base talk Halsey: what went wrong?

[zoldyck]

New waves of girls came in with Billie, Olivia, Doja, Dua. 

 

Similar to Katy she wasn't able to maintain success once radio started favoring them new girls.

[Achilles.]

Nothing “went wrong” really. She was never really a pop hitmaker, just a well known artist who got a few pop smashes as a fluke. It’s almost like asking what went wrong with Hozier’s career after Take Me To Church or why Janelle Monae didn’t score ten more hits after singing the hook on We Are Young. 

[Truth Teller]

Her sound belongs to the 2015-covid era. The trend of empty sounding, underproduced, minimal moody pop is over. Blinding Lights + Future Nostalgia killed it and Olivia + the TikTok copycats buried it. 

[Truth Teller]

2 minutes ago, Achilles. said:

Nothing “went wrong” really. She was never really a pop hitmaker, just a well known artist who got a few pop smashes as a fluke. It’s almost like asking what went wrong with Hozier’s career after Take Me To Church or why Janelle Monae didn’t score ten more hits after singing the hook on We Are Young. 

Throughout her career, Halsey has mostly been a pop artist working with A-list pop producers and artists, sending her radio ready singles to the mainstream format and adding them to TTH. I agree that she was never a consistent pop hitmaker but, unlike Hozier and Janelle, it wasn't because she wasn't making pop music or wasn't trying to get hits. She just wasn't that popular.

[LatinFreak]

Shes annoying and try hard. 

[Raphy23]

Closer, Now or Never, Him & I, Bad At Love, Without Me, Eastside, Nightmare (and to an extent Graveyard, You Should Be Sad, and Be kind) were hits on radio in my area.

[Raphy23]

She had a string of hits. So Good is getting good airplay so far but we'll see how that goes.

[shelven]

1 hour ago, Cain said:

I think WM was a fluke, she hasn’t had much solo success before or after that song

This (and I'm a stan so I don't mean this as shade). People vastly overrate her mainstream commercial power as a solo artist because of Without Me. She has a big fanbase so she'll always do well in album sales, long-term streaming numbers and touring, but she was never this huge force from the GP's perspective. Her only other real solo hit outside of Without Me was Bad At Love which was very radio-fuelled.

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

1 hour ago, Cain said:

I think WM was a fluke, she hasn’t had much solo success before or after that song

Bad at Love was top 10 for 10 weeks at #5 back in 2017-2018. I don’t blame you for forgetting though, it feels very forgotten and hardly like one of her most memorable songs. I honestly didn’t remember until responding to this. 
 

I just think her peak 2017-2019. She has followed a similar career trajectory to Camila, who peaked at roughly the same time.  She also decided to do a super artsy era last year and it did not pay off. 

[Cain]

6 minutes ago, MusicTalker said:

Bad at Love was top 10 for 10 weeks at #5 back in 2017-2018. I don’t blame you for forgetting though, it feels very forgotten and hardly like one of her most memorable songs. I honestly didn’t remember until responding to this. 
 

I just think her peak 2017-2019. She has followed a similar career trajectory to Camila, who peaked at roughly the same time.  She also decided to do a super artsy era last year and it did not pay off. 

BAL is extremely, extremely local and was carried by radio

 

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Halsey was never a solo hitmaker imo and WM was really a lucky shot, it wasn't even supposed to be a lead or anything it was just a droplet 

Edited July 5, 2022 by Cain

[rebeltwat]

she had a few commercial flukes and that was it. Nothing really happened there. It's like Lorde after Pure Heroine, or Ellie after 2012-2015 (in the US), or even Charli after Boom Clap. They had their moments but continue to make great music for their respective fan bases. 

[Godly]

No shade but I don't think I've ever heard her name uttered in real life, it's like she only exists within her fanbase outside of a few faceless successful hits. So with that in mind it's surprising she even got this far I guess

[dirrtydiana]

Closer

[Freakshowvato]

I’m just confused, like why can’t someone underperform in ONE single without all the threads and meltdowns…  no one stays on top forever. Even all of your favs who are doing so well rn will eventually flop. It’s the natural cycle of a music career. And that’s OK. 

 

Halsey can still achieve hits if she focused on delivering bops that are of quality. 

[Freakshowvato]

41 minutes ago, Godly said:

No shade but I don't think I've ever heard her name uttered in real life, it's like she only exists within her fanbase outside of a few faceless successful hits. So with that in mind it's surprising she even got this far I guess

Her fanbase is huge like Taylor’s, she has a very devoted fanbase MUSICALLY that supports her music projects. All her albums sold more than Selena’s first week, sans IICHLIWP which still sold 98K but without any hits or true singles (unlike Selena who needs that to achieve such a number). She’s also selling out arenas worldwide currently 

 

not everyone needs to be a huge celebrity to be huge in music (which is why I compared her to Selena who is a huge celebrity yet performing worse in music)

Edited July 5, 2022 by Freakshowvato

[Selegend]

11 minutes ago, Freakshowvato said:

Her fanbase is huge like Taylor’s, she has a very devoted fanbase MUSICALLY that supports her music projects. All her albums sold more than Selena’s first week, sans IICHLIWP which still sold 98K but without any hits or true singles (unlike Selena who needs that to achieve such a number). She’s also selling out arenas worldwide currently 

 

not everyone needs to be a huge celebrity to be huge in music (which is why I compared her to Selena who is a huge celebrity yet performing worse in music)

why don't u compare Halsey with your fave my love? 

 

it's incredible how two-faced you are. obsessing and hating over selena in every thread possible and still going to her base to praise something that u falsely attack on other thread just to create hate for her. say on her base that she was great in OMITB and come to other thread saying her acting was faceless. please get some decency

 

 

[Godly]

25 minutes ago, Freakshowvato said:

Her fanbase is huge like Taylor’s, she has a very devoted fanbase MUSICALLY that supports her music projects. All her albums sold more than Selena’s first week, sans IICHLIWP which still sold 98K but without any hits or true singles (unlike Selena who needs that to achieve such a number). She’s also selling out arenas worldwide currently 

 

not everyone needs to be a huge celebrity to be huge in music (which is why I compared her to Selena who is a huge celebrity yet performing worse in music)

Uh ok? I didn't say she has no fans, I said she's sort of irrelevant/borderline unknown outside of them. Two different things 

[stevenisFADING]

The music wasn't tailor made for radio/GP. That's all. 

She didn't really chase trends and you could hear that in her albums. She would have the one/two radio-ready singles but then her albums were indicative of who she is/was as an artist.

 

 

If I Can't Have Love I Want Power is a masterpiece. I truly loved the album and the tour supporting the record. 

[Selenasworld]

Halsey? She is pursuing the "arts" now and I think she likes more that if she wants bops she's still marketable ti think she even overcomed a drugs consume scandal 

[Jagger]

Never releasing music as good as Badlands again 

[Freakshowvato]

1 hour ago, Selegend said:

why don't u compare Halsey with your fave my love? 

 

it's incredible how two-faced you are. obsessing and hating over selena in every thread possible and still going to her base to praise something that u falsely attack on other thread just to create hate for her. say on her base that she was great in OMITB and come to other thread saying her acting was faceless. please get some decency

 

 

Demi isn’t as big of a celebrity as Selena do that point couldn’t be made. But yeah Halsey albums in past outsold Demi too! 

[More Than A Melody]

1 hour ago, Freakshowvato said:

Her fanbase is huge like Taylor’s, she has a very devoted fanbase MUSICALLY that supports her music projects. All her albums sold more than Selena’s first week, sans IICHLIWP which still sold 98K but without any hits or true singles (unlike Selena who needs that to achieve such a number). She’s also selling out arenas worldwide currently 

 

not everyone needs to be a huge celebrity to be huge in music (which is why I compared her to Selena who is a huge celebrity yet performing worse in music)

I don't dislike Halsey but why are you comparing her fanbase to TAYLOR SWIFT's? Huh? Taylor has the biggest fanbase out of all the female music artists. How is it comparable? I'm not even having a dig at Halsey's fanbase, which I know is sizeable, but that's a setup. I, frankly, think Selena's fanbase is bigger too.

 

Manic's first week sales were bundled

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Of Manic’s debut unit sum of 239,000 units, album sales comprise 180,000, while SEA units total 56,000 (equating to 75.6 million on-demand streams of songs on the album) and TEA units account for 3,000. Manic’s first-week album sales number was mostly driven by sales generated by a concert ticket/album sale redemption offer with Halsey’s upcoming U.S. tour, as well as an array of merchandise/album bundles sold through her official webstore.

Revival opened with 117K which is bigger than both Badlands (115K) and Hopeless Fountain Kingdom (106K), Rare opened with 112K which is in the ballpark of all three of the albums I mentioned: above HFK and only 3K below Badlands. Her lowest opening week was Stars Dance with 97K which is not even 9K behind HFK and 18K below Badlands... It's not really the smoking gun you make it out to be when all five of these albums oscillate in a 20K window.

 

Realistically, the only album of Halsey's that was bigger than Selena's opening weeks was Manic, which was incredibly bolstered by bundles, something Selena has never done (I'm not against bundles, I'm simply against using them to argue sales against artists who don't use them). Halsey's albums were overall bigger, obviously, since she had a lot more hits than Selena, but that's on the GP, first week is fanbases...

 

I don't think Halsey is "over" or anything and I don't really get the comparisons with Dua Lipa of all people  they're nothing alike. I think she's an artist with a cute fanbase that will carry her at the beginning and then, like all artists, depends on the GP latching on to her projects. It's happened on and off for her. Lately she doesn't seem to care that much for it and her latest project was more artsy. I hardly think she expected it to be a massive album, considering its concept.

 

If she wanted to have big hits then she would probably try something different and I don't think she does. Perhaps she will in the future.

[Freakshowvato]

33 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

I don't dislike Halsey but why are you comparing her fanbase to TAYLOR SWIFT's? Huh? Taylor has the biggest fanbase out of all the female music artists. How is it comparable? I'm not even having a dig at Halsey's fanbase, which I know is sizeable, but that's a setup. I, frankly, think Selena's fanbase is bigger too.

 

Manic's first week sales were bundled

Revival opened with 117K which is bigger than both Badlands (115K) and Hopeless Fountain Kingdom (106K), Rare opened with 112K which is in the ballpark of all three of the albums I mentioned: above HFK and only 3K below Badlands. Her lowest opening week was Stars Dance with 97K which is not even 9K behind HFK and 18K below Badlands... It's not really the smoking gun you make it out to be when all five of these albums oscillate in a 20K window.

 

Realistically, the only album of Halsey's that was bigger than Selena's opening weeks was Manic, which was incredibly bolstered by bundles, something Selena has never done (I'm not against bundles, I'm simply against using them to argue sales against artists who don't use them). Halsey's albums were overall bigger, obviously, since she had a lot more hits than Selena, but that's on the GP, first week is fanbases...

 

I don't think Halsey is "over" or anything and I don't really get the comparisons with Dua Lipa of all people  they're nothing alike. I think she's an artist with a cute fanbase that will carry her at the beginning and then, like all artists, depends on the GP latching on to her projects. It's happened on and off for her. Lately she doesn't seem to care that much for it and her latest project was more artsy. I hardly think she expected it to be a massive album, considering its concept.

 

If she wanted to have big hits then she would probably try something different and I don't think she does. Perhaps she will in the future.

Manic had 239K sales first week. I mean her fans actually buy the music, unlike bigger celebrities. That is similar to Taylor. Revalacion sold 23K first week, IICHLIWP sold 98K. Both are passion projects. 

Halsey has sold out Madison Square Garden which is bigger than any arena show Selena has put on at in USA. 

 

Don’t discredit halseys loyal and dedicated fanbase that ACTUALLY BUYS HER MUSIC AND ATTENDS HER CONCERTS. 

for someone you “don’t hear anyone speak about irl” matching a person with a so called huge fanbase and most followed female on Instagram who has the most famous male pop star (which gave her the celebrity power) as her ex , that is pretty good 

 

I mean this with full sincerity <3

Edited July 5, 2022 by Freakshowvato

[Aaron]

Her brand is too 2015-2017’d

[Godly]

35 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Halsey's albums were overall bigger, obviously, since she had a lot more hits than Selena, but that's on the GP, first week is fanbases...

She what