fan base K-Pop Thread: 2022 Archive

[Sheep]

Who asked for GOT The Beat cb? Hyoyeon and Boa? Musically it’s a waste of talent with that NCT noise. Financially it’s a waste of time for much more profitable and in demand acts.
 

I’ve always loved boa but I seriously think she’s spent the past few years draining company resources to prop up her dying career. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Century

[conquxror]

the reason why newjeans got so popular from the beginning was (1) them being under hybe, (2) them being a group made by min heejin and (3) them sounding unique and soft in a kpop era where everything seems experimental and heavy sounding. 

 

the second min heejin announced her label under hybe there was hype around it because they KNEW she would bring something unique to the table. sm's biggest mistake was letting her go, she literally built their image and put them where they are today by giving all of sm groups interesting concepts. now she left and look how easily sm is blending with other companies, there's nothing original going on for them - unless we're talking about that corny kwangya **** that already looks and sounds dated.  

 

i still dream about what aespa would look and sound like if she was still working for sm. even groups like red velvet had a MASSIVE downgrade after she left. 

(off topic but i was kind of hoping she would take krystal under her label since they're so close and we would finally get that solo debut we so desperately need but... yeah... not happening)

[Gaia]

45 minutes ago, fais_2311 said:

She was amazing in Big Mouth. The standard of idol actress 

oop there goes that one member's fake news that she only wins "popularity awards" 

[Gaia]

2 minutes ago, conquxror said:

the reason why newjeans got so popular from the beginning was (1) them being under hybe, (2) them being a group made by min heejin and (3) them sounding unique and soft in a kpop era where everything seems experimental and heavy sounding. 

 

the second min heejin announced her label under hybe there was hype around it because they KNEW she would bring something unique to the table. sm's biggest mistake was letting her go, she literally built their image and put them where they are today by giving all of sm groups interesting concepts. now she left and look how easily sm is blending with other companies, there's nothing original going on for them - unless we're talking about that corny kwangya **** that already looks and sounds dated.  

 

i still dream about what aespa would look and sound like if she was still working for sm. even groups like red velvet had a MASSIVE downgrade after she left. 

(off topic but i was kind of hoping she would take krystal under her label since they're so close and we would finally get that solo debut we so desperately need but... yeah... not happening)

The biggest issue with SM is SM. 

 

NJ would not be NJ under SM. SM for the last like 10 years, has thought that loud pots and pans music is the only thing international audiences like. Which is bizarre because their groups continue to fall short internationally. But SM refuses to change their formula.

 

It's still...bizarre to me that SM thought Jopping would be some hit anywhere.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Gaia

[Sheep]

4 minutes ago, conquxror said:

the reason why newjeans got so popular from the beginning was (1) them being under hybe, (2) them being a group made by min heejin and (3) them sounding unique and soft in a kpop era where everything seems experimental and heavy sounding. 

 

the second min heejin announced her label under hybe there was hype around it because they KNEW she would bring something unique to the table. sm's biggest mistake was letting her go, she literally built their image and put them where they are today by giving all of sm groups interesting concepts. now she left and look how easily sm is blending with other companies, there's nothing original going on for them - unless we're talking about that corny kwangya **** that already looks and sounds dated.  

 

i still dream about what aespa would look and sound like if she was still working for sm. even groups like red velvet had a MASSIVE downgrade after she left. 

(off topic but i was kind of hoping she would take krystal under her label since they're so close and we would finally get that solo debut we so desperately need but... yeah... not happening)

People severely overestimate MHJ’s impact at SM. She wasn’t responsible for every single group and release.

 

2 minutes ago, Gaia said:

The biggest issue with SM is SM. 

 

NJ would not be NJ under SM. SM for the last like 10 years, has thought that loud pots and pans music is the only thing international audiences like. Which is bizarre because their groups continue to fall short internationally. But SM refuses to change their formula.

 

It's still...bizarre to me that SM thought Jopping would be some hit anywhere.

Watching SM come to that noise music conclusion with EXO was like watching a car accident in slow motion. 

[Hazy]

28 minutes ago, Adama said:

Yeah they are not promoting in the US like Aespa but to say that they’re global without lifting a fingers when their songs are put on a lot of big playlists (like LSRFM and IVE btw). 

Plus they got a TTH placement, something no others Kpop act got, if I’m not mistaken even Super M didn’t get a TTH spot. 
 

 

I don’t think Ditto is on TTH and it’s doing amazing without any additional promo, that’s during Christmas season too

 

but yeah, to say they are global is too much, they clearly have the appeal and showed HUGE growth already so we will see what future holds 

 

27 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said:

It’s still so surreal to see their success tbh. I mean WHO else had this kind of domestic AND global success in their debut year? Even BP didn’t have this (granted kpop wasn’t as big globally but you get the point). It might be too early to tell, but NewJeans truly are leading this gen rn. 

yes, they have the appeal and they are outdoing everyone but BTS and BP atm, it’s wild 

 

15 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Baby, nobody is arguing that NewJeans isn’t set up for massive success - they’re likely to be competing with BlackPink, Aespa, (G)-IDLE and IVE for #1 girl group of 2023. It’ll literally just come down to which group releases three Korean physicals within the year.

 

You have this narrative that people are trying to put NewJeans down by posting an objective chart compiled of album equivalents for the calendar year when the argument was about whether or not Aespa flopped. You literally interjected NewJeans into a conversation and then got mad at the objective chart results. Take a breather - I support most 4th Gen groups and have a thread dedicated to their receipts. I’m not putting any group down by celebrating the success of these women   

 

please re read my comment, especially the part about variables that should be considered when analising data, ok? I understand your point, but I’m not obliged to agree with your point of view - of course data you provided is correct, but I don’t agree with interpreting it without context, same way as sales or streams from 2010 and 2020 cannot be just compared like that, to put it simple and as an example 

 

aespa had tough year, underperformed single and streams wise, but achived groudbreaking success with sales and we can leave it at that, okay? time will show what SM has in store for them

[Adama]

2 minutes ago, conquxror said:

 

 

i still dream about what aespa would look and sound like if she was still working for sm. even groups like red velvet had a MASSIVE downgrade after she left. 

(off topic but i was kind of hoping she would take krystal under her label since they're so close and we would finally get that solo debut we so desperately need but... yeah... not happening)

like Grimes visual concepts I think, and sound wise probably S.e.s. 

 

2 minutes ago, Gaia said:

oop there goes that one member's fake news that she only wins "popularity awards" 

Not the MBC awards . They gave the Rookie of the year to Minju, when her drama started airing 3 weeks ago .

At least wait for her winning a Baeksang.

 

And before you say what about the grand bell, no one take this ceremony seriously will all the scandals they have these past years. Tang Wei and Oh Na-ra deserved better, glad Tang Wei didn’t show up. 

[Rhyme]

31 minutes ago, Adama said:

Even if it’s at the bottom, we can’t say that Ador is not lifting a fingers. They actually work for making them global and unlike SM they are more smarter lol! 

If only every company had king of payola Scooter Braun in their ranks. 

[conquxror]

Just now, Century said:

People severely overestimate MHJ’s impact at SM. She wasn’t responsible for every single group and release.

but she was responsible for the peak of sm's aesthetic and branding - which happened in 2014~2016, imo. newjeans whole aesthetic is literally what she was doing for f(x) and shinee during those years, look at 4walls and view. 

 

Just now, Gaia said:

It's still...bizarre to me that SM thought Jopping would be some hit anywhere.

exactly. like, WHAT happened to sm and their producers? that company easily had the best music catalogue in kpop and now they're letting their groups release title tracks like 2 baddies and girls... even jyp groups are releasing better music nowadays. 

[Rhyme]

3 minutes ago, Adama said:

like Grimes visual concepts I think, and sound wise probably S.e.s.

 

Basically already what they been doing.

[Sheep]

I should start bookmarking foolish posts for when ae1 drops 

[Sheep]

8 minutes ago, conquxror said:

but she was responsible for the peak of sm's aesthetic and branding - which happened in 2014~2016, imo. newjeans whole aesthetic is literally what she was doing for f(x) and shinee during those years, look at 4walls and view. 

 

exactly. like, WHAT happened to sm and their producers? that company easily had the best music catalogue in kpop and now they're letting their groups release title tracks like 2 baddies and girls... even jyp groups are releasing better music nowadays. 

Again people severely overestimate her reach. Key participated in the visuals for SHINee since Misconceptions and heavily participated in their styling since Odd(he dressed SHINee during View).

 

A better example of her close work with SHINee would be the off-putting Lolita mixed with hipster visuals for Sherlock that hindered the success of one of SMs best tracks that decade. 

There are many, many creatives at SM on top of their love of bringing on people as contractors for certain projects.

Edited December 30, 2022 by Century

[conquxror]

i had such high hopes for aespa's music, after black mamba and next level i thought they were going to SERVE pop music. savage was okay i guess, but the mini was disappointing as hell and girls... well... i liked lingo bc it reminded me of f(x).

 

i'm still hopefull that they'll come through with their full album and release their pink tape full of GOOD experimental bops. but if we're getting the BAD experimental music... it's over for them.

[discreetinside]

1 hour ago, sourprint said:

they are gonna be i think ador should start promoting them in the us by 2024

Yeah but Ador need to focus on NJ acquiring Bunnies on Korea and Asia particularly SEA and Japan first before going western market cause they still have loyal Asian fanbase to support them in case they underperformed in western market.

[Gaia]

23 minutes ago, Century said:

People severely overestimate MHJ’s impact at SM. She wasn’t responsible for every single group and release.

 

Watching SM come to that noise music conclusion with EXO was like watching a car accident in slow motion. 

EXO going from best boy group quality wise to...Obsession type music was just... I had to stop. I haven't listened to a release from them since

[Dialamba]

16 minutes ago, Rhyme said:

If only every company had king of payola Scooter Braun in their ranks. 

Wait because you’re kinda right Ariana’s was lowkey declining as soon she dropped Scott she had no choice but to take him back now I see why the Hybe girlies are pulling these streams but where’s the energy with their BG 

 

you would think aespa are completely washed it’s giving Itzy **** talking last year wow already dropped by kpop Stans  
Let’s pretend girls wasn’t a cb SM was testing selling power so now Sm Knows they could release NCT rejets they will pull 1M. The REAL COLLAPSE is coming soon. 
 

 

[conquxror]

Just now, Century said:

Again people severely overestimate her reach. Key participated in the visuals for SHINee since Misconceptions and participated in their styling since Odd(he dressed SHINee a lot during View).

 

A better example of her close work with SHINee would be the off-putting Lolita mixed with hipster visuals for Sherlock that hindered the success of one of SMs best tracks that decade. 

There are many, many creatives at SM on top of their love of bringing on people as contractors for certain projects.

but mhj was not just a random staff. she was the creative DIRECTOR, meaning that she was responsible for the visual idendities of every group under the company. even if key dressed the members of shinee, mhj was still responsible for the planning and production of album artwork, music video aesthetic and everything else.  

 

my point is that, around 2014~2016, she developed a very especific and succesfull aesthetic in sm that she just straight up copied and pasted onto newjeans. the 4 walls mv, for example, has some EXACT SAME frames as attention.

 

ever since she left, in my point of view, sm stopped having that ~unique and avant garde~ vibe of them and just became a regular kpop company, while ADOR and her group are starting to get that cult following and acclaim that sm had when she was under the company. we'll see if it'll last when a bg debuts.  

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by conquxror

[Adama]

2022 was indeed women year 

 

 

[Xalric]

10 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

there are seven new jennies because YG is going for that female BTS title too, as well as having a snsd/2ne1 mix that is more snsd  

not me hoping that member list is fake news bc i want jinni or garam in

YG never really take known trainees or ex idols from other companies.

 

Most of the times their exchanges with JYP are unknown trainees not shown in showcases. So from the get go Garam or Jinny wouldn't be realistic. The only company who use to take known trainees and already debuted members are cube and starship.

[Witnessed ET]

Truly such an impactful song  Woozi is an angel, and the way he wrote it thinking about Wonwoo after his mother’s death 

 

 

[Xalric]

Just now, Dark Horse said:

ppl need to stop pretending aespa didnt colossally flop this year. four new groups legit outdid them all WW on spotify in a few months without stepping foot in the US. they lost their momentum and girls/ lifes too short stained their brand and hurt their goodwill as hitmakers to noisemakers. coachella and their US activities and all the fraud media play that came w it were cringe as hell and didnt prove anything to the public, doing them more harm than good, along w giselles constant screwups. but congratz on selling in a time when even nugus can clear a million w ease i guess.. they had no impact this year. the korean gp is not shaking for an aespa comeback the way they are for newjeans ive or lsfrm. they seem to be heading towards a redvelvet like trajectory where if the song is good then great if not then wait for the next.

 

No aespa didn't flop this year, just new girl groups popped up. Their release didn't do bad per say.

[dlwlrma]

MHJ was behind almost everything

SM gave her more control above f(x) and SHINee, at the point that I feel their songs was made to fit on her creations than the opposite (not a surprise they are the best)

but that was not enough

 

Bang PD gave her 100% control creative 

NJ is the project that she always dreamed about

WhiteAespaJeans would not be the same 

 

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by dlwlrma

[Sheep]

20 minutes ago, Gaia said:

EXO going from best boy group quality wise to...Obsession type music was just... I had to stop. I haven't listened to a release from them since

Dftf was a return to form and seriously great if you actually haven’t listened. 

[Witnessed ET]

People need to understand that the competition is simply stiff among ggs this gen. There was a time when ITZY was the defining 4th gen gg, then aespa came and smashed with Next Level. And then IVE and GIDLE took the crown from them, and now NewJennies are threatening that title with LSRFM trailing behind. So y’all can stop being offended when someone says so and so flopped this year. It’s only natural when you have so many groups competing with each other and doing well. 

[MingYouToo]

NewJeans are going to be the 3rd Kpop group to actually make big waves globally after BTS and BP i can feel it.

 

Hanni will be the next Jennie I fear