fan base Taylor Swift

[fridayteenage]

hmm, greedy already replaced on adult pop radio.

but it's by that barbie song; billie's first to be higher than #5 but it's def more ac-y than her other songs (it peaked #6 pop).

 

Still kinda hoping Cruel Summer rebounds to take the record. Is It Over Now the biggest factor why it's seeming unlikely.

[TaylorNation]

I’ll probably get stoned for this but i’m not here for mashups to be common practice for both slots at every show… 

 

it’s kinda annoying when the online disney adult swifties egg her on (like with the lover house) 

[vale9001]

The discussion about her race is so dumb and funny at the same time.

 

If there is someone has never "stolen" black and poc culture and music (if not for some hip hop influences on Reputation but It's not the Major sound of the album, more Eurodance pop influenced) between any Major big star in history that's Taylor.

 

From Nashville country pop (a different genre from traditional country and its roots) to British rock, to swedish pop, to indie folk and indie rock her music has never really touched soul, r'n'b, jazz, Urban or latina music etc..like every Major star has made at some point (especially when they had to reinvent their clean image to ....bad...black music aka bad image )

 

Then you don't read that much about Amy Winehouse and Adele whitness when basically they had these 20-30 M albums because they were white women doing soul music. Adele sold 5 m copies of 21 in Germany cause She has Blue eyes and looks like your lovely  neighbor. A black artist suffers at selling soul music in these markets.

 

In a very paradoxical way She is attacked for being too White and that's mean She didn't stole from black latina culture like Bieber, ariana, Adele, Britney, Gaga, Justin Timberlake, madonna, Miley cyrus etc.. have made 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 26 by vale9001

[Peak Now]

9 hours ago, Klein said:

That said, even if I don't really like it, I think Taylor has become the center of all these discussions on racism, capitalism, feminism, environment etc... because she is literally the last enduring piece of monoculture. Every other artists has somewhat become "niche" in the sense that you can escape them completely if you don't care. That was the case for Taylor too before Midnights/The Eras Tour happened. At the time she was getting nothing but endless praise (except for the few trolls acting like she couldn't get a hit, but that's a very specific, very insignificant number of people). Being the only part alive of monoculture makes her the obvious starting point for every cultural discussions that's being held. I think that's a great thing, to have a focal point/ubiquitous subject to start these conversations because it is then enticing for people to have them. 

 

The problem is that most people on online circles are not really interested in these conversations. They are a very very small minority of those engaging on the question. Taylor becoming a central point of any discussion is just frustrating for them because it's not their fave getting this attention. This is why we've reached the point where it's common to read that Taylor is a "white supremacist" because she's the most successful white artist for example, and barely anyone bats an eye.

 

This is all very true. As an aside, I frequent a few online forums that aren't as dominated by USAmericans and they are just so normal about Taylor it's honestly refreshing-- I don't even mind them dragging her music or her jet usage now and then, at least they (seem to) understand that's their personal subjective opinion and people can disagree 

 

I also think the people who actively start these conversations online (especially on stan Twitter) aren't even interested in having those conversations themselves, they're just looking for a drag to elevate their personal dislike of Taylor('s music) to a more serious sociological level. And that is honestly what pisses me off. If you want to talk about Taylor having white privilege, which she does, sure, but if you're already coming from a place of "Taylor Swift has no talent and so all her success must be due to privilege!!" I really don't see the point in engaging.

[vale9001]

1 minute ago, Sweeftie13 said:

I honestly don't think that racism is applicable to Europeans based on the color of their skin/ethnicity, we Europeans are certainly racist but it is mainly a cultural racism, African immigrants are discriminated against not so much for their skin and their origins but above all for economic reasons ("they steal job") or cultural (Islamic religion or local language).

In reality, many Europeans are racist towards US White  citizens, even though they are white, because they consider them culturally inferior.

Well the fact you're a White soccer mom from suburban london and you like Adele cause She "looks like you" (not only in terms of race but from a lot of point of views) It's not exactly "racism". It's a way more complicated issue and i don't think this is the right thread to talk about It.

My point was different. The fact Taylor is attacked for being White cause.. well she's White and makes "White music" but they don't really care if other white artists build their image on poc culture Is funny and dumb.

 

especially when these attacks come from White people Attacking her for being White (???) when then they listen to Justin bieber r'n'b trap music cause he's White and for this reason his international appeal Is bigger than any black r'n'b male star outthere.

[Cleanromantic]

11 hours ago, MingYouToo said:

 

Honestly I think we're beyond the misogyny narrative. Its almost completely racially driven at this point.

 

A lot of the online discourse around Taylor Swift in 2024 is almost always put in juxtaposition with women like Beyonce, sad to say. Its racially driven more than gender driven.

 

I was just about to open up this topic with my friends irl bc I open Twitter and its a bunch of 30k-50k liked tweets about how basic and boring she is (and its almost always black twitter doing it yes im sick of pretending its not) and how her success is all owed to how she is an insert for boring white girls who think being mediocre is acceptable.

 

The narrative that's always run is that Taylor Swift's existence and mega success is an affront to so many because they have so much more talent, etc. all insanely talented women, but why HER? Why the white girl with blue eyes who used to sing yeehaw music? Why does she get the majority of the pie? It has to be race! No talent, all white girl magic! All white privilege. No her songwriting is mid! It can't be. She can't sing amazingly like Bey or dance as well as Janet! She's talentless! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://x.com/KonnyTalks/status/1761512034867253621?s=20

 

 

 

 

Frankly I'm tired of pretending but its no longer the misogynists carrying the hate train this time, its the race war feuding people (esp since its BHM), I can quote so many tweets and you can check its all basically 'she's white, why not black people! They deserve it more' type narrative.

 

Again, its so hard to discuss this normally because so many people will easily mob me and say 'you're being racist!' when in reality no, we can discuss the systemic issues that hurt the community while also isolating the Taylor Swift phenomena and its intersections with race. Its unfounded hate from a community that has been historically disparaged by the capitalist society we live in.

 

Do I agree that the black community is constantly being hurt by systemic structures? Yes. Do I think the music industry has biases against black artists, specifically black women? Yes. Do I think Taylor Swift has benefited from white privilege? For sure. But is Taylor Swift the epitome of the sins of the industry and peak white mediocrity? Absof*ckinlutely not. Taylor is being used as a monolith for all the grievances the black community has towards the industry and I'm sick of it.

 

And in the process, some users online become so emboldened to spout racist rhetoric especially towards Asians. Even here on ATRL, I've seen so many 'white worshipping Asians' comment in response to threads about Asia loving Taylor its insane and the mods just let them get out scot free. It speaks really to how divided and how echo chambery the online space is now. 

and you'd be called racist if you pointed out how the hate is coming form a specific corner of the internet 

[vale9001]

Why @YR. Is reporting in other threads the "racist" discussions here?

 

How talking about appropriations from other artists or how White artists have more international success in some countries with "Historical black genres" cause they're White is racism? 

 

If you are not enough intelligent to understand complicated issues block us or just read and move on

Edited February 26 by vale9001

[Tusk]

2 hours ago, TaylorNation said:

I’ll probably get stoned for this but i’m not here for mashups to be common practice for both slots at every show… 

 

it’s kinda annoying when the online disney adult swifties egg her on (like with the lover house) 

It’s going to get tiring seeing sleuths try to decipher why the songs are put together. The amount of essays we will get about it when it’s likely just about chord progression. 

[YR.]

You’re having racist and ignorant discussions and I won’t stand for it. Not everyone is dumb as you are - most people are educated and don’t type racist **** like you and other users have been doing in the last two pages

 

I won’t stand by it since I post regularly here and I don’t to see racist idiots like yourself running your mouth. Seethe 

Edited February 26 by YR.

[queenoftheclouds]

Correct Me If I'm wrong but I read that the Banjo is the only Instrument that POC invented. So Most female Country singers don't use the Banjo Most of the time. So they aren't really stealing POC culture since Nashville erased that Part of Country music. We would have to Talk about Nashville Country that White people invented. Folk wasn't invented by POC either. Female Country music we have since the 90s is basically White music Now, right?

[Sweeftie13]

29 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Well the fact you're a White soccer mom from suburban london and you like Adele cause She "looks like you" (not only in terms of race but from a lot of point of views) It's not exactly "racism". It's a way more complicated issue and i don't think this is the right thread to talk about It.

My point was different. The fact Taylor is attacked for being White cause.. well she's White and makes "White music" but they don't really care if other white artists build their image on poc culture Is funny and dumb.

 

especially when these attacks come from White people Attacking her for being White (???) when then they listen to Justin bieber r'n'b trap music cause he's White and for this reason his international appeal Is bigger than any black r'n'b male star outthere.

okay, actually your point of view is very objective and I completely agree with this, most successful female artists are "white" and it's frustrating to be a fan of Taylor Swift and always be called "white superiority" when the people accusing you are fans of women like these:

 

Post scriptum: It's not a shade to these artists, who I've followed and loved for a long time

[Holiest Dreams]

11 hours ago, Klein said:

The problem is that most people on online circles are not really interested in these conversations. They are a very very small minority of those engaging on the question. Taylor becoming a central point of any discussion is just frustrating for them because it's not their fave getting this attention. This is why we've reached the point where it's common to read that Taylor is a "white supremacist" because she's the most successful white artist for example, and barely anyone bats an eye.

Points were made, especially on the bolded. It’s pretty laughable how almost every anti-Taylor discourse can be boiled down to a long-winded “why not my fave?” meltdown  

[False God]

that Miley Cyrus fan is really getting on my nerves. That s2pid is in every Taylor thread to shade Taylor and acts all innocent. 

 

Smilers got really brave because of a 1 no. 1 despite the parent album tanking 

[Sailor Moon]

This is flawless

 

[Sweeftie13]

8 minutes ago, Sailor Moon said:

This is flawless

 

Imagine a sound like this for TTPD

[Sailor Moon]

1 minute ago, Sweeftie13 said:

Imagine a sound like this for TTPD

It sounds like Red 2.0 which I'll be very pleased with

 

If someone has the full version of I would appreciate it^^

[Dear Reader]

Constant threads made about the Swifties every single day and nobody bats an eye. Could you imagine if they were made this frequently about any other fanbase? This is ridiculous 

[Gui Blackout]

1 hour ago, Sailor Moon said:

This is flawless

 

This is what I was so sure Midnights was going to sound like 

[kyoshi]

41 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Constant threads made about the Swifties every single day and nobody bats an eye. Could you imagine if they were made this frequently about any other fanbase? This is ridiculous 

Swifties this.. swifties that.. they don't realize it but OTH really are obsessed with her just on the opposite end of the spectrum 

[mael]

The discourse is at an all-time high... I'm ready for that 2 million debut mama....

 

[Relampago.]

I came from the other thread just to see wtf was happening here  

 

My two cents: I think solely calling Taylor untalented or less than because she’s a white woman is pretty stupid and baseless. Nothing will really be achieved from that, and it’s not fair to her at all because she is exceptionally talented. 

 

That being said, Taylor already is the biggest celebrity on the planet. I doubt she cares about what people have to say at this point. Even if she does, it certainly doesn’t help that fans, both hers and fans of other artists, engage in nasty rhetoric for the sake of stanning. Whether that be misogyny, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. Everyone needs to get their head out of their ass and realize stanning is not serious and there needs to be actual focus on where these celebrities are failing and how they are impacting things for the worse. Whether that be Taylor’s climate change related issues, Rihanna’s fast fashion violating labor laws, Beyonce purchasing another multi-million dollar home in a city with the highest unhoused population in the country, Gaga remaining silent on LGBTQ issues, etc. 
 

These ladies are not going to solve these issues alone, nor even if they all came together and tried as one. However, we can be critical of them in hopes they course correct because it’s in our best interest as average people to do so. That being said, Taylor is *easily* the biggest of all of them so of course she will be the biggest topic when she’s at her peak yet again. But remember, it’s not personal and you are not Taylor Swift, nor does her having good PR mean anything for your personal life. It’s perfectly fine to stan Taylor while also admitting she could do better in certain areas. She’s human, she’s not perfect. Having production conversation while using Taylor as the central topic that everyone can understand and relate to is just one way of having discussions for the greater good of things.

[19SLAYty9]

Tbh I find the pitting of bey/ tay to be tiring and pointless. Very different lanes. Bey is a soulful vocalist who can also dance while Tay is a singer songwriter who can make many feel. “But she’s a bad dancer”, I don’t think people realize that Taylor is aware she isn’t a dancer and is just trying to play the pop star bit. Also, the WANGBT choreo is kind of bad. There are plenty of choreo moments throughout the tour where Taylor shines. Anyways, the idea that they both can’t co exist is offensive and laughable. Also,  I happen to know for a fact that some of the discourse online (that seems to ONLY exist among so called American Stan accounts from Swifties / Beyhive ) is rooted in Russian bots trying to purposefully create tensions by using bey/ tay as a microcosm. 

Edited February 26 by 19SLAYty9

[Relampago.]

Also, while I think there ARE many Swifties that I’ve seen, y’all are a massive base so there’s bound to be bad eggs in the base as a whole. It is what it is. We saw it with the Army and Monsters too, even to this day.

 

If you’re not racist, pay it no mind. If you feel like a hit dog and you’re hollering, maybe assess why. That’s really it.

Edited February 26 by Relampago.

[JorgeM]

For me is funny how isolated that certain group of Twitter is. They are not able to understand what is happening with Taylor because they live in their own bubble where her is an untalented demon, but in the moments where reality hit them they are surprised because the rest of the world doesn’t think like them. 
 

Like in muy country football is everything and Spanish league just has reschedule a whole weekend of matches so Bernabéu can host a second date of eras tour after top members of the government presure them. Taylor is just other thing and that side of Taylor is going to continue crying for a long time.

[Holiest Dreams]

9 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

Tbh I find the pitting of bey/ tay to be tiring and pointless. Very different lanes. Bey is a soulful vocalist who can also dance while Tay is a singer songwriter who can make many feel. “But she’s a bad dancer”, I don’t think people realize that Taylor is aware she isn’t a dancer and is just trying to play the pop star bit. Also, the WANGBT choreo is kind of bad. There are plenty of choreo moments throughout the tour where Taylor shines. Anyways, the idea that they both can’t co exist is offensive and laughable. Also,  I happen to know for a fact that some of the discourse online (that seems to ONLY exist among so called American Stan accounts from Swifties / Beyhive ) is rooted in Russian bots trying to purposefully create tensions by using bey/ tay as a microcosm. 

They both do extremely different things and aren’t even in the same genre, so the pitting against each other has never made any sense. Even with Beyoncé stepping into Country music, I don’t think it’s comparable to Taylor’s country music style either, so it’s just like…? I really wanna know where it’s coming from aside from them being two of the only female musical artists people care about these days  
 

People can’t fathom that different artists have different skill sets and strengths. Beyoncé is regularly attacked for not being a songwriter/instrumentalist or whatever, but I don’t see it taking away from what she does or her music. Likewise, Taylor isn’t a dancer or a strong vocalist but it doesn’t take away from what she does. Beyoncé was clearly able to convey a lot of emotions through Lemonade, for example, and touch many people with it, those accusations notwithstanding. Just like how myself and (obviously) many others absolutely love Taylor’s vocals and singing style, vocalist or not.