Peak Now Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Not gonna quote yall one by one but "avoiding the election cycle" is a good reason for not dropping in Q3/4, I didn't think of that... I can see that she wanted to flush Matty out of her system ASAP tbh. They way she follows Fortnight with TSMWEL on tour... 1
Enrique523 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 8 hours ago, IBeMe said: am i the only one who is happy she is dragging out the re recordings? I have issues with endings and once she releases the final TV it will be the end of an era No i'm happy she's doing it too. And if anything people should blame the re-recordings for being so successful in the first place, if that wasn't the case she would've released them all by this point. It would be dumb of her to reject great chart opportunities just because some Swifties don't like it. 1 1
Enrique523 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 7 hours ago, Holiest Dreams said: The fact that Florence had to turn her Insta comments off on the post she made about Taylor because certain fanbases (mostly of the alt-pop demographic) were being vile to Taylor. Patti Smith had to do the same thing when she posted about TTPD. But ThE sWiFtIeS!!1!1!1!1! The double standards between the way Swifties and other fanbases are treated is actually insane. And i noticed that, of course, all the people saying that are all OTHs, what a coincidence right? Being a Swiftie automatically makes you a bad person but if you endlessly attack Taylor and her fanbase + you give a complete free pass to other fanbases for being the nastiest people alive that makes you a great person apparently All of that because people can't stand how successful Taylor is. So every time Swifties defend her from haters (like literally every fanbase does for their faves) that automatically makes Swifties "insufferable" and "cultish", no matter what we say. It's actual gaslighting at this point and i'm not exaggerating. 8
Enrique523 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 6 hours ago, Achilles. said: Despite its long run at #1, I think the album is on the "less mainstream" side of her catalog, and if you view it through that lens it makes sense why she would drop it while in the middle of the tour. It's a bit more of a "for the fans" type thing rather than a "for the general public." On top of that, she wanted to purge the past relationship drama, avoid the election cycle, and strike while the iron was hottest to aim for her biggest possible first week (but she could have had even bigger if she simply announced it as a double album and put it on shelves as a double album in April, but that's none of my business). That's actually 100% true and i think it's the reason why critics were not as positive about it (outside of falling into the bandwagon of "Taylor fatigue" of course). It's a VERY personal album and it's not accesible for everyone, it's not her most mainstream in terms of melodies and many of her lyrics on it are about deeper lore in her life, things that most people on the GP would not necessarily understand. That's why i'm curious to see what TS12 will end up sounding like, i bet it's gonna be more mainstream in a way.
Enrique523 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 6 hours ago, Cleanromantic said: Ttpd was an artistic risk no matter what that side of the internet says. Releasing a deeply dark and negative album with wordy lyrics talking about a relationship that got her so much backlash and her hatred and frustration with fame and her fans at her commercial peak was not what anyone expected. She could've gotten away with another Lover or 1989 given the success of Cruel Summer but she chose to refocus on her OG fanbase with the album, probably in an effort to chase out the eras tour bandwagoners and the annoying folklore stans. Couldn't have said it better TTPD was anything but safe, it's not what anyone expected it to be, not even hardcore Swifties. 2
DevilsRollTheDice Posted October 23 Posted October 23 I do wonder if she'll take time to focus on her personal life when Eras is finally over. The TVs are so low effort from her and she has two more to guarantee she doesn't leave the zeitgeist. If she wants marriage/children (as so heavily alluded to in TTPD) I think post-Eras is the logical time to pursue that. Obviously it's not mutually exclusive with a career, but she's been working so incredibly hard that it's difficult to imagine she'd keep her foot on the gas as much as she has since 2019.
Cleanromantic Posted October 23 Posted October 23 I'm siting at the cemetery listening to ttpd, and let me just say, it ******* goes off . Loml is obviously at home here, but Peter, How Did It End, The Prophecy... 7
Calvin Posted October 23 Posted October 23 32 minutes ago, Enrique523 said: TTPD was anything but safe, it's not what anyone expected it to be, not even hardcore Swifties. No one said it's safe but it was bit mediocre. i love all of Tay's music, even songs which I don't like on first few listens usually grow on me overtime but TTPD tracks haven't (more than half of it sound super stale). 1 1
Calvin Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Not @Cleanromantic downvoting every comment which isn't glorifying TTPD as a timeless masterpiece. 3
Enrique523 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 1 hour ago, Calvin said: No one said it's safe but it was bit mediocre. i love all of Tay's music, even songs which I don't like on first few listens usually grow on me overtime but TTPD tracks haven't (more than half of it sound super stale). I mean i respect your opinion but i completely disagree. TTPD being good or not is entirely up to personal taste and i can see many reasons why people wouldn't like it that has nothing to do with the actual quality of the album. 2
Cleanromantic Posted October 23 Posted October 23 32 minutes ago, Calvin said: Not @Cleanromantic downvoting every comment which isn't glorifying TTPD as a timeless masterpiece. Yup, and I will keep doing it until every single one on this godless earth joins me in my praise of ttpd 1 4 8
Calvin Posted October 23 Posted October 23 5 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said: Yup, and I will keep doing it until every single one on this godless earth joins me in my praise of ttpd Waiting for TS12 then
piotrert Posted October 23 Posted October 23 oh boy, looking how twitter already has meltdown over billboard list, and it's not even top6 yet. i sense even bigger meltdowns than last year with apple music list of best albums of all time. i'm seated for top3 reveal
Achilles. Posted October 23 Author Posted October 23 My playcount gap between folklore and evermore is back down to under 100 plays, and evermore season is upon us. 1
Enrique523 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Wait, not both @Cleanromantic AND @Calvin liking the post i made about TTPD despite having unreconcilable opinions about it I did it guys, i united Swifties 4
Enrique523 Posted October 23 Posted October 23 2 hours ago, piotrert said: oh boy, looking how twitter already has meltdown over billboard list, and it's not even top6 yet. i sense even bigger meltdowns than last year with apple music list of best albums of all time. i'm seated for top3 reveal Oh yeah it's gonna be funny to have even more proof that OTHs are ultmately just a loud online minority, can't wait for the meltdowns
Taylor fanboy Posted October 23 Posted October 23 2 hours ago, Achilles. said: My playcount gap between folklore and evermore is back down to under 100 plays, and evermore season is upon us. I fear Red cannibalized autumn for swifties.
makeawish Posted October 23 Posted October 23 for swifties with a cosy vibe, surely this should be a folkmore cardie? (£70 and it's gone after tomorrow, i wish i could buy these things)
By the Water Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Currently obsessed with loml and I Hate It Here Kinda crazy how I'm still digesting some TTPD songs 6 months later. And I'm supposed to care about rushed critics and THOTS reviews 4 3
TaylorNation Posted October 23 Posted October 23 15 hours ago, Cleanromantic said: probably in an effort to chase out the eras tour bandwagoners and the annoying folklore stans. from your lips to god's ears! I said it before but the tik-tokification of her stans is the worst thing that happened to the fanbase. I can't keep going on like this lol
Great Username Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Robin is sooo good. When will society wake up The melodies are gorgeous, especially the "strings - tied - to - levers - slowed - down - clocks - tethered" section. But within the context of the album, it becomes literally tooooo powerful. "You look ridiculous and you have no idea / Buried down deep and out of your reach, the secret / We all vowed to keep it from you, in sweetness" at the end of an ablum all about Her loss of innocence and dignity - having Your youth stolen from You by a partner, degrading Yourself for fame, getting humiliated in the pursuit of real love The concept of Her loving and protecting Her friend's kid, while She's being sh*t-talked under the table, talking rings and talking cradles "Youve got a favourite spot on the swing set / You have no room in your dreams for regrets" alluding to the vain hopefulness She once had: "Ain't no way I'm gonna screw up now that I know what's at stake here / At the park where we used to sit on children's swings / Wearing imaginary rings" 3 2
Great Username Posted October 23 Posted October 23 Let's hyperfixate on the undisputed queer trinity of The Anthology: I Hate It Here - I Look In People's Windows - Peter But first, a moment for Down Bad Did you really beam me up? In a cloud of sparkling dust Just to do experiments on She was ******* insane for this Oh the pain of being someone's queer experimentation Did you take all my old clothes? Just to leave me here naked and alone In a field in my same old town That somehow seems so hollow now They'll say I'm nuts if I talk about the existence of you AAAAAA Karlie taking Her old clothes... And "they'll say I'm nuts if I talk about the existence of you"... Must we spell it out... I'll build you a fort on some planet Where they can all understand it How dare you think it's romantic Leaving me safe and stranded LIKE???? The pining for a planet where people are less ignorant... The allusions to 1989 error...... Like I lost my twin I don't think anything needs to be said here. And needless to say the whole ablum is fraught with queer religious tension... "I just learned these people try and save you / 'Cause they hate you"... "What if I roll the stone away / Theyre gonna crucify me anyway / What if the way you hold me / Is actually what's holy"... "I got cursed like Eve got bitten" So then, I Hate It Here: All you'll ever be is My eternal consolation prize Ummmm You see I was a debutant in another life But now I seem to be scared to go outside The fact that debutantes literally come out I hate it here so I will go to Lunar valleys in my mind When they found a better planet Only the gentle survived I dreamed about it in the dark The night I felt like I might die More allusions to a better planet, for "gentle"/enlightened people Kind of also harkens back to "I wanna transport you / To somewhere the culture's clever / Confess my truth" I'll save all my romanticism for my inner life I Look In People's Windows: I look in people's windows Transfixed by rose golden glows They have their friends over to drink nice wine The reference to golden The allusion to "rosé flowing with your chosen family" The connection to "I peered through a window / A deep portal / Time travel / All the love we unraveled / And the life I gave away / 'Cause he was sunshine I was midnight rain" Peter: Forgive me Peter My lost fearless leader In closets like cedar Preserved from when we were just kids Is it something I did The goddess of timing Once found us beguiling She said she was trying Peter was she lying My ribs get the feeling she did There isnt a plausible non-queer reading of this, like please Are you still a mind reader? A natural scene stealer I've heard great things Peter But life was always easier on you Than it was on me Aaa it's giving "Everybody wants you / Everybody wonders what it would be like to love you" it's giving "What must it be like to grow up so beautiful" And I won't confess that I waited But I let the lamp burn As the men masqueraded I hoped you'd return ?????? But the woman Who sat by the window Has turned out the light I look in people's windows, transfixed by rose golden glows I dreamed about it in the dark the night I felt like I might die 1
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