celeb news Beyoncé removes Kelis sample from ENERGY

[Fanta]

2 hours ago, Stankonia said:

The way this whole thing turned me into an OBH. Truly opened my eyes with how vile and hypocritical a lot of her stans are.

You & Kelis can be besties then since you’re both OBH. She probably needs the support considering her one sided meltdowns over Beyoncé recently, seems you both have a lot in common. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Fanta

[Katy V.!]

40 minutes ago, Stankonia said:

LOUDER.

 

Just imagine if Ariana used a sample of an original Taylor song to which Scooter owns the rights and she didn't even have the common decency to call Taylor in order to notify her that she was going to sample her song and just asked Scooter for permission to use it.

Everyone would be furious at Ariana and rightfully so but because it's Beyoncé it's fine because "she went through the proper legal channels". The hypocrisy of it all.

Did she actually write the song? If not then the Taylor comparison makes no sense. 

 

I do believe she's right but a negative reaction was always going to happen with the way she handled it. I mean she has the right to be upset and react that way but I'm sure you understand why Beyoncé stans don't like it. It could've been great PR + praise from everyone if properly handled. 

[Fanta]

1 hour ago, Blue G said:

People on here would spend hours crying over Taylor not owning masters. But Kelis is painted the villain for literally suffering actual mistreatment.

Maybe people would feel bad for her if she wasn’t running around calling Beyoncé a satan worshipper. Maybe she should have directed her anger at the people who actually did her dirty and people would listen. This is an awful comparison because Taylor actually called out the exact person who wronged her and didn’t even disrespect them, just laid out the facts. 

[Body Talk]

1 hour ago, Stankonia said:

LOUDER.

 

Just imagine if Ariana used a sample of an original Taylor song to which Scooter owns the rights and she didn't even have the common decency to call Taylor in order to notify her that she was going to sample her song and just asked Scooter for permission to use it.

Everyone would be furious at Ariana and rightfully so but because it's Beyoncé it's fine because "she went through the proper legal channels". The hypocrisy of it all.

This is a flawed correlation all around.

1) This isn't about masters, it's about publishing. Pharrell doesn't own Kelis's masters.

2) She claims (in the quotes you shared) that Pharrell unfairly duped her out of publishing on her first two albums, which sucks, and that she started working with more people on her third album Tasty.

3) "Milkshake" was not on either of those first two albums and was shopped to other artists before Kelis, which gives the impression that the Neptunes wrote the song without her and that she just cut it.

4) Re: your Ariana example, Ariana would need Taylor's permission in every scenario because Taylor was an author of her songs and has publishing. When it comes to sampling, the publishers all have to agree because it isn't a traditional cover and would result in a reduction of publishing on the new work.

[scheibe]

hot mess

[Body Talk]

1 hour ago, abeille said:

She didn't have a credit on the original song, but Beyoncé expressly gave her one so she WOULD receive credit and ergo royalties. Kelis then proceeded to throw a public meltdown, trashing her persona and labelling her a satanist, just further proving that it was never about the sample. All the ***** did was EMBARRASS herself in the process and throw away any ounce of credibility she had. Now she gets NOTHING like the crab in the bucket deserves. Makes you wonder which erased 2000s R&B fad is going to come out of the woodworks and try it with her next. Hurling personal attacks at people as though they're helping your case. How embarrassing for you.

This is false. Kelis was never given a writer credit by Beyoncé. She was credited as the performer of the sample in the liner notes only, but that doesn't give you royalties.

[Blue G]

1 hour ago, PrettyHurts said:

well the issue no longer exists since the sample has been removed 

 

no longer bey's problem, never really was 

And I bet kelis is happy

[simon]

I think Kelis response in dragging Beyoncé throughout this process is what made it worst.

 

Beyoncé did not acknowledge her, swiftly removed her, and went on with her life. This will be forgotten and now Kelis can’t even be mad anymore.

 

This situation added hype to the album (thanks to Beyoncé’s no-promo strategy) so it all worked out TBH.

[abeille]

Just now, Body Talk said:

This is false. Kelis was never given a writer credit by Beyoncé. She was credited as the performer of the sample in the liner notes only, but that doesn't give you royalties.

I'm aware she wasn't. However, she was still given credit as a performer.

[♛| Rex_Sove]

And then y'all wonder why Bey doesn't give interviews anymore. We know there's a myriad of reasons, but all these people constantly being shady and coming out of the woodwork to say weird and malicious things about her (directly or indirectly) makes sense why she wouldn't even want to acknowledge foolishness. Continue to pay them with dust.

Sidenote: Don't y'all think its weird how the haters on ATRL act similar to how celebrities and notable people act towards Bey in the industry? Why are they so mad? It's honestly a big part of the reason the Beyhive comes off as "aggressive" because people do the most in the weirdest ways when it comes to Bey... And this has ALWAYS been the case, its nothing new, but it makes you wonder...

[Otter]

1 hour ago, Stankonia said:

For the umpteenth time Beyoncé stans: a "as performed by x" mention on streaming platforms is NOT a proper credit and won't get anyone any royalties. And Kelis didn't even blame Beyoncé for not crediting her but because she didn't have the common courtesy to notify her that she was going to sample her song.

 

So loud and SO WRONG.

I wonder if Kelis contacted & gave heads up to the people who Pharrel sampled in the productions he done for her ? 

[dabunique]

2 hours ago, Breathe On Moi said:

 

 

are y’all kidding?

 

the Ooh La La La La is clearly from fu-gee-la by the Fugees….

 

 

 

I instantly knew the Lauryn reference

Ma’am they sampled Teena hence why Teena gets a credit on both these records. 
 

2 hours ago, stoopidjenna said:

Fu-Gee-La also interpolates the Teena Marie song.

exactly. Thank u 

[Pheromosa]

3 minutes ago, Otter said:

I wonder if Kelis contacted & gave heads up to the people who Pharrel sampled in the productions he done for her ? 

it's all irrelevant because Milkshake doesn't belong to Kelis anyway 

[Protocol]

Airing all this out publicly like this and Kelis trying to villify Beyonce seems very self-serving, like she's trying to get publicity for herself. She has no idea what exactly went on behind the scenes. It was probably the producer that cleared the sample, I doubt Beyonce herself was on the phone with Pharrell  They probably told her it was all sorted and Beyonce went about her way not knowing she was stepping into a minefield of shady contracts from the early 2000s that Kelis still has an (understandable) grudge about.

 

I've been called a hater because I don't like Renaissance and I think the praise is absurd but I have to take Beyonce's side here. Also her removing the sample shows that she is sympathetic to Kelis and didn't mean to offend her. She could've easily just ignored this, people will forget about it in a week anyway and it's not as if Kelis is super relevant or has an army of fans that will make Beyonce's life impossible in 2022. No shade because I love Kelis's music.

[Breathe On Moi]

10 minutes ago, dabunique said:

Ma’am they sampled Teena hence why Teena gets a credit on both these records. 
 

exactly. Thank u 

Thanks, but this was 2 hours ago and I already acknowledged my mistake. 

[State of Grace.]

 

[Jjang]

Poor Kelis but this is sending me 

[Black Sunflower]

That's hilarious cause it barely made a diff anyway. Hope it stings. I love Kelis but she was throwin a tantrum over nothing, there must have been a better time to start a conversation over this issue than now.

[abeille]

What a CLASS ACT looks like  

[Mr.Link]

3 hours ago, Stankonia said:

LOUDER.

 

Just imagine if Ariana used a sample of an original Taylor song to which Scooter owns the rights and she didn't even have the common decency to call Taylor in order to notify her that she was going to sample her song and just asked Scooter for permission to use it.

Everyone would be furious at Ariana and rightfully so but because it's Beyoncé it's fine because "she went through the proper legal channels". The hypocrisy of it all.

That song wasn’t even written for Kelis, it was written for Britney  if anything the original writers should sue Kelis for causing them significant loses and a possible Grammy snub just because she couldn’t keep her rude mouth shut. 

[Beyonce-Minaj]

2 hours ago, Katy V.! said:

Did she actually write the song? If not then the Taylor comparison makes no sense. 

 

I do believe she's right but a negative reaction was always going to happen with the way she handled it. I mean she has the right to be upset and react that way but I'm sure you understand why Beyoncé stans don't like it. It could've been great PR + praise from everyone if properly handled. 

That's the main question. Actually, did she even COMPOSE the sound, since the beat and NOT her vocal was interpolated? Even if you can substantiate that Kelis composed the sound waves, wouldn't it be illegal for Beyoncé to credit her as a writer, considering it would contractually interfere with the royalty rights of the Neptunes since Kelis has to be listed as a "performer" and nothing beyond that as per on paper legalities. Beyoncé could be in hot water for putting Kelis down as either a writer or producer, which would ruin her rapport with Pharrell, and quite possibly, land herself in an entertainment courtroom. Additionally, Beyoncé may have forgotten to give a proper heads up courtesy to Kelis, since Bey didn't think that a 10 second sampling of pure musical NOTES would be such a huge deal when you factor the fact that Solange and Kelis were great friends? Did every person alive who was sampled on the album get a heads up? Beyoncé prefers to keep projects she's working on a secret, making sure there's next no risk of even a hint as to what's being cooked. 

 

Then there's the fact that the album dropped and Kelis found out about the 10 second sample. Okay, now what? Why did you NEED a heads up? Like what difference would have made? You still would have gotten legally credited properly and you admitted that you're fine with being credited as a "performer" without royalty rights being attached to your name. Why is an ethical mandatory courtesy, since you are neither legally nor practically asking or demanding for permission. This is ridiculously petty. 

[GotMyBlueprint]

7 hours ago, JustHoran said:

Kelis wasn't making ANYTHING off the song, but newsflash to Beyonce she still has to pay up because it remains on the CD's that are in stores and have already been sold. Hopefully Kelis still sues.

#KelisWon

[Lose My Breath]

8 hours ago, JustHoran said:

Kelis wasn't making ANYTHING off the song, but newsflash to Beyonce she still has to pay up because it remains on the CD's that are in stores and have already been sold. Hopefully Kelis still sues.

What would she sue her for? The song was properly credited, and permission was granted by the writers of the song?

 

if Kelis is disputing that she actually wrote it, then she’d need to sue the songwriters and producer of the song, not Beyoncé. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by Lose My Breath

[Alldeezy]

oh well rip.

[Margaux]

i mean i would do the same.