discussion UK to keep conversion therapy legal for gay adults & all trans youth

[Communion]

 

[bunnyeyes]

What people don’t realize is most trans conversion therapy practices were directly taken from LGB conversion tactics by the original architects

Edited May 11, 2022 by IvyTower

[Bloodflowers.]

Me when I can't find a man so I consent to a British conversion theraphy

[Jack!]

Saying they're banning all but "consensual conversion therapy" is such a redundant way for the Tories to say "we're not banning conversion therapy at all and we never ever planned to despite this bill we tried to throw out a few weeks ago being hot in the news because of this".

 

I'd rather they were much more blatant with their homophobia and transphobia, rather than facading their views as pragmatic so to not lose their swing voters. It makes no difference to staunch tory voters as they are homophobic and transphobic anyway. Conversion therapy is inherently non-consensual and this is just typical nonsense from this party.

[Karla Cabello]

[Pop Life]

No one, ever, in the history of the human race has ever "consented" to conversion therapy 

[JoanneActII]

So it isn't being banned then basically...

[fountain]

So actually, conversion therapy is still legal. They lied. As usual. 

[John Slayne]

so nothing changed. got it.

 

tbh i never expected the bill to pass with this government, they are rotten

[Bloo]

This is abhorrent. Children can't consent to conversion therapy their bigoted parents are forcing them into. 

[Lyrique]

On 5/11/2022 at 7:42 PM, Bloo said:

This is abhorrent. Children can't consent to conversion therapy their bigoted parents are forcing them into. 

I mean minors can't necessarily consent to transgender surgeries or genital altering procedures either, right?

Edited May 15, 2022 by Lyrique

[Bloo]

33 minutes ago, Lyrique said:

I mean minors can't necessarily consent to transgender surgeries or genital altering procedures either, right?

Which is why gender-affirming surgeries are usually withheld until someone is an adult. What’s your point?

[Robert]

They have been so many u-turns with this. They just don’t give a ****.

[Lyrique]

6 hours ago, Bloo said:

Which is why gender-affirming surgeries are usually withheld until someone is an adult. What’s your point?

Right, but I thought Leftist and Progressive thought advocates for minors to be able to undergo gender-affirming surgeries, though? Which is why they were so angry about trans youth facing restrictions on being able to do that in Texas.

[Communion]

37 minutes ago, Lyrique said:

Right, but I thought Leftist and Progressive thought advocates for minors to be able to undergo gender-affirming surgeries, though? Which is why they were so angry about trans youth facing restrictions on being able to do that in Texas.

Do you think taking prescribed medication is a type of "surgery"?

[Bloo]

4 hours ago, Lyrique said:

Right, but I thought Leftist and Progressive thought advocates for minors to be able to undergo gender-affirming surgeries, though? Which is why they were so angry about trans youth facing restrictions on being able to do that in Texas.

Leftists and progressives are getting upset gender-affirming care, which includes (but is not limited to) seeing a therapist that isn’t transphobic. First, that is not a surgery. Two, that’s a basic thing any kid deserves. 

[Lyrique]

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

Leftists and progressives are getting upset gender-affirming care, which includes (but is not limited to) seeing a therapist that isn’t transphobic. First, that is not a surgery. Two, that’s a basic thing any kid deserves. 

If progressives support trans folks speaking to therapists, then why do they want to stop people (including adults) from seeking conversion therapy? I feel like they would want LGBTQ+ folks to seek the care they desire.

[Bloo]

37 minutes ago, Lyrique said:

If progressives support trans folks speaking to therapists, then why do they want to stop people (including adults) from seeking conversion therapy? I feel like they would want LGBTQ+ folks to seek the care they desire.

You’re new and you’re already equating conversation therapy to mental healthcare? I’m gonna drop the conversation here.
 

Judging from your first few posts, I suggest you read the rules to ATRL, particularly the Zero Tolerance Policy.

https://atrl.net/rules/

[Communion]

44 minutes ago, Lyrique said:

If progressives support trans folks speaking to therapists, then why do they want to stop people (including adults) from seeking conversion therapy? I feel like they would want LGBTQ+ folks to seek the care they desire.

Conversion therapy is outlawed in many countries not via healthcare laws (since most working in this scam are not actually doctors or therapists who can be regulated) but through consumer protection laws, banning it because you cannot offer to sell a service that does not exist. 

 

You cannot make someone who is trans then cis or someone gay then straight. These things are not possible. Hence they're outlawed on the basis of defrauding. 

 

So to reiterare: Gender-affirming care is valid and real healthcare while conversion therapy is a high-level form of scam artistry performed by bigots. Glad we can agree!

[Lyrique]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

You cannot make someone who is trans then cis or someone gay then straight. These things are not possible. Hence they're outlawed on the basis of defrauding. 

Even so, if someone has a different religion than you or a different viewpoint, shouldn't you respect that? If someone wants to seek seek a certain type of therapy, you may think it is futile, but shouldn't you respect that they may see it differently?

[The7thStranger]

2 hours ago, Lyrique said:

Even so, if someone has a different religion than you or a different viewpoint, shouldn't you respect that? If someone wants to seek seek a certain type of therapy, you may think it is futile, but shouldn't you respect that they may see it differently?

Problem here is that people of "different religions" like to apply their religious standard to everybody else's lives.

 

Whatever it is you're trying to do, you're not good at it.

[ATRL Moderation Team]

On 5/15/2022 at 6:22 PM, Lyrique said:

I mean minors can't necessarily consent to transgender surgeries or genital altering procedures either, right?

Interesting that you and @Olivey share very similar views, similar IPs and devices. 

[Vermillion]

The second I read the first post of theirs I knew they'd be gone shortly. And...like clockwork.

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

1 hour ago, ATRL Feedback said:

Interesting that you and @Olivey share very similar views, similar IPs and devices. 

"Fan of JK Rowling"

 

Of course they are 

[Horizon Flame]

On 5/16/2022 at 11:15 AM, Lyrique said:

Even so, if someone has a different religion than you or a different viewpoint, shouldn't you respect that? If someone wants to seek seek a certain type of therapy, you may think it is futile, but shouldn't you respect that they may see it differently?

No.