discussion Mpox (Monkeypox) thread - 1st case outside Africa

[Protocol]

Just now, hurricane326 said:

A 1989 study found having over 100 partners to be present though rare among homosexual males.^[26] An extensive 1994 study found that difference in the mean number of sexual partners between gay and straight men "did not appear very large".^[27][28]

A 2007 study reported that two large population surveys found "the majority of gay men had similar numbers of unprotected sexual partners annually as straight men and women."^[29][30]

The 2013 British NATSAL study found that gay men typically had 19 sexual partners in a lifetime (median).^[31] In the previous year, 51.8% reported having either 0 or 1 sexual partner. A further 21.3% reported having between 2 and 4 sexual partners, 7.3% reported having between 5 and 9, and 19.6% reported having 10 or more sexual partners.^[31] This reflects previous findings that a minority of gay men have a disproportionate share of all gay sex.^[32]

A 2014 study in Australia found gay men had a median of 22 sexual partners in a lifetime (sexual partner meant any sexual contact, including kissing).^[33] 30% of gay respondents reported 0–9 partners in their lifetime. 50.1% of gay men reported having either 0 or 1 partner in the previous year, while 25.6% reported 10 or more partners in the previous year.

Research on gay sexual behavior may overrepresent promiscuous respondents.^[34][27][35] This is because gay men are a small portion of the male population, and thus many researchers have relied on convenience surveys to research behavior of gay men. Examples of this type of sampling includes surveying men on dating apps such as Grindr, or finding volunteers at gay bars, clubs and saunas. Convenience surveys often exclude gay men who are in a relationship, and gay men who do not use dating apps or attend gay venues.^[34][36] Some researchers reported that British and European convenience surveys included approximately five times as many gay men who reported "5 or more sexual partners" than the nationally representative NATSAL study did.^[37][35] Probability sample surveys are more useful in this regard, because they seek to accurately reflect the characteristics of the gay male population. Examples include the NATSAL in the United Kingdom and the General Social Survey in the United States.

John Corvino has said that many opponents to gay rights often rely on convenience sample statistics to support their belief that gay men are promiscuous, but that larger representative samples show that the difference is not so large, and that extreme promiscuity occurs in a minority of gay men.^[38] Psychologist J. Michael Bailey has stated that social conservatives have taken such surveys as evidence of a "decadent" nature of gay men, but says "I think they’re wrong. Gay men who are promiscuous are expressing an essentially masculine trait. They are doing what most heterosexual men would do if they could. They are in this way just like heterosexual men, except that they don’t have women to constrain them."^[39]

Regarding sexually transmitted infections (STIs), some researchers have said that the number of sexual partners had by gay men does not explain the rates of HIV infection, since most had similar numbers of sexual partners as straight men on an annual basis. They say that anal sex, which holds a much higher risk of HIV transmission, is the primary transmission factor, with number of sexual partners as a secondary factor.^[40]

 

 

Stop being homophobic

I am a gay man sweetie, and I am not self-hating, I am simply stating the truth. Yes there are gay men who don't have all that much sex. But there is a significant subset who have a TON of casual sex, and it's that subset that spread HIV/AIDS in the 70s and 80s and the subset that is currently spreading monkeypox. Does it mean they deserve it? NO. It's awful and horrible and I really hope this new thing does not become a pandemic, but based on precedent it's not looking good, especially with Pride month being around the corner and we all know what happens during Pride month.

[Protocol]

13 minutes ago, hurricane326 said:

We're talking about most likely less than 1% of the global population - a subset of a subset

 

HIV was spread because of unprotected an@l/oral, which has an astronomically higher chance of spreading any STD, especially the former. Straight couples/hookups tend to do just vaginal, almost always. 

 

It really has nothing to do with promiscuity at all

 

Sorry for accusing you

Yes of course it's less than 1% of global population, but still significant enough that it spreads STDs at a much higher rate. HIV is spread more easily by anal sex, yes, but that is how a lot of gay men have sex, and it was spread in large part because of bathhouse culture in cities like New York and San Francisco. I really recommend reading 'And the Band Played On', every gay man should, it's one of the definitive accounts of how the AIDS epidemic started. It's really tragic and heartbreaking and shows the callous indifference that politicians had towards the issue including Ronald Reagan and his administration, but also the recalcitrant denial that many gay activists had where they refused to shut down bathhouses despite tons of infections being traced there. They couldn't accept that sexual liberation had brought on this monster. Unfortunately because of it's up to 10 year incubation period, HIV was already hugely prevalent among gay men in major cities before people had even started dying. Many believe that the 1976 Bicentennial celebration of the US declaration of independence, which drew hundreds of thousands to New York for huge parties, including many gay men, was a key moment of HIV transmission. Those men infected would then take up to a decade to die while they were transmitting it to others unwittingly.

 

Thankfully monkeypox seems to have an incubation period of only three weeks.

 

But the PrEP and Party culture among that subset of gay men is dangerous when you consider what happened with HIV. Unfortunately nature does not care about our feelings or our sexual liberation. Close contact with other humans is a good way for nasty viruses and bacteria to spread.

[AlanRickman1946]

21 hours ago, Mr.Link said:

The fact that all these primate-born diseases originated because someone couldn’t resist eating or literally ******* a monkey…

Remember that thread on oldtrl of the orang utan found shaved and chained up in a palm oil plantation in Indonesia?

 

https://atrl.net/forums/topic/198895-orangutan-forced-into-prostitution-in-indonesia/page/2/

Edited May 20, 2022 by AlanRickman1946

[Protocol]

Just now, hurricane326 said:

What? That's a ridiculous statement. Gay men have been having sex since the dawn of humanity. Liberation meant they could be open about it. Gay mass hookup places existed LONG before AIDS. It's literally what the song "YMCA" is about. It legit sounds you're blaming gay men for AIDS - it really really does. 

Not to the same extent at all. Bathhouses like the ones in NYC and SF in the 70s and 80s? Absolutely not.

 

I am explaining why it spread among gay men. Gay men did not originate AIDS. It is no one's "fault". Read the book and do research and then come in this thread to throw accusations.

[Protocol]

Just now, hurricane326 said:

I'm honestly more upset that you're blaming gay liberation of all things.

That's your problem if your reading comprehension is that bad

[Protocol]

1 minute ago, hurricane326 said:

 

Context sweetheart. It's not the sole cause. But it enabled it.

[Cute]

Iranians won yet again 

[Jotham]

Hopefully we won't need another megathread for this like we did for COVID.

[AlanRickman1946]

4 minutes ago, hurricane326 said:

 

Regardless of sexual orientation:

Sex can result in STDs

The more sexual partners, the higher the chance

Edited May 20, 2022 by AlanRickman1946

[khalyan]

1 hour ago, Chemist said:

Yup!

Done

[Pikachoo]

1 hour ago, Protocol said:

I am a gay man sweetie, and I am not self-hating, I am simply stating the truth. Yes there are gay men who don't have all that much sex. But there is a significant subset who have a TON of casual sex, and it's that subset that spread HIV/AIDS in the 70s and 80s and the subset that is currently spreading monkeypox. Does it mean they deserve it? NO. It's awful and horrible and I really hope this new thing does not become a pandemic, but based on precedent it's not looking good, especially with Pride month being around the corner and we all know what happens during Pride month.

@hurricane326 just posted a ton of academic studies stating that gay men have the same amount of sex as heterosexuals do.  Do you have your own evidence to back up this claim like he did?

[Revolution]

Monkeypox has reached Australia. 

 

[Chimichanga]

If it's confirmed that this is spreading mostly among gay men --and Portugal and the UK have said so --, it seems illogical that transmission happens by coughing or sharing air. It's likely anal sex.

Edited May 20, 2022 by Chimichanga

[Sergi91]

4 minutes ago, Chimichanga said:

If it's confirmed that this is spreading mostly among gay men --and Portugal and the UK have said so --, it seems illogical that transmission happens by coughing or sharing air. It's likely anal sex.

PRIDE parades are coming up…. I hope it doesn’t spread everywhere 

[Rainy Devil]

11 minutes ago, Sergi91 said:

PRIDE parades are coming up…. I hope it doesn’t spread everywhere 

Cancel pride parades asap before is too late. 

 

Btw what happens with the skin after someone has recovered? Does it stay looking like that? Because I saw some pictures and I'm kinda scared. 

[Protocol]

20 minutes ago, Chimichanga said:

If it's confirmed that this is spreading mostly among gay men --and Portugal and the UK have said so --, it seems illogical that transmission happens by coughing or sharing air. It's likely anal sex.

Yes this is something that at least seems hopeful, because if it requires you to have sex-levels close contact with someone for it to spread, then it can't be THAT contagious. You certainly couldn't get it from like, sitting next to someone on an airplane (especially if you're wearing a mask). Otherwise they would have more cases instead of it just being gay men so far. 

[Protocol]

16 minutes ago, Rainy Devil said:

Cancel pride parades asap before is too late. 

 

Btw what happens with the skin after someone has recovered? Does it stay looking like that? Because I saw some pictures and I'm kinda scared. 

Smallpox notoriously caused lifelong horrific scarring.

 

I haven't been able to find enough info about monkeypox. It seems it's not studied that much in general.

[robattack332]

4 hours ago, hurricane326 said:

I'm honestly more upset that you're blaming gay liberation of all things.

He wasn't blaming.....just explaining the cause. The reasoning was that, while yes there were men having sex before, it became much more open with the sexual liberation movement in the 70s/80s. Early on, they didn't know what was going on because it takes so long to get sick from AIDs. So it's not their fault, but gay men were the ones spreading it the most at that time due to the fact that it more transmissible through anal sex + more men were sexually liberated and having more sex. It's just simple cause and effect. They weren't doing it knowingly as it started to snowball years later.

[diamondsky]

10 hours ago, plasticboy said:

if I get it, I get it. love taking random loads in h&m changing rooms 

 

Inspirational 

[Protocol]

1 hour ago, BadMonster said:

Kinda interesting why gays are getting it tho since it's already been announced there's no link between (most) clusters

They probably ****** the same down low guy

[CosTaSsSs]

Why this started with gays?

[CaptainMusic]

I’m not a conspiracy theorist but you do have to wonder that this timing is a bit strange, as soon as covid starts to die down and after Bill Gates warned of another smallpox epidemic we get this?

 

A bit too coincidental…

3 hours ago, Chimichanga said:

If it's confirmed that this is spreading mostly among gay men --and Portugal and the UK have said so --, it seems illogical that transmission happens by coughing or sharing air. It's likely anal sex.

If it spreads by anal sex hopefully condoms can at least prevent/reduce chances and you can’t get it by oral. 

 

Otherwise we’re ******. 

[CaptainMusic]

36 minutes ago, BadMonster said:

No link means that's not the case, if they all had a travel history to the same place that'd be the link

 

Not really, they've been warning of bird flu for years and if it had been bird flu people would've suddenly found it suspicious cuz someone recently mentioned it... It's pretty obvious what viruses have a greater risk of mutating or spreading to/among humans, it's called research. Not surprising they're aware of several viruses and are researching what to do and what might happen in case it actually happens, that's what these organisations are for, so we're not totally ****** and surprised once it actually happens.

 

Second case has been confirmed in Belgium

I just don’t buy it tbh and you are going to have a lot of people who didn’t feel the same way about covid thinking like this.

 

The timing is too coincidental but we will see. 

[CaptainMusic]

Just now, BadMonster said:

What's coincidental tho?

 

This are the consequences of us living in the global village + nature/the planet trying to find a way to save itself cuz there are way too many humans and we're asking way too much from the planet

It’s coincidental that as soon as life starts going back to normal after Covid the gays are suddenly targeted with ******* monkeypox which seems to be spreading in a different way than usual.  

 

I am not saying this was definitely planned but I’m also not just going to automatically believe this is all by chance. Many people in my circle are having similar thoughts and we didn’t all feel this way about covid, we just don’t know and people are allowed to be sceptical at the timing. 

[Bacardo Royale]

Great.My plans to be a h0e at pride cancelled 3rd year in a row