paulyyyozd Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides Now Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Flexus said: That’s not how interpreted it at all, the “you” is the “Auntie” in the story, and it’s meant to be a teaching moment about how they are both oppressive words. I read those lines as someone saying “you’re not going to let a white girl say the n-word, so why should I let you get away with saying f*” That’s what the switching positions is about and part of the narrative of the growth of the song. I personally agree with the people who said they appreciate the intention but wish it could have been done without the repeated use Ok, I see! I think I did completely misinterpret that part. It makes a lot more sense. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiel D-01 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Personally, I am uncomfortable when someone who’s not LGBT+ is saying it, regardless of the context. Just because it doesn’t bother you, doesn’t mean it’s okay for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Boy on Earth Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Аshanti said: Since when? Let’s just say I know some stuff. Rich from y’all to throw a member and ally under the bus for a word everyone keeps saying here. Not surprising tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delirious Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 59 minutes ago, Beyoncé Knowles said: When I was in school, Eminem was really famous. Him using the F slur in his songs, made that word even more popular for those kids in my school. I went through so much bullying. This word bring so many horrible memories. I appreciate Kendrick's message but I wish he did this song without using that word. I'm sure it's just a word for a lot of people but for us(LGBT+) it's not just a word. We have so many horrible memories attached with that word... this tbh tho ive never been called a ****** in my life thank god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOOMBAYAH Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I hate when people try and pull the oppression olympics with being black and being gay - especially straight black people (“you’re black before you’re gay”/“being black is worse than being gay”) because it’s such a case by case thing. As a black gay person, I’ve actually lived my life more in fear of being gay than being black because at least with being black most people I meet aren’t racist + I’m comfortable in my own home with my black family. But if I came out as gay, especially a few years back, I’d probably have lost most of my friends, most of my family, and be ostracised by a huge sector of society. Obviously that’s just my experience, but that’s to say I never got how people came to the conclusion that it’s worse to be one or the other when it’s clearly a very individual thing (for example, if you’re living in a homophobic African country, obviously being black > being gay). Kendrick Lamar had no business throwing around that slur to prove a point, if he was half as smart as his fanbase hype him up to be he could have delivered the same message without evoking such a strong word. The people in here saying “he’s being artistic” would probably light someone like Jack Harlow on fire if he said the n word 5 times in a song about him overcoming racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Last Boy on Earth said: Let’s just say I know some stuff. Rich from y’all to throw a member and ally under the bus for a word everyone keeps saying here. Not surprising tho Not the outing (allegedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratviolo Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said: I’ve listened to the song. I don’t even have too much of an issue with the first use of the word ******, because as you say, it’s part of the narrative he’s portraying (although I don’t think it’s necessary to use it). The part I mostly take issue with is the last stanza, as I said. He seems to be defending his use of the word because people booed him onstage when he chastised a white woman using the n-word. It’s weird to me because it’s not the LGBT community’s fault that he was booed. But he is literally setting it up that way: ”You said…” Who is “you”? Is it a “******”? That’s what is implied. Some “******” is saying “you can say ****** if I can say the n word”. It’s such a weird way to end the song. It’s almost spiteful. I may be misinterpreting but it seems like Kendrick’s frustration with white people’s understanding of racism is being taken out on the “faggots” specifically here. I also don’t think you actually answered how ****** and the n word aren’t equivalent. They’re both slurs to dehumanise groups of oppressed people. They shouldn’t be used by anyone outside of those groups imo. What I've got from the last stanza is he was recalling the time his auntie educated him and finally opened his eyes. He thought saying the *** was fine until the day his aunt made him realize how hypocritical and contradictory it was by making that comparison: Reminded me about a show I did out the city That time I brung a fan on stage to rap But disapproved the word that she couldn't say with me You said "Kendrick, ain't no room for contradiction To truly understand love, switch position 'F*****, f*****, f*****,' we can say it together But only if you let a white girl say '*****'" That's when he realized saying the *** is never fine just like it's never fine for white people to say the n-word. Or at least, that's how I understood it. That being said, I see what he was trying to do but still I would rather have him not say that word. The people in this thread gaslighting and playing the oppression Olympics here are ridiculous and harmful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hephaestus Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: I hate when people try and pull the oppression olympics with being black and being gay - especially straight black people (“you’re black before you’re gay”/“being black is worse than being gay”) because it’s such a case by case thing. As a black gay person, I’ve actually lived my life more in fear of being gay than being black because at least with being black most people I meet aren’t racist + I’m comfortable in my own home with my black family. But if I came out as gay, especially a few years back, I’d probably have lost most of my friends, most of my family, and be ostracised by a huge sector of society. Obviously that’s just my experience, but that’s to say I never got how people came to the conclusion that it’s worse to be one or the other when it’s clearly a very individual thing (for example, if you’re living in a homophobic African country, obviously being black > being gay). Kendrick Lamar had no business throwing around that slur to prove a point, if he was half as smart as his fanbase hype him up to be he could have delivered the same message without evoking such a strong word. The people in here saying “he’s being artistic” would probably light someone like Jack Harlow on fire if he said the n word 5 times in a song about him overcoming racism. Spilled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides Now Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Just now, Ratviolo said: What I've got from the last stanza is he was recalling the time his auntie educated him and finally opened his eyes. He thought saying the *** was fine until the day his aunt made him realize how hypocritical and contradictory it was by making that comparison: Reminded me about a show I did out the city That time I brung a fan on stage to rap But disapproved the word that she couldn't say with me You said "Kendrick, ain't no room for contradiction To truly understand love, switch position 'F*****, f*****, f*****,' we can say it together But only if you let a white girl say '*****'" That's when he realized saying the *** is never fine just like it's never fine for white people to say the n-word. Or at least, that's how I understood it. That being said, I see what he was trying to do but still I would rather have him not say that word. The people in this thread gaslighting and playing the oppression Olympics here are ridiculous and harmful No, I think you’re right. I got it completely mixed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeMésTragique Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Ribs said: When he defended a rapist rapper against spotify. And he set up a white girl to say n word and allowed people to attack her after that He's trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotland Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 It is disgusting! He should not be using the *** if he is not part of thee LGBTQIAA+ community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovedaddy Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToMmY Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Mohit said: obviously its disgusting but he will be easily given a free pass. The wokies have different rules for everyone. This tea. Glad I never liked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Аshanti Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, Last Boy on Earth said: Let’s just say I know some stuff. Rich from y’all to throw a member and ally under the bus for a word everyone keeps saying here. Not surprising tho Lmao you know ****. But go off, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Аshanti Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, ToMmY said: This tea. And what this tea supposed to mean, Tommy? Y'all be yippy yapping around the bush but can't actually say it. What is it, Tommy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jooj Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, K$Ellie said: he called out a white girl for singing the n word so why does he think he can say this This x1000 I know it's not an equal comparison but both are slurs regardless. People saying otherwise just never let LGBTQIA+ vocalize their rights Edited May 13, 2022 by Jooj Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slate Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Not people defending this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 The far left of ATRL strikes again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToMmY Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Аshanti said: And what this tea supposed to mean, Tommy? Y'all be yippy yapping around the bush but can't actually say it. What is it, Tommy? What bush, idiot? It means that I find interesting how he set a fan up to say the n-word during a concert and then called her out and let her fans attack her just for now to repeatedly say the *** and be defended by his fans. The selective wokeness of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 43 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: I hate when people try and pull the oppression olympics with being black and being gay - especially straight black people (“you’re black before you’re gay”/“being black is worse than being gay”) because it’s such a case by case thing. As a black gay person, I’ve actually lived my life more in fear of being gay than being black because at least with being black most people I meet aren’t racist + I’m comfortable in my own home with my black family. But if I came out as gay, especially a few years back, I’d probably have lost most of my friends, most of my family, and be ostracised by a huge sector of society. Obviously that’s just my experience, but that’s to say I never got how people came to the conclusion that it’s worse to be one or the other when it’s clearly a very individual thing (for example, if you’re living in a homophobic African country, obviously being black > being gay). Kendrick Lamar had no business throwing around that slur to prove a point, if he was half as smart as his fanbase hype him up to be he could have delivered the same message without evoking such a strong word. The people in here saying “he’s being artistic” would probably light someone like Jack Harlow on fire if he said the n word 5 times in a song about him overcoming racism. Exactly. As a gay black man myself, the homophobia I’ve dealt with in my own community trumps any racism I’ve dealt with ever. That’s just my experience but it’s valid to me. My entire family still thinks gay people are satans spawns . My grandmother wouldn’t even let my gay uncle on her property after he came out. To sit here and act like he’s excused and allowed to say the *** because “it doesn’t hold as much weight” is SUCH an ignorant thing to say on a forum literally used by majority LGBTQ+. The constant mental gymnastics ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCal Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 nice, so now all the straights will get more comfortable using it, cause they will mean it in the non-homophobic way, pro lgbt in fact like some of you atrl defending it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bync Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Blizzard said: I’m not gonna tell anyone to not to be offended, everyone has different sensitivities, but for me… I’m not offended. Especially given the context of the song’s lyrics and message. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prisoner Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I think slurs are okay to say as long as it's not directed at anyone. And before anyone comes for me, the same goes for the n word, t word, r word, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bync Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. Specialist said: The ignorance and lack of comprehension in this thread… Jesus Christ. Did Kendrick have to use the word? No. But I appreciate Kendrick’s message. Do I think this will influence his fans to use the word more? No. Kendrick’s intentions are pure and he’s not using the word to insult anybody. Move on. MTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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