movie The Little Mermaid (2023) | Makes a BIG streaming splash on Disney+ | 16M views! 🫧🐚

[CosTaSsSs]

My sister and her friend liked it a lot, the one hasn't even watched the original  'cause she never liked children's movies. Any word on when we can expect this on Disney+? I cannot wait to watch it again. 

[V$.]

1 hour ago, Horizon Flame said:

Disney+ doesn’t make any money. That’s the problem. Disney doesn’t make these movies to break even and make no profit. The film turned out to be a disaster for them. 

Sure, Jan.

 

So Encanto is a fiasco? 

 

"The film turned out to be a disaster for them." 

 

Source: Horizon Flame from ATRL 

[V$.]

1 hour ago, CosTaSsSs said:

My sister and her friend liked it a lot, the one hasn't even watched the original  'cause she never liked children's movies. Any word on when we can expect this on Disney+? I cannot wait to watch it again. 

The streets are saying it's August or September 

[Monsieurgedeon]

This kind of statement is really dangerous and completely unfounded in 2023 where a lot of IPs failed miserably. You all seem to completely ignore the performance worldwide of the first movie. As this one, it was basically a flop outside of the US with main revenues coming from the US only.

 

Thinking that TLM had the same power of Aladdin was biased from the start. 

 

There is also a reason why Disney only focused the promo in the US with only avant premiere in other countries but very limited and almost no other kind of promo. + Halle voice is basically completely eradicated from the movie for other countries. 

 

Being so sure that the movie would have been a bigger success with a white girl is weird imo, when it could have been a bigger flop. The casting at least drove a lot of discussions surrounding the movie regarding the casting, way more than if Ariel was a copy paste. 

 

EDIT: Sorry wanted to quote Aristotle but it didn't work 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Monsieurgedeon

[Lovett]

2 hours ago, Horizon Flame said:

Disney+ doesn’t make any money. That’s the problem. Disney doesn’t make these movies to break even and make no profit. The film turned out to be a disaster for them. 

It's so wild to see people just make things up and state it like it's a fact. Wow.

[Horizon Flame]

1 hour ago, V$. said:

Sure, Jan.

 

So Encanto is a fiasco? 

 

"The film turned out to be a disaster for them." 

 

Source: Horizon Flame from ATRL 

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-11-08/disney-earnings-fourth-quarter-streaming-loses-1-5-billion-hulu-espn-chapek
 

They’re cancelling and deleting new shows and movies, and laying off people to make up for all the lost revenue. Not sure where you’ve been. This is also why they’re consolidating their other streaming services. 

 

[Mr.Marvelous]

On 6/19/2023 at 4:52 PM, Sexyzinger said:

It's not breaking even. 

 

 

23 hours ago, V$. said:

It's a Fail! 

 

21 hours ago, Eternal220 said:

A flop!

y'all some real weirdos hating on a kids movie

[V$.]

1 hour ago, Horizon Flame said:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2022-11-08/disney-earnings-fourth-quarter-streaming-loses-1-5-billion-hulu-espn-chapek
 

They’re cancelling and deleting new shows and movies, and laying off people to make up for all the lost revenue. Not sure where you’ve been. This is also why they’re consolidating their other streaming services. 

 

OMG! It's the end of the world!!! 

 

 

[V$.]

31 minutes ago, Mr.Marvelous said:

 

 

y'all some real weirdos hating on a kids movie

Nope. I'm good! 

[BNF91]

TLM has the best hold of all movies on this past Juneteenth Monday. $2.7M, just -6% from Sunday and -14% from last Monday. $256M domestic running total. 

[Sergi91]

I feel bad this movie isn’t doing better numbers. Let’s hope Snow White does better  

Spoiler

Let me hope TLM can break even and SW does better so it doesn’t affect the release of Maleficent 3 

 

[Pop Art]

There were a few wonky moments in the film (like Eric's solo...), but overall, this was pretty enjoyable for me, especially considering some of the absolute tragedies Disney has produced with some of these live action remakes.

 

Halle's acting wasn't exactly a showstopper, but it was more than good enough — her voice, on the other hand, was indescribably good. I literally had chills during "Part of Your World" and in fact prefer some of her song's versions compared to the original ones.

[BNF91]

TLM has a hold on #1 in Japan for its 2nd Wednesday. 3rd weekend at #1 could be in the cards. 

 

 

 

 

[Aethereal]

1 hour ago, BNF91 said:

TLM has a hold on #1 in Japan for its 2nd Wednesday. 3rd weekend at #1 could be in the cards. 

 

 

 

 

It seems to me that Mario will not touch $100M in Japan. China really dumped Mario down though.

 

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For you who are unaware of how movies breakeven, for TLM's case in particular:

 

320M Domestic gross -> 176M profit (55% of the overall score)

280M International gross -> 112M profit (40% of the overall score)

4M China gross -> 1M profit (25% of the overall score)

 

So with a $604M total gross TLM will turn a 289M profit.

 

The costs for the movie are:

140M Marketing

250M Budget 

 

390M total. You do the math.

 

BUT: 

~120-180M additional profit comes from DVD/VHS sales, TV and streaming. [ this number includes the expenses of video costs $50M and interest (250M-70M=180M) ]

Edited June 21, 2023 by Aristotle

[chosensparkles]

$2.2M on Tuesday

[Monsieurgedeon]

Aristotle; your post is interesting but you are mixing up revenue and profit which is confusing are you are calling bananas; Apple. 

 

320M Domestic gross -> 176M profit (55% of the overall score)

280M International gross -> 112M profit (40% of the overall score)

4M China gross -> 1M profit (25% of the overall score)

 

This is all revenue not profit (Thus why in your example of BP, its appears in Theatrical revenue vs total gross (for BP: TG: BO WW 859M$, Theatrical revenue: 425M$). The difference represents the share of the distributors, and cinemas. 

 

It's impossible to talk about profit before subtracting all expenses, and in your graph it is mentioned as Studio net. It's the net profit the studio will receive at the end when everything is said and done. 

 

So for TLM, you theatrical revenue is 289M (vs 425 for BP). If you add 250M for Television, streaming, and DVD/VHS ( vs BP 325M) the total revenue is now 539M.

 

Removing the costs and expenses:

140M Marketing

250M Budget 

50M Video

TOTAL=440 

 

So your profit (Studio net) will be 99M$. 

 

 

 

 

 

[V$.]

 

 

[Aethereal]

3 hours ago, Monsieurgedeon said:

Aristotle; your post is interesting but you are mixing up revenue and profit which is confusing are you are calling bananas; Apple. 

 

320M Domestic gross -> 176M profit (55% of the overall score)

280M International gross -> 112M profit (40% of the overall score)

4M China gross -> 1M profit (25% of the overall score)

 

This is all revenue not profit (Thus why in your example of BP, its appears in Theatrical revenue vs total gross (for BP: TG: BO WW 859M$, Theatrical revenue: 425M$). The difference represents the share of the distributors, and cinemas. 

 

It's impossible to talk about profit before subtracting all expenses, and in your graph it is mentioned as Studio net. It's the net profit the studio will receive at the end when everything is said and done. 

 

So for TLM, you theatrical revenue is 289M (vs 425 for BP). If you add 250M for Television, streaming, and DVD/VHS ( vs BP 325M) the total revenue is now 539M.

 

Removing the costs and expenses:

 

140M Marketing

250M Budget 

50M Video

TOTAL=440 

 

So your profit (Studio net) will be 99M$. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes you're right. I meant revenue instead of profit. I mixed them up, sorry. And you're forgetting interest costs too (which will be probably around 20-25M).

 

Last, the numbers I gave, IMO, are the higher bound of the total revenue which in reality could end up being lower than that.

 

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Another interesting fact:

 

American movie's revenue outside of Box Office is more Domestic-centric. For example, Cinderella with a 200M domestic gross (37% of the total gross) made more money in Northern America with TV and DVD/VHS sales than internationally:

 

https://deadline.com/2016/03/cinderella-movie-profit-2015-box-office-disney-1201724740/

 

So this is an advantage for TLM given that it is stronger locally.

 

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And now that I think about it; the breakeven point that was given for Maleficent 2 which was around $475M probably included ancillary figures, especially considering it underperformed in Northern America where the revenue share was the highest (55%). A $185M budget and a probably $100M marketing would need  around $600M to breakeven directly from box office alone. 

Edited June 21, 2023 by Aristotle

[chosensparkles]

still going strong in France

just entered overall top 10 movies of the year with 1,356,845 tickets sold

Should end up at #8 in the next weeks. It’s still doing 177k entries per week 

[Monsieurgedeon]

11 hours ago, Aristotle said:

Yes you're right. I meant revenue instead of profit. I mixed them up, sorry. And you're forgetting interest costs too (which will be probably around 20-25M).

 

Last, the numbers I gave, IMO, are the higher bound of the total revenue which in reality could end up being lower than that.

 

--

Another interesting fact:

 

American movie's revenue outside of Box Office is more Domestic-centric. For example, Cinderella with a 200M domestic gross (37% of the total gross) made more money in Northern America with TV and DVD/VHS sales than internationally:

 

https://deadline.com/2016/03/cinderella-movie-profit-2015-box-office-disney-1201724740/

 

So this is an advantage for TLM given that it is stronger locally.

 

--

 

And now that I think about it; the breakeven point that was given for Maleficent 2 which was around $475M probably included ancillary figures, especially considering it underperformed in Northern America where the revenue share was the highest (55%). A $185M budget and a probably $100M marketing would need  around $600M to breakeven directly from box office alone. 

I finally understood how to quote ahah 

 

You are right for the interests I forgot to add them. So basically it will make even less money. 

 

Very interesting point you are highlighting here tho. Maybe the movie could become a huge hit in the US when it comes to ancillaries. 

 

I would be super interested to know how much the first spider verse brought with home entertainment, dvd and ancillaries. I will try to check and share if I find. 

 

Anyways thanks a lot for sharing all this info 

[V$.]

Okay? 

 

 

[robbyds]

A smash in the Philippines

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/little-mermaid-blockbuster-philippines-racist-backlash-1235521433/

[BNF91]

Just -19% on Wednesday for $1.84M. -39% from last week. Stabilizing well after that rather ugly 4th weekend. No big openers this coming weekend, so could be set for a very healthy hold. 

 

#1 in Japan heading into weekend 3. $12M crossed on Thursday. 

[kitasss_vlc]

Holding strong at #3 in Spain on its 4th weekend! Almost 9.5M euros and 1.5M espectators

[V$.]