celeb news Beyoncé removes Kelis sample from ENERGY

[uusagii]

LMAO this is classic Beyoncé

[BILLIONAIRE✘BOY]

1 hour ago, dabunique said:

Ma’am they sampled Teena hence why Teena gets a credit on both these records. 
 

exactly. Thank u 

Lash haaaa!!!

[BOOMBAYAH]

Kelis was calling Beyoncé a Satanist like be fr guys 

[Slap]

1 hour ago, Protocol said:

Airing all this out publicly like this and Kelis trying to villify Beyonce seems very self-serving, like she's trying to get publicity for herself.

This isn’t directed just at you because I think what you’re saying in the rest of your post is reasonable but I just want to say this for everyone in this thread regarding clout:

 

Kelis’ husband died of cancer a few months ago can we PLEASE recognize this is not about clout. It’s about black women not kicking down the ladder behind them (even unintentionally) in an industry where they’ve been exploited, their contributions minimized or attributed to men and Beyonce has sung about female empowerment her whole career - so she should be modeling that behavior herself because it’s something she herself says is very important. Hell, I’ve heard Beyonce when I saw her in concert talking about female empowerment lol
 

I am a fan of both of these women and their contributions to music and talent are absolutely undeniable even if you don’t like their music. Kelis is a trained chef, she lives on a farm (because she feels owning land as an African American is a powerful way to rebel against how they were oppressed by being forced to work land they never owned as slaves) how can anybody assume she cares about clout? She even promoted one of her albums by serving food out of a food van that she herself cooked - she’s as down to earth as they come and the idea she would give a **** about attention and tweets is just really baseless even though I know it is something artists can do at times, just not Kelis. Not everyone knows her that well because she actually isn’t out there talking about herself much (again because she’s not a clout chaser) so I don’t expect people to know this about her. 

 

I think a simple phone call to Kelis to apologize, maintain the credit as performer (that part was nice), and a statement from Beyonce herself (because she is not above speaking for herself rather than via a publicist) saying it was not intentional and she has deep respect for black women in the industry would blow this whole thing over, nobody would care and we would all move on. Nobody needs to be cancelled over this and nor should it ruin enjoyment of the Renaissance era for the hive.

[popstyle]

Milkshake

Songwriter(s)

Pharrell Williams

Chad Hugo

 

Producer(s)The Neptunes

 

Again, Beyonce went to the right people for clearance the neptunes!!! Kelis had no credits on Milkshake besides singing the song. Why the heck do people think Beyonce owes Kelis anything is beyond me??? 

[Slap]

4 hours ago, Stankonia said:

No she was never gonna get any royalties for the umpteenth time.

 

Her complaint was mostly about Pharrell/The Neptunes stealing her publishing and she also didn't appreciate that no one from Beyoncé's camp had the common courtesy to notify her that Bey sampled her song.

 

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Some background info on how the Neptunes ripped her off:

 

"Kelis made it with her then close friend Pharrell and Chad Hugo, AKA the Neptunes, after meeting them through a mutual friend at performing arts school. She was 19 at the time. “I thought it was a beautiful and pure, creative safe space,” she says. “But it ended up not being that at all.”

The story of the music industry is one of young artists getting ripped off, again and again, because they are too young to understand the contracts they have signed until it is too late. What is different in Kelis’s case, she says, is that it was her friends who ripped her off.

 

“I was told we were going to split the whole thing 33/33/33, which we didn’t do,” she says. Instead, she says, she was “blatantly lied to and tricked”, pointing specifically to “the Neptunes and their management and their lawyers and all that stuff”. As a result, she says she made nothing from sales of her first two albums, which were produced by the Neptunes. But she did not notice for a few years, because she was making money from touring, “and just the fact that I wasn’t poor felt like enough”, she says. She sighs: “Their argument is: ‘Well, you signed it.’ I’m like: ‘Yeah, I signed what I was told, and I was too young and too stupid to double-check it.’” (Pharrell and Hugo did not respond to repeated requests for comment.)

 

And they were your friends so you trusted them, I say.

 

“Yeah, it’s amazing,” she shrugs.

 

She doesn’t sound angry. “No, I’m just stating the facts,” she says. I ask why she isn’t angry.

 

“To be honest with you, I think if it were not for my faith, I feel like that would probably be the case. It’s very clear to me, especially being on a farm, that whatever you put in the ground, that is what’s going to come back to you,” she says.

 

Things eventually came crashing down, she says, when she made her third album, Tasty, and decided to work with a variety of producers, not just the Neptunes, “and I could tell they were really offended”.

 

But she has seen Pharrell. A few years back, he was performing at an industry event and she was in the audience. “And he did that thing to me that he’s notorious for, which is making a nod from the stage [to someone in the audience], so it seems like there’s mutual respect, when in reality …” She throws her head back and laughs. “I’m like, OK, I’m not going to yell back: ‘You stole all my publishing!’ So you end up nodding back and everyone thinks everything’s great. Like, whatever.”

 

Would she work with him again? She looks at me as if I have asked if she would jump into a shark tank: “Ummm, at that point there’s having faith and there is also just stupidity.”

 

Kelis did not talk about any of this publicly for years. Another secret that she kept until recently is that, according to her, Nas, her first husband, physically abused her. She first mentioned this in an interview in 2018, nine years after she left him while seven months pregnant with their child."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jan/30/unmasked-singer-kelis-on-music-men-and-her-missing-money

 

Please read this if you’re a fan of either women (I’m a fan of both). If this were Beyonce talking about her early albums the ones hating on Kelis would have a bit more compassion because the industry was not kind to her to begin with either being a female black entertainer in the late 90’s. 
 

Swindled out of the rights to her creative work by men. Physically abused by her first husband and the father her her kids Nas. Her second husband died of cancer a few months ago. Please have some compassion and respect - she is rightfully angry.

[Mohit]

This is why you should create original music instead of sampling and stealing from others.. What good are the team of 100+ men in credits if you cant come up with original music without stealing and sampling. 

[Body Talk]

19 minutes ago, Mohit said:

This is why you should create original music instead of sampling and stealing from others.. What good are the team of 100+ men in credits if you cant come up with original music without stealing and sampling. 

Hip hop was built on sampling as a cornerstone - it's an integral part of the culture. You sound extremely ignorant.

[Dreajae]

Love that for her. And it's most definently true on Tidal. The new version without Bey singing at the end will take a day or 2 to update. Pharrell and Chad will still be credited for the drums. 

[Stunnah]

10 minutes ago, Body Talk said:

Hip hop was built on sampling as a cornerstone - it's an integral part of the culture. You sound extremely ignorant.

And you sound racist for implying a majority Black genre is derivative. 

[est. in 90s]

Not that OBH having a meltdown over Kelis' removal 

 

Anyways, why are these sudden and newfound Kelis stans still mad? Go stream Midnight Snacks please. Don't drop her now that she can no longer be used to fuel out your bitterness towards Beyonce 

[Body Talk]

53 minutes ago, Slap said:

This isn’t directed just at you because I think what you’re saying in the rest of your post is reasonable but I just want to say this for everyone in this thread regarding clout:

 

Kelis’ husband died of cancer a few months ago can we PLEASE recognize this is not about clout. It’s about black women not kicking down the ladder behind them (even unintentionally) in an industry where they’ve been exploited, their contributions minimized or attributed to men and Beyonce has sung about female empowerment her whole career - so she should be modeling that behavior herself because it’s something she herself says is very important. Hell, I’ve heard Beyonce when I saw her in concert talking about female empowerment lol
 

I am a fan of both of these women and their contributions to music and talent are absolutely undeniable even if you don’t like their music. Kelis is a trained chef, she lives on a farm (because she feels owning land as an African American is a powerful way to rebel against how they were oppressed by being forced to work land they never owned as slaves) how can anybody assume she cares about clout? She even promoted one of her albums by serving food out of a food van that she herself cooked - she’s as down to earth as they come and the idea she would give a **** about attention and tweets is just really baseless even though I know it is something artists can do at times, just not Kelis. Not everyone knows her that well because she actually isn’t out there talking about herself much (again because she’s not a clout chaser) so I don’t expect people to know this about her. 

 

I think a simple phone call to Kelis to apologize, maintain the credit as performer (that part was nice), and a statement from Beyonce herself (because she is not above speaking for herself rather than via a publicist) saying it was not intentional and she has deep respect for black women in the industry would blow this whole thing over, nobody would care and we would all move on. Nobody needs to be cancelled over this and nor should it ruin enjoyment of the Renaissance era for the hive.

You can make excuses for Kelis's actions and defend her emotions however you'd like, but Beyoncé does not owe her an apology, a public statement, nor does it make her any less of a feminist. 

[Body Talk]

6 minutes ago, Stunnah said:

And you sound racist for implying a majority Black genre is derivative. 

Don't be dense. Sampling is an art form because of hip hop. Your condescension in calling black art "derivative" (a word you chose) is racist (another word you chose).

 

But by all means, carry on trolling thread to thread trying to diminish the accomplishments of a black female artist.

[Phaunzie]

The way Kelis winning got the girls pressed like a panini, hunny. Out here hoping Solange finds her in an elevator, and encouraging violence against a black woman. Very problematique. 

[Xalric]

1 hour ago, Slap said:

This isn’t directed just at you because I think what you’re saying in the rest of your post is reasonable but I just want to say this for everyone in this thread regarding clout:

 

Kelis’ husband died of cancer a few months ago can we PLEASE recognize this is not about clout. It’s about black women not kicking down the ladder behind them (even unintentionally) in an industry where they’ve been exploited, their contributions minimized or attributed to men and Beyonce has sung about female empowerment her whole career - so she should be modeling that behavior herself because it’s something she herself says is very important. Hell, I’ve heard Beyonce when I saw her in concert talking about female empowerment lol
 

I am a fan of both of these women and their contributions to music and talent are absolutely undeniable even if you don’t like their music. Kelis is a trained chef, she lives on a farm (because she feels owning land as an African American is a powerful way to rebel against how they were oppressed by being forced to work land they never owned as slaves) how can anybody assume she cares about clout? She even promoted one of her albums by serving food out of a food van that she herself cooked - she’s as down to earth as they come and the idea she would give a **** about attention and tweets is just really baseless even though I know it is something artists can do at times, just not Kelis. Not everyone knows her that well because she actually isn’t out there talking about herself much (again because she’s not a clout chaser) so I don’t expect people to know this about her. 

 

I think a simple phone call to Kelis to apologize, maintain the credit as performer (that part was nice), and a statement from Beyonce herself (because she is not above speaking for herself rather than via a publicist) saying it was not intentional and she has deep respect for black women in the industry would blow this whole thing over, nobody would care and we would all move on. Nobody needs to be cancelled over this and nor should it ruin enjoyment of the Renaissance era for the hive.

 

The thing is Kelis is waiting something from Beyonce that Beyonce didn't even to for her own mother, like have you read Tina's post about Uncle Johnny pics?

 

Parkwood called her not Beyoncé.

 

 

[Delirious]

1 hour ago, Slap said:

This isn’t directed just at you because I think what you’re saying in the rest of your post is reasonable but I just want to say this for everyone in this thread regarding clout:

 

Kelis’ husband died of cancer a few months ago can we PLEASE recognize this is not about clout. It’s about black women not kicking down the ladder behind them (even unintentionally) in an industry where they’ve been exploited, their contributions minimized or attributed to men and Beyonce has sung about female empowerment her whole career - so she should be modeling that behavior herself because it’s something she herself says is very important. Hell, I’ve heard Beyonce when I saw her in concert talking about female empowerment lol
 

I am a fan of both of these women and their contributions to music and talent are absolutely undeniable even if you don’t like their music. Kelis is a trained chef, she lives on a farm (because she feels owning land as an African American is a powerful way to rebel against how they were oppressed by being forced to work land they never owned as slaves) how can anybody assume she cares about clout? She even promoted one of her albums by serving food out of a food van that she herself cooked - she’s as down to earth as they come and the idea she would give a **** about attention and tweets is just really baseless even though I know it is something artists can do at times, just not Kelis. Not everyone knows her that well because she actually isn’t out there talking about herself much (again because she’s not a clout chaser) so I don’t expect people to know this about her. 

 

I think a simple phone call to Kelis to apologize, maintain the credit as performer (that part was nice), and a statement from Beyonce herself (because she is not above speaking for herself rather than via a publicist) saying it was not intentional and she has deep respect for black women in the industry would blow this whole thing over, nobody would care and we would all move on. Nobody needs to be cancelled over this and nor should it ruin enjoyment of the Renaissance era for the hive.

Well said

[BnPac]

2 hours ago, Slap said:

This isn’t directed just at you because I think what you’re saying in the rest of your post is reasonable but I just want to say this for everyone in this thread regarding clout:

 

Kelis’ husband died of cancer a few months ago can we PLEASE recognize this is not about clout. It’s about black women not kicking down the ladder behind them (even unintentionally) in an industry where they’ve been exploited, their contributions minimized or attributed to men and Beyonce has sung about female empowerment her whole career - so she should be modeling that behavior herself because it’s something she herself says is very important. Hell, I’ve heard Beyonce when I saw her in concert talking about female empowerment lol
 

I am a fan of both of these women and their contributions to music and talent are absolutely undeniable even if you don’t like their music. Kelis is a trained chef, she lives on a farm (because she feels owning land as an African American is a powerful way to rebel against how they were oppressed by being forced to work land they never owned as slaves) how can anybody assume she cares about clout? She even promoted one of her albums by serving food out of a food van that she herself cooked - she’s as down to earth as they come and the idea she would give a **** about attention and tweets is just really baseless even though I know it is something artists can do at times, just not Kelis. Not everyone knows her that well because she actually isn’t out there talking about herself much (again because she’s not a clout chaser) so I don’t expect people to know this about her. 

 

I think a simple phone call to Kelis to apologize, maintain the credit as performer (that part was nice), and a statement from Beyonce herself (because she is not above speaking for herself rather than via a publicist) saying it was not intentional and she has deep respect for black women in the industry would blow this whole thing over, nobody would care and we would all move on. Nobody needs to be cancelled over this and nor should it ruin enjoyment of the Renaissance era for the hive.

1st, her husband dying has nothing to do with anything, that's gaslighting. 

 

2nd this has nothing to female empowerment, Bey sampled 10 seconds of a song and credited the people who should be credited including Kelis to the extension her contribution warranted it as a performer. 

 

And lastly no, Beyoncé will not send the mean-spirited woman an apology for doing things right. One of them is on social media insulting the other, calling her Satanist, devoid of soul and that's not B. Some of you are hypothetical as hell. To surmise that a woman who is insulting Beyoncé online is the one deserving of an apology is lacking critical thinking. 

 

She didn't want Beyoncé to sample, B understood and now she can move on. 

[BnPac]

6 hours ago, Stankonia said:

LOUDER.

 

Just imagine if Ariana used a sample of an original Taylor song to which Scooter owns the rights and she didn't even have the common decency to call Taylor in order to notify her that she was going to sample her song and just asked Scooter for permission to use it.

Everyone would be furious at Ariana and rightfully so but because it's Beyoncé it's fine because "she went through the proper legal channels". The hypocrisy of it all.

That makes little sense... Actually it makes none. 

 

Taylor wrote every single song she recorded and produced most. No one can and will ever sample her song without having to clear the sample through her or her team. 

[Otter]

2 hours ago, Slap said:

This isn’t directed just at you because I think what you’re saying in the rest of your post is reasonable but I just want to say this for everyone in this thread regarding clout:

 

Kelis’ husband died of cancer a few months ago can we PLEASE recognize this is not about clout. It’s about black women not kicking down the ladder behind them (even unintentionally) in an industry where they’ve been exploited, their contributions minimized or attributed to men and Beyonce has sung about female empowerment her whole career - so she should be modeling that behavior herself because it’s something she herself says is very important. Hell, I’ve heard Beyonce when I saw her in concert talking about female empowerment lol
 

I am a fan of both of these women and their contributions to music and talent are absolutely undeniable even if you don’t like their music. Kelis is a trained chef, she lives on a farm (because she feels owning land as an African American is a powerful way to rebel against how they were oppressed by being forced to work land they never owned as slaves) how can anybody assume she cares about clout? She even promoted one of her albums by serving food out of a food van that she herself cooked - she’s as down to earth as they come and the idea she would give a **** about attention and tweets is just really baseless even though I know it is something artists can do at times, just not Kelis. Not everyone knows her that well because she actually isn’t out there talking about herself much (again because she’s not a clout chaser) so I don’t expect people to know this about her. 

 

I think a simple phone call to Kelis to apologize, maintain the credit as performer (that part was nice), and a statement from Beyonce herself (because she is not above speaking for herself rather than via a publicist) saying it was not intentional and she has deep respect for black women in the industry would blow this whole thing over, nobody would care and we would all move on. Nobody needs to be cancelled over this and nor should it ruin enjoyment of the Renaissance era for the hive.

You mean after Kelish essemtially called her dumb, a satanists, mocked her feminism and accused her of a history of copying her. 

 

I remain a supporter of Kelis' efforts get the appropriate credits on her music but she all the way disrespected Beyonce for a week, Beyonce owes her no kind of anything. I wish her luck in her battle against Pharrel and Chad

Edited August 3, 2022 by Otter

[*-ChriZ-*]

2 hours ago, Slap said:

This isn’t directed just at you because I think what you’re saying in the rest of your post is reasonable but I just want to say this for everyone in this thread regarding clout:

 

Kelis’ husband died of cancer a few months ago can we PLEASE recognize this is not about clout. It’s about black women not kicking down the ladder behind them (even unintentionally) in an industry where they’ve been exploited, their contributions minimized or attributed to men and Beyonce has sung about female empowerment her whole career - so she should be modeling that behavior herself because it’s something she herself says is very important. Hell, I’ve heard Beyonce when I saw her in concert talking about female empowerment lol
 

I am a fan of both of these women and their contributions to music and talent are absolutely undeniable even if you don’t like their music. Kelis is a trained chef, she lives on a farm (because she feels owning land as an African American is a powerful way to rebel against how they were oppressed by being forced to work land they never owned as slaves) how can anybody assume she cares about clout? She even promoted one of her albums by serving food out of a food van that she herself cooked - she’s as down to earth as they come and the idea she would give a **** about attention and tweets is just really baseless even though I know it is something artists can do at times, just not Kelis. Not everyone knows her that well because she actually isn’t out there talking about herself much (again because she’s not a clout chaser) so I don’t expect people to know this about her. 

 

I think a simple phone call to Kelis to apologize, maintain the credit as performer (that part was nice), and a statement from Beyonce herself (because she is not above speaking for herself rather than via a publicist) saying it was not intentional and she has deep respect for black women in the industry would blow this whole thing over, nobody would care and we would all move on. Nobody needs to be cancelled over this and nor should it ruin enjoyment of the Renaissance era for the hive.

Kelis was a ***** to Bey pretty much for years. Her husband dying of cancer doesnt negate that, and the way she behaved proved that once again.

Bye Pumpkin.

[Khal]

Most hilarious part of all this are stans thinking that the "performed by" gave Kelis credit and she'd be getting a royalty based on that. A stan says something without any proof or basis and other stans from Twitter to ATRL just start regurgitating it

 

Anyway, Kelis could have been a lot more professional about this, so my sympathies are low. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Khal

[bestfiction]

Wait, so Bey credited Kelis despite she wasn't a writer or producer and she was still mad about it? And now she won't receive any profit off it? The clownery

[Slap]

25 minutes ago, Otter said:

You mean after Kelish essemtially called her dumb, a satanists, mocked her feminism and accused her of a history of copying her. 

 

I remain a supporter of Kelis' efforts get the appropriate credits on her music but she all the way disrespected Beyonce for a week, Beyonce owes her no kind of anything. I wish her luck in her battle against Pharrel and Chad

My point was she is not doing it for clout. Also what is this crap about satanism and she didn’t mock her for her feminism she said back up your words with your actions. That has nothing to do with feminism, but with character - of which I believe Beyonce has plenty of and why I don’t think this needed to be what it has become.

 

If she wanted clout she could’ve done it about her late husband but she didn’t. Give her some basic respect please. 

 

28 minutes ago, Otter said:

You mean after Kelish essemtially called her dumb, a satanists, mocked her feminism and accused her of a history of copying her. 

 

I remain a supporter of Kelis' efforts get the appropriate credits on her music but she all the way disrespected Beyonce for a week, Beyonce owes her no kind of anything. I wish her luck in her battle against Pharrel and Chad

I was saying not what I think she should do but what she could do to make this situation go away. Those are not the same. Bey can do what she wants, and I along with others will judge her on her actions not only her words. 
 

Can I say it again - I LOVE Beyonce’s music since DC to today, but she is not above criticism nor is any artist. This is more about my views of how the impact and artistry of black women have been exploited/discredited/disregarded in the industry (including Bey early in her career) and how Bey as literally the most successful black singer of our generation is in a unique position to make things right and change the way the industry works - she doesn’t have to, but she sure as hell talks about wanting to so why is it an issue to expect follow through?

 

Kelis is right to be upset, and I still like Bey regardless so what’s the problem exactly? Cant we have a nuanced discussion about black women in the music industry without it being a stan war when I like both artists anyway 

[*-ChriZ-*]

15 minutes ago, Slap said:

My point was she is not doing it for clout. Also what is this crap about satanism and she didn’t mock her for her feminism she said back up your words with your actions. That has nothing to do with feminism, but with character - of which I believe Beyonce has plenty of and why I don’t think this needed to be what it has become.

 

If she wanted clout she could’ve done it about her late husband but she didn’t. Give her some basic respect please. 

 

I was saying not what I think she should do but what she could do to make this situation go away. Those are not the same. Bey can do what she wants, and I along with others will judge her on her actions not only her words. 
 

Can I say it again - I LOVE Beyonce’s music since DC to today, but she is not above criticism nor is any artist. This is more about my views of how the impact and artistry of black women have been exploited/discredited/disregarded in the industry (including Bey early in her career) and how Bey as literally the most successful black singer of our generation is in a unique position to make things right and change the way the industry works - she doesn’t have to, but she sure as hell talks about wanting to so why is it an issue to expect follow through?

 

Kelis is right to be upset, and I still like Bey regardless so what’s the problem exactly? Cant we have a nuanced discussion about black women in the music industry without it being a stan war when I like both artists anyway 

Bey did everything that needed to be done. She contacted the owner of the sample and asked for permition to use it. It was Kelis' entitlement in this scenario to receive a phonecall when in reality, no one owed that to her. She wanted it, but Bey didnt act wrong either. She credited her.

 

And now uncredited her for being a ***** about it

[drivers license]

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