paperfectdelusion Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 I don’t think the bullia scandal hurt ITZY at all in Korean tbh! Despite they got multiple hits none of them had became IT girl and they’re nowhere to be seen at those brand ranking charts or so, which indicates Koreans just don’t care them personally (but Koreans do care about them musically so it’s kinda weird).
rzal Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Mitsuki said: If someone told me 2 months ago they would win this 4Q, I wouldn't believe love skz but this is a nightmare! born pink deserved
Adama Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, paperfectdelusion said: I don’t think the bullia scandal hurt ITZY at all in Korean tbh! Despite they got multiple hits none of them had became IT girl and they’re nowhere to be seen at those brand ranking charts or so, which indicates Koreans just don’t care them personally (but Koreans do care about them musically so it’s kinda weird). I’m more concerned about their Spotify streams. They used to be the doing really good globally on Spotify but now their stats are bad for such a big group
Xalric Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, Mitsuki said: Lia's bullying rumours came to the light february, 2021. Back then, JYP denied, informed they would be suing and everyone moved on. They released Mafia and It had a better performance on the first few days and a similar performance in the long run to Not Shy, which was released before the rumours. So It didn't affected anything. Months later, the lawsuit results were out and It said Lia 'lost' due to lack of evidence to prove her innocence and that the accuser had intentions to cause any difamation. What is not really surprising, It's hard to prove you didn't do something on school when you are already an adult. It had a small fuss, but not to the extent people think It did. Her case was actually kind of nugu. In theory, the only comeback left to it cause any harm would be 'Loco', since they got a hit in the following release. But I doubt It was because of Lia. It was because lack of brand power due to JYP moving the attention of ITZY's management to international market, lack of individual promotion for the members, releases on friday without them being a well stabilized group in Korea and the rise of female groups doing exactly what they were lacking to switch the attention. T-ara had a huge hit during their rumours then after that their career plumeted.
Mitsuki Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Xalric said: T-ara had a huge hit during their rumours then after that their career plumeted. There's literally no comparison between both and I'm not even talking only about the proportion. Hwayoung left the group and less than 2 months later they have the hit you are talking about. If ITZY was about to follow T-ARA steps, then Loco would be the bigger song than Sneakers and in the following year they would be already over in Korea.
CandyCoatedClouds Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 59 minutes ago, Adama said: It’s a mix of both, a lot of casual listeners in SEA and the West who streams on Spotify and Yt. IVE are big on Tik tok too(Dear Cupid)! Most of IVE dedicated fans are from China, Japan and SK. People who aren’t loud on twitter but who buy albums and merch. Which is what matters. Also Im seeing more and more Rei and Liz Stans on twitter. I don’t think LSRFM is bigger than IVE fandom. NJ maybe but we will see in December Anyways almost 3 millions in 1 year and without a global distributor. It’s insane actually That picture of them is so hideous. They're all incredibly young but styled and dressed like girls from the 20s or something. Looks very old.
Dialamba Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, CandyCoatedClouds said: That picture of them is so hideous. They're all incredibly young but styled and dressed like girls from the 20s or something. Looks very old. They need to steal STAYC mua and LSR stylist I fear 1 hour ago, Mitsuki said: And the music isn't the problem either to this extent. Unless you think Sneakers is better than Loco or Not Shy... sneakers was just Chaeryeong’s hard work. This song charted worse than loco the first day.
Hitchhiker Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Mitsuki said: Only Baekhyun (and Lay?) left I guess Lay was in SK last week and we did not hear a peep of him (as most of the time any EXO is In SK) he’s probably in there too
Mitsuki Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dialamba said: sneakers was just Chaeryeong’s hard work. This song charted worse than loco the first day. Exactly because of what I explain in the following comment, imo. Sneakers didn't do good because their brand power wasn't enough to carry a friday release and making people checking them out. It needed to go viral for people to notice they were there and released what could be an appealing song.
Mitsuki Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said: Lay was in SK last week and we did not hear a peep of him (as most of the time any EXO is In SK) he’s probably in there too Oh, you are right, I forgot about him in Korea.
discreetinside Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 53 minutes ago, Adama said: It’s a mix of both, a lot of casual listeners in SEA and the West who streams on Spotify and Yt. IVE are big on Tik tok too(Dear Cupid)! Most of IVE dedicated fans are from China, Japan and SK. People who aren’t loud on twitter but who buy albums and merch. Which is what matters. Also Im seeing more and more Rei and Liz Stans on twitter. I don’t think LSRFM is bigger than IVE fandom. NJ maybe but we will see in December Anyways almost 3 millions in 1 year and without a global distributor. It’s insane actually Yeah IVE doesn't have global distributor for now other than Sony Music for their Japanese debut last few weeks. As for the rumored December comeback, I remembered some girls saying Starship gonna replicate what they did during SISTAR rookie year like 3 single albums within a single year and a full studio album around 1 year after the group debut so it made sense from Starship POV since the formula was successfully worked on SISTAR and the said formula was working good for IVE as well so far. The only concern would be IVE are overworked especially for Wonyoung since she has Music Bank MC gigs. As for their mini/full album, I'm gonna guess the tracklist are likely consists of 4-5(?) new tracks, Queen of Hearts KR version, and the 6 tracks from their single albums or just 11-LD-AL.
Sorecer Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Adama said: It’s a mix of both, a lot of casual listeners in SEA and the West who streams on Spotify and Yt. IVE are big on Tik tok too(Dear Cupid)! Most of IVE dedicated fans are from China, Japan and SK. People who aren’t loud on twitter but who buy albums and merch. Which is what matters. Also Im seeing more and more Rei and Liz Stans on twitter. I don’t think LSRFM is bigger than IVE fandom. NJ maybe but we will see in December Anyways almost 3 millions in 1 year and without a global distributor. It’s insane actually But they don't have a Fandom With their mini or full I can see them being close to the 2M I can't believe they have almost 3M copies sold with only singles!
DelRey Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Where are the new SM BG and the Sungchan and Shotaro unit tho? They are just Youtubers atp
Zack Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 4 hours ago, Cotton said: RV about to release yet another mini album I guess our best hope is that SM repackages FMR and this new mini into a full album next year. Like they did with Day 1 + Day 2 = Finale. Idk why they keep avoiding RV3 though. Like FMR sold 700k and their restocked old albums together have sold around 800k this year. So it's not like a full album wouldn't do numbers
hallucinate Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 this being top 3 in their discography despite the shitty mixing
illia Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 56 minutes ago, Sorecer said: Concept trailer this year, but debut in May? the NMIXXprint
OrgVisual Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 48 minutes ago, Zack said: I guess our best hope is that SM repackages FMR and this new mini into a full album next year. Like they did with Day 1 + Day 2 = Finale. Idk why they keep avoiding RV3 though. Like FMR sold 700k and their restocked old albums together have sold around 800k this year. So it's not like a full album wouldn't do numbers Sales won't be any difference between a full album & mini. And it takes less efforts & money to produce a mini vs a full album That's why IVE is churning out those single albums for quick cash
Sheep Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Zack said: I guess our best hope is that SM repackages FMR and this new mini into a full album next year. Like they did with Day 1 + Day 2 = Finale. Idk why they keep avoiding RV3 though. Like FMR sold 700k and their restocked old albums together have sold around 800k this year. So it's not like a full album wouldn't do numbers RV went from one of the biggest international gg hits of all time with Psycho straight into being underpromoted and fandom driven after aespa debuted. The fact that I've seen aespa 4 times this year in the US and Red Velvet only came here in 2019 and one time to kcon. They always pull this **** with their groups and it kills tons of international potential. RV could easily fill arenas all around the world right now. 20 minutes ago, Sept said: Sales won't be any difference between a full album & mini. And it takes less efforts & money to produce a mini vs a full album That's why IVE is churning out those single albums for quick cash To be fair FMR had a lot more effort put into it than a quick little IVE bop droplet.
BigBangStan Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 We need an aespa comeback early next year SM
Zack Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sept said: Sales won't be any difference between a full album & mini. And it takes less efforts & money to produce a mini vs a full album That's why IVE is churning out those single albums for quick cash I mean this would make sense if SM was purely investment driven, like Starship is. But we know they are not (at least not until Kakao finally gets their claws in anyway). Proof of that is the fact that, this year, they invested in SNSD's 7th FULL album, even though it's barely scraping 230k on Hanteo overall vs. FMR's 600k (for a mini) or even Seulgi's mini which sold 200k just over 2 weeks after its release. I'd also say aespa is in the same boat and they are getting overdue for their 1st full album too. SM's priorities are so weird. 1 hour ago, Century said: RV went from one of the biggest international gg hits of all time with Psycho straight into being underpromoted and fandom driven after aespa debuted. The fact that I've seen aespa 4 times this year in the US and Red Velvet only came here in 2019 and one time to kcon. They always pull this **** with their groups and it kills tons of international potential. RV could easily fill arenas all around the world right now. I mean even before that, RV had Bad Boy which is eligible for RIAA Gold certification in the U.S....except SM won't sign them to a U.S. label RV have 2 Gold eligible singles in the U.S. and an English speaker. A U.S. debut really should have been attempted, but at this point, SM has shown they aren't interested in that for RV. Even though in 2019, Capitol's senior vice president was basically begging to sign RV. Edited November 3, 2022 by Zack
Dialamba Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, BigBangStan said: We need an aespa comeback early next year SM Reveluvs complaining about a damn full album when aespa isn’t getting one this year
MusicFan98 Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Aespa's debut full album is not a priority, RV's 3rd is. TVXQ and SuJu have like 10 albums each, Boa has like 10 albums too, SHINee has like 6 six, EXO has 6, SNSD has 7 full albums, Taeyeon has 3 full solo albums, and even NCT has like 9 albums combined Hell, f(x) has 4 full albums.
Zack Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 18 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said: Aespa's debut full album is not a priority, RV's 3rd is. TVXQ and SuJu have like 10 albums each, Boa has like 10 albums too, SHINee has like 6 six, EXO has 6, SNSD has 7 full albums, Taeyeon has 3 full solo albums, and even NCT has like 9 albums combined Hell, f(x) has 4 full albums. RV is the most priority because 2 full albums in 8 years is just ridiculous, especially since their contract is ending in less than 2 years. aespa full album is not a massive priority *yet*, but if they don't get one in the first half of next year, then it will be. Only CSJH The Grace and NCT had to wait 2 years+ for a full album. And The Grace were a flop and NCT still released 4 mini albums before their full album. Aespa only has 2 mini albums in 2 years.
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