Taylucifer Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) eww not the annoying **** already in this thread she looks gorgeous the video is so cute Edited May 18, 2022 by Taylucifer
Hephaestus Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, DatChickDoe said: Its a doctorate of fine arts. She has routinely shown her depth of knowledge in the subject matter. She spent 15 years proving it and her knowledge. She has been routinely quizzed in interviews on her depth of knowledge over the years. If they gave her a PHD in medicine, it would be an embarrassment and irresponsible. They are showing her experience and knowledge that is well documented is worthy of a degree. Plus the students have an elite honor of ‘graduating’ with Taylor Swift and it boosts the NYU prestige to have her as a “graduate”. 1 minute ago, Espresso said: Who deserves what honorary degree is wildly subjective, but the system's not going anywhere and the fact you're applying this virtuous standard to a private university which at the end of the day is a brand just seems really naive. I'm not a stan or casual fan of hers recently, but I think a solid argument could be made of her deserving this for the fine arts doctorate, which is specifically what she's getting, as already mentioned. This isn't engineering, medicine or law. If you want to make an argument about the classical arts, I also think that's a really old-fashioned argument that doesn't touch on the conversations alone she's sparked within popular music with her press alone, rightfully or wrongfully. There are literally two artists I think of first when it comes to discussions about royalties for not just established, but newer artists, as well as streaming - Radiohead and Taylor Swift. Tons of music press alone about this in an industry that's getting more brutal for those that aren't already an established touring presence. Then there's the court case with the DJ, etc during the #MeToo movement and much more. If you want to make the discussion about her being spoiled and not in the trenches so she can afford to make these arguments for just herself unlike a lot of poor newer artists who can't raise their voice I also don't think that's fair or productive. She could have shut up, and didn't. Same goes for the politics, late or not. Spilled They're giving the honorary degree to someone that has worked for 15 years in the field, making an actual impact on the industry, not to the new artist on the scene. Blame the system, but as long as it exists, she's 100% deserving of the acknowledgement.
Zack Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Everyone knows honorary "degrees" are overwhelmingly handed out as vanity awards to attract publicity and/or financial donations to the university/college. It's not an educational award but instead a superficial one. Most universities add restrictions on the title conferred for this reason, so it's highly unlikely that she will be able to go around calling herself "Dr. Swift" unless she's specifically representing the university/college in some way. So congratulations I guess, but there's not really much to congratulate.
shookspeare Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 ugh imagine having Taylor as your commencement speaker, the serve... I had Tim Cook for mine
Bosque Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, shookspeare said: ugh imagine having Taylor as your commencement speaker, the serve... I had Tim Cook for mine You should have snatched that sugar daddy
WildHeart Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zack said: so it's highly unlikely that she will be able to go around calling herself "Dr. Swift" Oh what she gonna do OT : Ahh she looks so good
ATRL Moderator Legend E Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ampersand13 said: This is an incredibly privileged take. Some people are just as proficient as college students in their field but yet their experiences and professionalism should prevent them from getting a degree? Not everyone has the resources to go to school, not everyone has the same opportunities and that doesn’t mean they haven’t received the same amount of knowledge in the same fields if not even more. This is a way to articulate the validity of real world experience and how it can equate to standardized education which is an institution fraught with prejudice. How is that a privileged take? Do you know how hard it is to get a PhD? If you say not everyone has the opportunities to go to school and all that, a thing I agree with, then let's also award professionals who only got e.g. a Bachelor's or a Master's degree but worked 30+ years in their field with a PhD too, right? Maybe they also didn't have the opportunities at the time and they needed to work to make money. But no one does that because these honorary degrees only go to celebrities. At the same time, if Miss Swift and other celebrities wanted to start her university degree, she could always do it the normal route, as many people who have difficulties too (and way worse difficulties than being a "full-time celeb"). There are people who are 30+ and are just starting their Bachelor's degree.
Beyonnaise Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Taylor is so iconic for consistently making people fume over frivolous things since 2006, imagine having that power
MingYouToo Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, Espresso said: Who deserves what honorary degree is wildly subjective, but the system's not going anywhere and the fact you're applying this virtuous standard to a private university which at the end of the day is a brand just seems really naive. I'm not a stan or casual fan of hers recently, but I think a solid argument could be made of her deserving this for the fine arts doctorate, which is specifically what she's getting, as already mentioned. This isn't engineering, medicine or law. If you want to make an argument about the classical arts, I also think that's a really old-fashioned argument that doesn't touch on the conversations alone she's sparked within popular music from her press. There are literally two artists I think of first when it comes to discussions about royalties for not just established, but newer artists, as well as streaming - Radiohead and Taylor Swift. Lots of coverage on this in an industry that's getting more brutal for those that aren't already an established touring presence. Then there's the court case with the DJ, etc during the #MeToo movement and much more. If you want to make the discussion about her being spoiled and not in the trenches so she could and can afford to make these arguments for just herself unlike a lot of poor newer artists who can't raise their voice I also don't think that's fair or productive. She could have shut up, and didn't. Same goes for the politics, late or not. THIS! If anyone deserves a Fine Arts degree for their art contribution to modern day society, its Taylor Swift (amongst other big name artists too!). She probably knows more about the real world applications of all these music business, contract work, production things the BFA students get taught. She doesn't have the theoretical classroom experience but what she makes up for is in her real life practical experience.
Siberian Siren Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 If only I graduated from NYU a couple of years later...
ATRL Moderator Ampersand13 Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Legend E said: How is that a privileged take? Do you know how hard it is to get a PhD? If you say not everyone has the opportunities to go to school and all that, a thing I agree with, then let's also award professionals who only got e.g. a Bachelor's or a Master's degree but worked 30+ years in their field with a PhD too, right? Maybe they also didn't have the opportunities at the time and they needed to work to make money. But no one does that because these honorary degrees only go to celebrities. At the same time, if Miss Swift and other celebrities wanted to start her university degree, she could always do it the normal route, as many people who have difficulties too (and way worse difficulties than being a "full-time celeb"). There are people who are 30+ and are just starting their Bachelor's degree. Actually I’m in graduate school so I don’t appreciate you implying I don’t know the difficulty of getting upper level degrees. Secondly, Taylor has worked for a decade and a half mastering songwriting, music production, and distribution. If she is not worthy of a doctorate in music, I’d like to know who is. As someone who studied music in my undergrad career and took upper division courses I can genuinely say Taylor’s work and proficiency speaks for itself. If a private university wants to award someone who has worked and mastered their field I don’t see an issue with it. Who is to say Taylor hasn’t worked just as hard as everyone else in that room?
MingYouToo Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Hephaestus said: Spilled They're giving the honorary degree to someone that has worked for 15 years in the field, making an actual impact on the industry, not to the new artist on the scene. Blame the system, but as long as it exists, she's 100% deserving of the acknowledgement. She contributes to the actual things BFAs in Music, BSBAs in Music Business Admins and other fields actually study. She truly deserves the honoris causa degree whether or not the haters can accept it!
ATRL Moderator Legend E Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Ampersand13 said: Actually I’m in graduate school so I don’t appreciate you implying I don’t know the difficulty of getting upper level degrees. Secondly, Taylor has worked for a decade and a half mastering songwriting, music production, and distribution. If she is not worthy of a doctorate in music, I’d like to know who is. As someone who studied music in my undergrad career and took upper division courses I can genuinely say Taylor’s work and proficiency speaks for itself. If a private university wants to award someone who has worked and mastered their field I don’t see an issue with it. Who is to say Taylor hasn’t worked just as hard as everyone else in that room? No one said anything about whether she deserves it or not. It is about the way she and other celebrities obtained it. But then, let's give it to every acclaimed artist/songwriter/etc. Let's give it to every acclaimed producer, sound engineer, etc. Which would be great, but it's just not a thing that happens. And some of these people probably all worked more years and on more projects than her, yet they don't get a PhD.
Vermillion Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zack said: Everyone knows honorary "degrees" are overwhelmingly handed out as vanity awards to attract publicity and/or financial donations to the university/college. It's not an educational award but instead a superficial one. Most universities add restrictions on the title conferred for this reason, so it's highly unlikely that she will be able to go around calling herself "Dr. Swift" unless she's specifically representing the university/college in some way. So congratulations I guess, but there's not really much to congratulate. All true, but in an argument on hypocrisy and meritocracy vis a vis the U.S university system, Taylor Swift is low-hanging fruit. She's smart enough not to be asking interviewers to call her that either because you know everyone and their grandmother would be coming for her. It's much more productive to come for legacy admissions, the consistent and biggest elephant in the room no one wants to address amid all these conversations around affirmative action, some of which are entirely legit but many aren't.
LosingHimWasBlue Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, Taylucifer said: eww not the annoying **** already in this thread she looks gorgeous the video is so cute Stan behavior OT : Dr. Swift
JasonGosling Posted May 18, 2022 Posted May 18, 2022 Why can't people be happy for her? Btw, her good choice of music - See You Now by beabadoobee
ATRL Moderator bluebirdsforever Posted May 18, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted May 18, 2022 The way Taylor starts discourse in fandom circles about literally everything, including honorary degrees, something that has been happening without issue since the literal middle ages Congratulations Doctor
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