. Church Girl by Beyoncé plays in the background.

 

Anyway, yeah, if people find health risk to be their interest, I'm all for them dealing with the consequences but I'm not interested in another global pandemic which this won't be but if straight people get in contact en masse it would be. That's my only concern. Alas, people are only interested in tut tuning which usually works out well for everyone!

It’s so embarrassing to see gay men continue to not care about their health

[Badgalbriel]

6 minutes ago, Nexto said:

Monogamy won

 

Girl, my friend found out his bf was cheating because he got syphilis out of the blue, after 5 years together. Every gay couple I've talked to, at least one of them cheated once and they had to forgive and forget the cheating if they wanted to remain together. Monogamy is not going to stop the spread of this thing. 

[Badgalbriel]

6 minutes ago, Nexto said:

Monogamy won

 

Girl, my friend found out his bf was cheating because he got syphilis out of the blue, after 5 years together. Every gay couple I've talked to, at least one of them cheated once and they had to forgive and forget the cheating if they wanted to remain together. Monogamy is not going to stop the spread of this thing. 

[Communion]

The title reads like a riddle. 

 

Sex IS skin contact??? It is clearly not an STI so the weird framing is confusing.

 

[FENTY.]

So oral doesn't count? 

[DAP]

Pathogens concentrate mostly in your mucosa (first line of defense for your immune system) which also lines the rectum so duh?

[Lost In Paradise]

lol monogamy IS possible and DOES exist without cheaters 

 

and even if that's not your gig, you can still safely find one hot guy to have sex with right now, provided you both don't have any symptoms and promise to not **** other guys for the time being. two people that don't want monkeypox CAN do this.

 

the problem is the guys that leave a hookup/orgy and immediately get back on Grindr out of habit.

 

you can always tell which of y'all have never done any serious self-reflection and act entirely out of compulsion 

[cockatoo]

3 hours ago, Protocol said:

What kind of dumb take is this? You must be a woman. Any gay man knows there is no such thing as a gay virgin unless you’re a teenager.

[cockatoo]

3 minutes ago, Protocol said:

Stay out of gay men's business, breeder. And you still don't get it do you? It ain't like it is for straight dudes. Gay guys have sex so ludicrously easy that being a virgin is actually impressive, same reason why a girl who's a virgin is impressive. Now run back to your bachelorette party.

the rambling off-topic fumes  not even a "breeder" but go off king!

[Pop Life]

Facts are facts and this information should suprise no one. But there's no use in trying to convince some of the gays out there and in this thread. Many see sex as something gritty and ~subversive~ because they're still hung up on straight people hating them. It's why they always bleat out the same stale accusations of "self-hate" and being "repressed" whenever somebody suggests that they slow down. Classic case of measuring others by your own yard stick.

 

Growing up queer is inherently traumatic – to some more than others – and we all adapt to it in different ways at different speeds. Neither side of this debate should judge the other for how they choose to be queer. But having said that, the cold reality is that diseases don't care about your hang ups or your freedoms. AIDS sure as hell didn't, and neither does Monkeypox, nor will whatever comes next. We might as well brace ourselves. If the orgy and dungeon gays couldn't slow down back in the 80s and 90s when death was the only alternative, they probably won't now or anytime soon. 

Edited August 19, 2022 by Pop Life

[Specter]

5 hours ago, Protocol said:

What kind of dumb take is this? You must be a woman.

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