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[KFC]

55 minutes ago, publikcitizen said:

Overall Idid enjoy it but i think I preferred part one to this, just because i get so uncomfortable with religion and seeing people act in a cultish manner.

Omg the religous zeal made me so uncomfortable too. Glad I'm not the only one  and it also kinda scared me how at the beginning of the movie there were lots of non-believers but by the end it was JUST Chani

[QueenB]

1 hour ago, publikcitizen said:

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I’m curious as to what the consequences that will arise when the baby is born. If anyone has read Messiah, does the baby show up? 

 

Spoiler

The baby is actually already born in Dune. Part 2 of the movie takes place within like.. 9 months, the book it's actually several years before the confrontation with the Emperor. She's actually the one who kills the baron. She's considered an abomination by the bene gesserit as they fear a child with their gifts. 

 

[publikcitizen]

12 minutes ago, QueenB said:

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The baby is actually already born in Dune. Part 2 of the movie takes place within like.. 9 months, the book it's actually several years before the confrontation with the Emperor. She's actually the one who kills the baron. She's considered an abomination by the bene gesserit as they fear a child with their gifts. 

 

No I’m talking about 

Spoiler

The baby conceived between Lea and Austin’s characters. 

 

[KnightOfAllRealms]

4 hours ago, BNF91 said:

Very early Wednesday- $6.5M

 

This could set up $45-47M 2nd wknd as a possibility 

BNF, they're saying 50M+ now based on presales if that happens, how much do you predict final run WW?

[publikcitizen]

32 minutes ago, KFC said:

Omg the religous zeal made me so uncomfortable too. Glad I'm not the only one  and it also kinda scared me how at the beginning of the movie there were lots of non-believers but by the end it was JUST Chani

I think so many were just so desperate for hope and a reckoning for their suffering at the hands of the house of arrorken (sp?)

[QueenB]

35 minutes ago, publikcitizen said:

No I’m talking about 

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The baby conceived between Lea and Austin’s characters. 

 

ohhh my bad, I'm not there yet in the books 

[illia]

3 hours ago, publikcitizen said:

No I’m talking about 

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The baby conceived between Lea and Austin’s characters. 

 

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No. That baby is irrelevant in the main story

She does appear in the later spin-off books written by the author's son, but she's not important

 

Edited March 7 by illia

[illia]

4 hours ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

Has anyone posting actually read all the books? 
 

I honestly couldn’t make it past Messiah even I tried to read them years ago. lol even messiah isn’t as good as the first book. 
 

 

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yeah Messiah's kinda mid (the ending is great though) and I wonder how it will be adapted as a movie, Denis knows the stakes are high

Children of Dune is much better and God Emperor is the best book to me but I know many would disagree

 

[BNF91]

3 hours ago, KnightOfAllRealms said:

BNF, they're saying 50M+ now based on presales if that happens, how much do you predict final run WW?

Could do $700-750M IMO.. it's gonna have a great hold this weekend everywhere. 

 

$250M+ domestic is becoming more and more realistic at this point, so need a $440-460M OS gross for $700M+

[James_Dean]

2 hours ago, illia said:

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yeah Messiah's kinda mid (the ending is great though) and I wonder how it will be adapted as a movie, Denis knows the stakes are high

Children of Dune is much better and God Emperor is the best book to me but I know many would disagree

 

How difficult are the books to read? Like... are they filled with lots of confusing lingo? I'm kinda tempted to start the series 

[illia]

7 minutes ago, James_Dean said:

How difficult are the books to read? Like... are they filled with lots of confusing lingo? I'm kinda tempted to start the series 

Tbh, at first it was really hard, because Frank's style of writing is very unique - it didn't feel like he was a writer, it felt like he was a philosopher who expressed his thoughts through fiction. The more I read, the more I was getting used to it

 

If you want to start the series, I suggest starting with the first book (and it will be easier since you've already watched the movies). If you can handle the first book, you can try Messiah. But if you don't, better wait for the movie

 

[orange22]

7 hours ago, illia said:

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No. That baby is irrelevant in the main story

She does appear in the later spin-off books written by the author's son, but she's not important

 

 

Nooooo 

[DAP]

Austin Butler the man that you are

 

[orange22]

2 minutes ago, DAP said:

Austin Butler the man that you are

 

Best Supporting Actor incoming 

 

and make his daughta a main character going forward fuq the books!

 

[Babydoll.]

what a gag this film is, lea turned it out. a stunning opening too. im gonna go see it again luuuuuved it <3

 

i wish more focus was given to the details of the bene gesserit f*ckery. like i wanted to see waaay more direct examples. it translates to from the book to film so well IMO. same for the time spent with the harkonnens. could have been way more detailed and disturbing.

 

oh and stilgars and chani's characterisation (and to some extent paul's) felt very rushed into towards the end lol.

[Haus-Of_Mck]

Movie was EPIC, the VISUALS, ACTING, SCORE

 

I'm glad is slaying the box office

[vale9001]

12 hours ago, KnightOfAllRealms said:

BNF, they're saying 50M+ now based on presales if that happens, how much do you predict final run WW?

280-320M range.

[BNF91]

Actual Wednesday was even higher.. $6.65M 

 

It is flying past Dune Part One's entire domestic run sometime today.

Edited March 7 by BNF91

[vale9001]

15 hours ago, publikcitizen said:

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Can someone who read the books clarify something for me? So the story takes place 10,000 years from now and the Christian and Islam religions merged to what the fremens practice now? And what the rest of the universe worship is corrupted by the bene gesseit with their multiple prophets? 

 

 

kinda of. The people you see on Dune are humans from earth (earth got destroyed). Atreides  come from Greece, Arkonnen from Sweden for example.

 

10k years before the Dune events there was a war between AI and human beings, not only cause AI took the control (like in Terminator) but also because some people started to believe machines were ruining the "human potential". To understand: humans desire to fly, for the way evolution works in years (well a lot of them) probably our evolution potential was to have wings. But we invented machines can fly so the evolution won't go in that direction anymore at this point. The sense of Dune as saga is human potential, especially for what is the mind, should be at its full realization and only at the point there isn't any mental barrier anymore the humanity is perfect and without problems.

 

The war between machines and humans happened because a new religion formed based on a book called Orange Catholic Bible, which was a kinda of mix of christianity, islam and all the monotheistic religions (even during dune events the characters still read and believe in this bible). The point of this religion is the human potential is over everthing and the soul is the centre of the humans, so the machines can't be used.

 

So it was basically a true holy war, for this is called Butlerian Jihad (Butlerian from the name of Serena Butler, the commander of the war against the technology).

They won these wars so technology was banned.

During these wars the Spice on Arrakis is discovered.

 

As of result of these events 3 schools for the emporowment of human condition were created cause all of them use the spice to potentiate themselves: the school of Bene Gesserit (they control the expansion of the mind), the mentat school (to create humans can became calculators now calculators can't be used anymore) and the Spacing guild. The member of the Spacing guild are trained to use the spice to have visions of the future (but limitated to their purpose, not like the bene gesserit). So even for travels in the space tecnology is not used, but human beings are used and they know where to go because of their visions. Well actually the member of the  Spacing guild even if humans have a strange form and seem not human anymore cause they are too constantly exposed to the spice. They don't show their face (at least not to normal people).

 

at this point a kinda of feudal empire is created. There is an emperor (the first is the son of Serena Butler but it changes his surname to Corrino because of a battle called like this) and a feudal system with all the houses united in a league called Landsraad.

 

What makes this system working (Corrino are the emperors for 10K years from the holy wars to the novel dune) is the emperor has the Saurdaker soldiers and no house can beat them alone and the fact everyone in this universe need the spice to travel and move.

The emperor gave the control of the important planet Dune- Arrakis to every family for an assigned period, and this is important to make an equilibrium between them. 

 

Mentat, bene gesserit and spacing guild are indipendent forces as the CHOAM, an economic entity runs the extraction of the spice. So all the houses need mentat to have calculators, they respect bene gesserit because of their role on religions, the spacing guild to travel and the CHOAM to extract  the spice.

This means even if all of them should be indipendent in the reality in a game of intrigues for the power they can be used or corrupt in some way.

 

The bene gesserit in particular (we can go back again to dune main meaning of the human potential at its highest level) believe they can create the supreme version of themselves. They can see the past and the future but only of their female ancestors (plus others limitations). There is a prophecy about a man is gonna see the future and the past of any human being before and after him, the Kwisatz Haderach (aka a sort of perfect Bene Gesserit).

 

To make this happening (to the point you ask if the prophecy is true or you make a profecy true at any cost) from centuries they  have controlled all the genetic matings of the houses with only one purpose : the creation of the Kwisatz Haderach.

 

To make this possible ( i mean the fact they can force people to have the children they say they should make with a specific designed person) they need to go around the universe to "evangelize" the world (like basically happens with all the religions in the real world) so people can recognize him but most important all their actions can move in a certain direction to make the profecy happening.

 

To make this possibile they say their Kwisatz Haderack is the one will make humanity a perfect condition to some people... his appeal on Fremen population for example is the bene gesserit for centuries created a cult about the fact this man will create the paradise on Arrakis (this means water, green and not the desert everywhere).

 

according to the plans Lady Jessica was destined to became the mother of Kwisatz Haderach but.... with a daughter should have married Austin Butler character (the bene gesserit can decide the sex of their child once they are pregnant) but she disobeyed to their order to make a boy cause the Duke leto wanted that as first child. 

 

Hope it's a kinda of clear general scheme of the saga and its meaning 

 

 

Edited March 7 by vale9001

[illia]

2 hours ago, vale9001 said:

 

 

kinda of. The people you see on Dune are humans from earth (earth got destroyed). Atreides  come from Greece, Arkonnen from Sweden for example.

 

10k years before the Dune events there was a war between AI and human beings, not only cause AI took the control (like in Terminator) but also because some people started to believe machines were ruining the "human potential". To understand: humans desire to fly, for the way evolution works in years (well a lot of them) probably our evolution potential was to have wings. But we invented machines can fly so the evolution won't go in that direction anymore at this point. The sense of Dune as saga is human potential, especially for what is the mind, should be at its full realization and only at the point there isn't any mental barrier anymore the humanity is perfect and without problems.

 

The war between machines and humans happened because a new religion formed based on a book called Orange Catholic Bible, which was a kinda of mix of christianity, islam and all the monotheistic religions (even during dune events the characters still read and believe in this bible). The point of this religion is the human potential is over everthing and the soul is the centre of the humans, so the machines can't be used.

 

So it was basically a true holy war, for this is called Butlerian Jihad (Butlerian from the name of Serena Butler, the commander of the war against the technology).

They won these wars so technology was banned.

During these wars the Spice on Arrakis is discovered.

 

As of result of these events 3 schools for the emporowment of human condition were created cause all of them use the spice to potentiate themselves: the school of Bene Gesserit (they control the expansion of the mind), the mentat school (to create humans can became calculators now calculators can't be used anymore) and the Spacing guild. The member of the Spacing guild are trained to use the spice to have visions of the future (but limitated to their purpose, not like the bene gesserit). So even for travels in the space tecnology is not used, but human beings are used and they know where to go because of their visions. Well actually the member of the  Spacing guild even if humans have a strange form and seem not human anymore cause they are too constantly exposed to the spice. They don't show their face (at least not to normal people).

 

at this point a kinda of feudal empire is created. There is an emperor (the first is the son of Serena Butler but it changes his surname to Corrino because of a battle called like this) and a feudal system with all the houses united in a league called Landsraad.

 

What makes this system working (Corrino are the emperors for 10K years from the holy wars to the novel dune) is the emperor has the Saurdaker soldiers and no house can beat them alone and the fact everyone in this universe need the spice to travel and move.

The emperor gave the control of the important planet Dune- Arrakis to every family for an assigned period, and this is important to make an equilibrium between them. 

 

Mentat, bene gesserit and spacing guild are indipendent forces as the CHOAM, an economic entity runs the extraction of the spice. So all the houses need mentat to have calculators, they respect bene gesserit because of their role on religions, the spacing guild to travel and the CHOAM to extract  the spice.

This means even if all of them should be indipendent in the reality in a game of intrigues for the power they can be used or corrupt in some way.

 

The bene gesserit in particular (we can go back again to dune main meaning of the human potential at its highest level) believe they can create the supreme version of themselves. They can see the past and the future but only of their female ancestors (plus others limitations). There is a prophecy about a man is gonna see the future and the past of any human being before and after him, the Kwisatz Haderach (aka a sort of perfect Bene Gesserit).

 

To make this happening (to the point you ask if the prophecy is true or you make a profecy true at any cost) from centuries they  have controlled all the genetic matings of the houses with only one purpose : the creation of the Kwisatz Haderach.

 

To make this possible ( i mean the fact they can force people to have the children they say they should make with a specific designed person) they need to go around the universe to "evangelize" the world (like basically happens with all the religions in the real world) so people can recognize him but most important all their actions can move in a certain direction to make the profecy happening.

 

To make this possibile they say their Kwisatz Haderack is the one will make humanity a perfect condition to some people... his appeal on Fremen population for example is the bene gesserit for centuries created a cult about the fact this man will create the paradise on Arrakis (this means water, green and not the desert everywhere).

 

according to the plans Lady Jessica was destined to became the mother of Kwisatz Haderach but.... with a daughter should have married Austin Butler character (the bene gesserit can decide the sex of their child once they are pregnant) but she disobeyed to their order to make a boy cause the Duke leto wanted that as first child. 

 

Hope it's a kinda of clear general scheme of the saga and its meaning 

 

 

I'm a bit sad they cut out the entire CHOAM plotline in the movies. Maybe they'll bring it up in Messiah

[WEEKND]

15 hours ago, KFC said:

Omg the religous zeal made me so uncomfortable too. Glad I'm not the only one  and it also kinda scared me how at the beginning of the movie there were lots of non-believers but by the end it was JUST Chani

Jessica ha power lmao 

 

I must say  that I would love to be part of the Bene Gesserit 

 

imagine the power. Being able to get rich men to do what u please and have the power to make pretty babies

[Eóghan]

the way Javier Bardem stole the show

all the memes an quotes on social media are from his characters

[publikcitizen]

3 hours ago, vale9001 said:

 

 

kinda of. The people you see on Dune are humans from earth (earth got destroyed). Atreides  come from Greece, Arkonnen from Sweden for example.

 

10k years before the Dune events there was a war between AI and human beings, not only cause AI took the control (like in Terminator) but also because some people started to believe machines were ruining the "human potential". To understand: humans desire to fly, for the way evolution works in years (well a lot of them) probably our evolution potential was to have wings. But we invented machines can fly so the evolution won't go in that direction anymore at this point. The sense of Dune as saga is human potential, especially for what is the mind, should be at its full realization and only at the point there isn't any mental barrier anymore the humanity is perfect and without problems.

 

The war between machines and humans happened because a new religion formed based on a book called Orange Catholic Bible, which was a kinda of mix of christianity, islam and all the monotheistic religions (even during dune events the characters still read and believe in this bible). The point of this religion is the human potential is over everthing and the soul is the centre of the humans, so the machines can't be used.

 

So it was basically a true holy war, for this is called Butlerian Jihad (Butlerian from the name of Serena Butler, the commander of the war against the technology).

They won these wars so technology was banned.

During these wars the Spice on Arrakis is discovered.

 

As of result of these events 3 schools for the emporowment of human condition were created cause all of them use the spice to potentiate themselves: the school of Bene Gesserit (they control the expansion of the mind), the mentat school (to create humans can became calculators now calculators can't be used anymore) and the Spacing guild. The member of the Spacing guild are trained to use the spice to have visions of the future (but limitated to their purpose, not like the bene gesserit). So even for travels in the space tecnology is not used, but human beings are used and they know where to go because of their visions. Well actually the member of the  Spacing guild even if humans have a strange form and seem not human anymore cause they are too constantly exposed to the spice. They don't show their face (at least not to normal people).

 

at this point a kinda of feudal empire is created. There is an emperor (the first is the son of Serena Butler but it changes his surname to Corrino because of a battle called like this) and a feudal system with all the houses united in a league called Landsraad.

 

What makes this system working (Corrino are the emperors for 10K years from the holy wars to the novel dune) is the emperor has the Saurdaker soldiers and no house can beat them alone and the fact everyone in this universe need the spice to travel and move.

The emperor gave the control of the important planet Dune- Arrakis to every family for an assigned period, and this is important to make an equilibrium between them. 

 

Mentat, bene gesserit and spacing guild are indipendent forces as the CHOAM, an economic entity runs the extraction of the spice. So all the houses need mentat to have calculators, they respect bene gesserit because of their role on religions, the spacing guild to travel and the CHOAM to extract  the spice.

This means even if all of them should be indipendent in the reality in a game of intrigues for the power they can be used or corrupt in some way.

 

The bene gesserit in particular (we can go back again to dune main meaning of the human potential at its highest level) believe they can create the supreme version of themselves. They can see the past and the future but only of their female ancestors (plus others limitations). There is a prophecy about a man is gonna see the future and the past of any human being before and after him, the Kwisatz Haderach (aka a sort of perfect Bene Gesserit).

 

To make this happening (to the point you ask if the prophecy is true or you make a profecy true at any cost) from centuries they  have controlled all the genetic matings of the houses with only one purpose : the creation of the Kwisatz Haderach.

 

To make this possible ( i mean the fact they can force people to have the children they say they should make with a specific designed person) they need to go around the universe to "evangelize" the world (like basically happens with all the religions in the real world) so people can recognize him but most important all their actions can move in a certain direction to make the profecy happening.

 

To make this possibile they say their Kwisatz Haderack is the one will make humanity a perfect condition to some people... his appeal on Fremen population for example is the bene gesserit for centuries created a cult about the fact this man will create the paradise on Arrakis (this means water, green and not the desert everywhere).

 

according to the plans Lady Jessica was destined to became the mother of Kwisatz Haderach but.... with a daughter should have married Austin Butler character (the bene gesserit can decide the sex of their child once they are pregnant) but she disobeyed to their order to make a boy cause the Duke leto wanted that as first child. 

 

Hope it's a kinda of clear general scheme of the saga and its meaning 

 

 

Wow! Thank you for taking the time to write this out. This is a great brief background. It definitely makes more sense. What a fascinating piece of work 

[KFC]

38 minutes ago, Eóghan said:

the way Javier Bardem stole the show

all the memes an quotes on social media are from his characters

I wonder if the writers intended his lines to be comedic

[TheFireLexus]

6 hours ago, vale9001 said:

according to the plans Lady Jessica was destined to became the mother of Kwisatz Haderach but.... with a daughter should have married Austin Butler character

Grandmother, no? She was supposed to have a daughter who would marry Feyd-Rautha, and then the child from that union would be the Kwisatz Haderach. But Jessica decided to skip that step (because Leto wanted a son).