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[Peak Now]

Honestly even if nothing bad happened between Hack and Taylor I wouldn't be surprised if Hack doesn't appear or at least appears much less on the next album...

 

Despite how certain fandoms love to portray Taylor as this egomaniac with skin as thin as tissue paper she's shown to be surprisingly receptive to and spurred on by criticism. The critics said Rep was trying too hard to be edgy so she made Lover, Lover was too shallow and autobiographical (?) so she made Folkmore, Middy had bad lyricism (??) so she busted out the thesaurus for TTPD...

 

And if you ask around people who care about this sort of things TTPD is primarily being dragged for sounding monotonous and people wanting her to branch out more 

[Achilles.]

31 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

right after he reportedly went on an instagram model bed-hopping spree in London while she was gearing up to release and promote Red TV in New York

How convenient that she had Is It Over Now? up her sleeve to be released the next year. 

 

[a_d_22]

3 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

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The streets of beloved swoomfs in my WhatsApp are saying that something weird happened between Jack and Taylor between the August Wembley performance and then the VMAs the next month because after that time he let Ratty into his home studio, had a post-tour party in New York when she was in town but she didn't show, and he never went to a final Eras show despite saying he would, etc etc etc. Let me just quote "Dec 7: Reads a pre-written speech where he doesn't acknowledge Taylor at all during his award, but praises Lana and Charli. Talks about how much he loves George and mentions The 1975 by name again. Laura calls Taylor out by name when he asks who he has forgotten and Jack ignores her comment." Immediately after which, he calls TTPD "Dead Poets", didn't post a birthday message despite having done so for several years up to this point, and on and on and on with all these weird little things that are nothing on their own but... there is very much a trend

 

It's probably nothing substantial, but it's starting to add up and there's more from beloved swoomf that I'm cutting out so I don't look deranged but that I genuinely believe so take that for what you will

 

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And apparently the reason the VMAs were so awk was because Margaret flat out does not like Taylor and this is reliant on reported private instagram shenanigans that I'm also cutting to not look deranged but they involve Travis and it's just... weird and therefore Taylor spent the evening hiding backstage so she wouldn't have to sit next to her, which is like... fifth degree stale tea but given how weird that night was I'm inclined to believe it because why tf would she have several cuñty UFO outfits and then just never show them to the camera, and why did she stay backstage while several of her friends were performing?

 

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And also streets in 2023 were saying that Margaret and Hobo were probably **** talking Taylor while they were in Panama because that was after he started dallying with others and also that Margaret didn't receive the post-Ratty crowd stunt she pulled which wasn't intentional but also wasn't not intentional ddd at Margaret and Jack's wedding rehearsal in NJ particularly well, to say the least (and that's coming from a tabloid iirc, but I can't find the article so maybe I'm making that up lmao anyway)

 

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But I'm rather unreliable and have been proven to be very wrong in the past, but I trust this oomf and their ability to sniff-out truly inside stuff wholeheartedly, so believe what you'd like

 

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Basically I think Margaret gave Jack a "her or me" ultimatum at one point because it's just not making sense for me otherwise 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone think global warming is a good thing? I love Taylor Swift. I think she's a really interesting artist.

 

If there's any truth to this I regret any defending I've ever done of that man.

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Achilles. said:

How convenient that she had Is It Over Now? up her sleeve to be released the next year. 

 

Funny how that works...

 

I've peddled enough conspiracies from other people today so let me start one myself:

 

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She wrote IION after the Hobo breakup, and to do so she and Jack just took some of the production elements from Out Of The Woods, wrote them down on popsicle sticks in the studio, shuffled them around a little bit, and then drew them from a hat to put the song together, and then added seagull noises in the background for fun. They kept it in the same key, with basically the same chord structure, with all of the same instrumentation, with an overwhelming similarity of the little sonic elements and flourishes, and they're nearly the same length. 

 

I mean, she already had stems lying around open on some computer somewhere to get the sample for Question so it makes sense, and I'm choosing to believe it 

 

 

[Cleanromantic]

Going from the excellent, nuanced and brutally dark ttpd (and high-key Midnights) to basic, stream lined MM songs with thumping, driving 2014 production and generic lyrics will be such a downgrade .  It might work in the short term on people with basic taste but it'll age horribly.

[Peak Now]

55 minutes ago, a_d_22 said:

If there's any truth to this I regret any defending I've ever done of that man.

Now-

 

Can we at least agree to not drag Margaret Qualley

 

[IBeMe]

Jack's production on ATW10MV is just BRILLIANT. You literally feel like u are listening to audio caviar lol. It's amazing

[JorgeM]

16 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

Yeah, she's not sneaking in quick trips the day before a game to go see Elvira

 

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 Could the hypothetical... tension between Taylor and someone's wife potentially get in the way of her relationship with Patrik Berger? He hasn't worked one on one with Taylor iirc, though maybe that wouldn't be an issue and I'm just freaking out over nothing, because you know how much I want him to continue working with Taylor 

 

 

Or yes…I don't see going for Max Martin instead of him going to US, if she went to Stockholm it could be easily because some personal reasons of the producers, and that would affect to all equally 

[Catch22]

5 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

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The streets of beloved swoomfs in my WhatsApp are saying that something weird happened between Jack and Taylor between the August Wembley performance and then the VMAs the next month because after that time he let Ratty into his home studio, had a post-tour party in New York when she was in town but she didn't show, and he never went to a final Eras show despite saying he would, etc etc etc. Let me just quote "Dec 7: Reads a pre-written speech where he doesn't acknowledge Taylor at all during his award, but praises Lana and Charli. Talks about how much he loves George and mentions The 1975 by name again. Laura calls Taylor out by name when he asks who he has forgotten and Jack ignores her comment." Immediately after which, he calls TTPD "Dead Poets", didn't post a birthday message despite having done so for several years up to this point, and on and on and on with all these weird little things that are nothing on their own but... there is very much a trend

 

It's probably nothing substantial, but it's starting to add up and there's more from beloved swoomf that I'm cutting out so I don't look deranged but that I genuinely believe so take that for what you will

 

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And apparently the reason the VMAs were so awk was because Margaret flat out does not like Taylor and this is reliant on reported private instagram shenanigans that I'm also cutting to not look deranged but they involve Travis and it's just... weird and therefore Taylor spent the evening hiding backstage so she wouldn't have to sit next to her, which is like... fifth degree stale tea but given how weird that night was I'm inclined to believe it because why tf would she have several cuñty UFO outfits and then just never show them to the camera, and why did she stay backstage while several of her friends were performing?

 

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And also streets in 2023 were saying that Margaret and Hobo were probably **** talking Taylor while they were in Panama because that was after he started dallying with others and also that Margaret didn't receive the post-Ratty crowd stunt she pulled which wasn't intentional but also wasn't not intentional ddd at Margaret and Jack's wedding rehearsal in NJ particularly well, to say the least (and that's coming from a tabloid iirc, but I can't find the article so maybe I'm making that up lmao anyway)

 

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But I'm rather unreliable and have been proven to be very wrong in the past, but I trust this oomf and their ability to sniff-out truly inside stuff wholeheartedly, so believe what you'd like

 

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Basically I think Margaret gave Jack a "her or me" ultimatum at one point because it's just not making sense for me otherwise 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone think global warming is a good thing? I love Taylor Swift. I think she's a really interesting artist.

 

If that's true… Jack about to be claimed as the best producer ever on ATRL.

 

[IBeMe]

been binge streaming Lover (yes...I know ) and u can tell sis was smoking joints like crazy during the recording process / studio sessions because why does her voice sound so horse and rough in a lot of the tracks? I personally love the rasp and she does have a bit of that throughout her catalog but it is SUPER noticeable and prominent on Lover lol 

[IBeMe]

fun video on the economic impact of The Eras Tour if u have nothing to do / cant sleep (tho i warn u...the host jam packs his commentary with song titles and lyrics so brace yourself for some of the middle ages white man cringe lol)

 

[Peak Now]

37 minutes ago, Catch22 said:

If that's true… Jack about to be claimed as the best producer ever on ATRL.

 

If Hack starts dragging Taylor people will start comparing him favorably to Daft Punk

 

[Aiya]

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Oh, all the tea

 

 

It's probably better for her to keep relationships professional rather than overly close, like with Jack, since misunderstandings or conflicts are almost bound to happen in those dynamics.

 

[mael]

I love GODtonoff but it might be a blessing in disguise... TS12 might be a breath of fresh air... 

 

But it's kinda sad if true cause she'll only have that other man left as main producer...

 

[Aiya]

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As for MM, he's a bit of a gamble when it comes to hits these days, but he's undeniably leagues ahead of JL—that's for sure. If she's planning a light, fun album like Lover, he could easily fit into that vision.

 

Fans have speculated TS12 might have a '90s-inspired vibe, especially with her recent flannel looks. If that's true, MM would be a great fit for such a direction.

 

P.S. Has she ever worked with the Flowers producer before?

 

 

[Cleanromantic]

Friendly reminder that it was Ali Payami who already made the track for style when Taylor heard it and wrote the topline, and it was Oscar Holter who made the track for DWOHT and Taylor again wrote the topline .

Both instances are just examples of MM getting credits when his proteges do the entire work/ for just being in the room. 

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And friendly reminder that working with MM the first time gave ammunition to the deranged, parasocial haters who still use it as proof that her entire songwriter persona is a lie.

 

[Cleanromantic]

I'm fine if she works with anyone except MM. Now that would be reductive

 

[Aiya]

17 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

I'm fine if she works with anyone except MM. Now that would be reductive

 

I understand why you don't want her to work with him, but she's specifically praised How You Get The Girl, calling it one of her favorites from 1989, despite being such a simple pop song.

 

I wasn't a fan of Never Ever at first since it felt too pop after SN, but that was probably the point. Now, I find myself listening to it more than Trouble.

 

If he really took credit for her work, she's in a position to expose him anytime 

 

She could also consider working with Rami, who's considered a legend, or Ilya—though I'm not sure she'd fly across the world for him. But who knows?

[Heldenzeit]

This is why Taylor has been doing multiple releases a year: Yall just go clincally CRAZY when you have nothing new to stream. 

[Aiya]

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Honestly, I think fans are just growing tired of him, much like they did with MM after Reputation. Also, Jack can come off as a bit arrogant at times,  which is annoying.

 

[Dear Reader]

Honestly, I couldn't give less of a **** who she works with, just give me music 

[liam13]

jack's work could be critically acclaimed too, like august.mp3 

 

at one point, yall gotta accept that taylor is part of the problem why her music is produced the way it is. as much as she's surrounded by yes men, she's also a yes woman herself by over complimenting almost everything everyone does.

[Cleanromantic]

1 hour ago, Aiya said:

I understand why you don't want her to work with him, but she's specifically praised How You Get The Girl, calling it one of her favorites from 1989, despite being such a simple pop song.

 

I wasn't a fan of Never Ever at first since it felt too pop after SN, but that was probably the point. Now, I find myself listening to it more than Trouble.

 

If he really took credit for her work, she's in a position to expose him anytime 

 

She could also consider working with Rami, who's considered a legend, or Ilya—though I'm not sure she'd fly across the world for him. But who knows?

I like her work with him but she simply outgrown him. 

26 minutes ago, liam13 said:

jack's work could be critically acclaimed too, like august.mp3 

 

at one point, yall gotta accept that taylor is part of the problem why her music is produced the way it is. as much as she's surrounded by yes men, she's also a yes woman herself by over complimenting almost everything everyone does.

This is such an oversimplified take because Taylor getting acclaimed or not always depends on the media narrative she's going through at that point.

Red was not taken seriously and everyone acted like the 3 MM songs were the only songs on that album for years, and WANEGBT was used against her. Red only gained its acclaim by the end of the decade because the swifties kept talking about All Too Well. One of the weirdest takes was the AV club proclaiming that "she finally grew up on 1989" when objectively, Red is more complex and more mature than the oversimplified 1989. And it's not like 1989 was praised either. It only gained the acclaim because she became undeniable as a pop figurehead. 

And lastly, I don't know how anyone could live through the release of ttpd and read the reviews and still go to bat for critics or still care about acclaim. The response to the album was already decided upon once Midnights won AOTY, and the reviewers were reviewing their feelings about her and pandering to stan twitter instead of reviewing the music. It was hilarious watching them switch so fast when they were praising Red TV 2 years earlier, and ttpd is the closest thing to Red she's ever released. 

[Taylor fanboy]

Jack haters WON omg

 

We are always on the right side of history. 

[Aiya]

2 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Jack haters WON omg

 

We are always on the right side of history. 

Inb4 he will be her plus one at the Grammys 

speculation is FUN! But we know nothing