Cleanromantic Posted February 24 Posted February 24 17 hours ago, Arrows said: I think Taylor would benefit a lot from humanizing herself a little bit right now… She’s everywhere, but she’s only really seen on stage, with Travis, winning awards or when announcing stuff for people to consume, which is what half her social media consists of these days. Just a few videos of her playing guitar at home, some intimate interviews and performances would do wonders for her image right now. Remember when she released playlists of songs she liked, just for fun? When she surprised fans at their weddings or birthdays? Seems unthinkable that she would do stuff like that these days. People will call anything she does in that nature calculated and insincere. She doesn't need to do anything to appease people who always and will always hate her. The GP doesn't care and will follow any mainstream narrative and the fans (not the cupcake performative ones) already know her personality and the way she acts . She's literally doing nothing but touring and releasing music, if the obsessed can't handle that, that's on them. 10
LostInStereo100 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 Nature is healing with Katy attending the eras tour
Michael196 Posted February 24 Posted February 24 A fine line is an understatement to what separates enjoying and even being up her ass to the extreme behavior of a big part of the fanbase when it comes to everything, mainly the personal aspect of her career, can't wait for the album to drop so she could get him out of her system and put him in the past, to finally end this disturbing discourse of trying to paint him as the third coming of the SN & Red scums. Also... the single funny thing about the nickname is the individuals that came up with it and are using it, like the call is coming from inside the house 3 3
kyoshi Posted February 24 Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Michael196 said: A fine line is an understatement to what separates enjoying and even being up her ass to the extreme behavior of a big part of the fanbase when it comes to everything, mainly the personal aspect of her career, can't wait for the album to drop so she could get him out of her system and put him in the past, to finally end this disturbing discourse of trying to paint him as the third coming of the SN & Red scums. Also... the single funny thing about the nickname is the individuals that came up with it and are using it, like the call is coming from inside the house
Sweeftie13 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 If Reputation TV comes out after an adequate amount of time from TTPD, Taylor could push Gateway Car to radio, it could literally ride the success of Cruel Summer and be a big hit
Opulence Posted February 25 Posted February 25 What tour do you guys think has the better choreo between Rep and Eras? Personally I think Rep but Eras actually has some great moments (especially in the reputation section soooo idk)
penguintim Posted February 25 Posted February 25 (edited) no bc like any great love it keeps you guessing like any real love it's ever-changing like any true love it drives you crazy BUT you know you wouldn't change anything anything anything,,,,, Edited February 25 by penguintim 2
Opulence Posted February 25 Posted February 25 I love the mashups she does. Thats what I expected the Eras to be. There's these concept on youtube that i love that incorporates a lot of mashups together that I think is great especially one that's Paris/Message in a Bottle. Wish I can remember who it's by though I just have it downloaded
taylor__fan Posted February 25 Posted February 25 It's crazy that Lover is doing 2M daily and almost top 50 Who would have thought 4 years ago 1
beckyswift Posted February 25 Posted February 25 is anyone else feeling untouchable like a distant diamond sky today? just me?? 2
Klein Posted February 25 Posted February 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, idkwiam said: An ICONIC era Does this mean Taylor now has 5 out of the 10 most streamed female albums? Lover, Midnights, 1989, folklore & Reputation? Edited February 25 by Klein
Kyle-x Posted February 25 Posted February 25 2 hours ago, Klein said: Does this mean Taylor now has 5 out of the 10 most streamed female albums? Lover, Midnights, 1989, folklore & Reputation? I think 4 until folklore surpasses thank u, next in some weeks 1
Prismee Posted February 25 Posted February 25 i hope this is a safe space to discuss this, but does anyone feel like so much of the hate Taylor gets here is misogynistic? I'm aware this might not always be the case outside of here and the misogyny reason is sometimes misused, but strictly on this site, a male-dominated site at that, there's this repeated attempt to reduce her fanbase to "crazy white girls". And the frequent threads mocking her female fans and painting them as obsessed and emotional, when their own behavior as a stan of their fave is probably just as obsessive 2 5
Bubble Tea Posted February 25 Posted February 25 4 minutes ago, Prismee said: i hope this is a safe space to discuss this, but does anyone feel like so much of the hate Taylor gets here is misogynistic? I'm aware this might not always be the case outside of here and the misogyny reason is sometimes misused, but strictly on this site, a male-dominated site at that, there's this repeated attempt to reduce her fanbase to "crazy white girls". And the frequent threads mocking her female fans and painting them as obsessed and emotional, when their own behavior as a stan of their fave is probably just as obsessive I don't think that because everyone on here is stanning a pop girl of some sort. We're certainly hearing more about Taylor Swift and her fanbase than anyone else lately so naturally, you're hearing more comment on her and them etc. The highs and lows of fame and success I fear. 1
Klein Posted February 25 Posted February 25 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Tropical said: I don't think that because everyone on here is stanning a pop girl of some sort. We're certainly hearing more about Taylor Swift and her fanbase than anyone else lately so naturally, you're hearing more comment on her and them etc. The highs and lows of fame and success I fear. The hyper-fixation on Taylor doesn't invalidate the prevalence of misogyny on this website. Being listened to by straight men is seen as a roaring success, it's "cool", meanwhile being beloved by girls, especially teenage girls, is looked down upon as "lesser than". "If it appeals to teenage girls, it must be bad". Also, even women can be subject to internalized misogyny. A gay man is definitely not free from being misogynistic just because they're stanning a pop girl. Edited February 25 by Klein 2
Kyle-x Posted February 25 Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, Tropical said: I don't think that because everyone on here is stanning a pop girl of some sort. We're certainly hearing more about Taylor Swift and her fanbase than anyone else lately so naturally, you're hearing more comment on her and them etc. The highs and lows of fame and success I fear. I think what they're saying is that there are lots of threads/comments posting about specific Swifties online that are all women and calling them hysterical, crazy, unstable, highly emotional, etc. that are all rooted in misogyny. Taylor is one of the few pop girls on here whose fanbase is stereotyped as being mostly young women vs. most pop girls' fans on here being stereotypically gay men. I've seen videos of men crying at Renaissance or The Chromatica Ball but they've never been posted here and mocked, probably because the men here would easily identify themselves with those men "being in the presence of MOTHER!" instead of cringing at the women. 4
Lemon Posted February 26 Posted February 26 (edited) 8 hours ago, Prismee said: i hope this is a safe space to discuss this, but does anyone feel like so much of the hate Taylor gets here is misogynistic? I'm aware this might not always be the case outside of here and the misogyny reason is sometimes misused, but strictly on this site, a male-dominated site at that, there's this repeated attempt to reduce her fanbase to "crazy white girls". And the frequent threads mocking her female fans and painting them as obsessed and emotional, when their own behavior as a stan of their fave is probably just as obsessive It’s one of the key reasons why she gets flak outside of here too. Overall clean figure and woman at that who gets this huge doesn’t rub everyone the right way. These are two main reasons. I mean, even The Beatles in their prime weren’t respected enough like just later on because of those “female fans”. That’s just example to show that what girls actually enjoy is deemed of lesser quality even if it’s not like that objectively, because role of a woman has always been portrayed as less(er). And I agree that Taylor embraces femininity and glitter of it all, because that’s who she is, but some have problem with wrapping their heads around the fact that glitter is and can be of strong quality like anything else out there. Edited February 26 by Lemon 1
MingYouToo Posted February 26 Posted February 26 14 hours ago, idkwiam said: An ICONIC era 10 hours ago, Prismee said: i hope this is a safe space to discuss this, but does anyone feel like so much of the hate Taylor gets here is misogynistic? I'm aware this might not always be the case outside of here and the misogyny reason is sometimes misused, but strictly on this site, a male-dominated site at that, there's this repeated attempt to reduce her fanbase to "crazy white girls". And the frequent threads mocking her female fans and painting them as obsessed and emotional, when their own behavior as a stan of their fave is probably just as obsessive Honestly I think we're beyond the misogyny narrative. Its almost completely racially driven at this point. A lot of the online discourse around Taylor Swift in 2024 is almost always put in juxtaposition with women like Beyonce, sad to say. Its racially driven more than gender driven. I was just about to open up this topic with my friends irl bc I open Twitter and its a bunch of 30k-50k liked tweets about how basic and boring she is (and its almost always black twitter doing it yes im sick of pretending its not) and how her success is all owed to how she is an insert for boring white girls who think being mediocre is acceptable. The narrative that's always run is that Taylor Swift's existence and mega success is an affront to so many because they have so much more talent, etc. all insanely talented women, but why HER? Why the white girl with blue eyes who used to sing yeehaw music? Why does she get the majority of the pie? It has to be race! No talent, all white girl magic! All white privilege. No her songwriting is mid! It can't be. She can't sing amazingly like Bey or dance as well as Janet! She's talentless! https://x.com/KonnyTalks/status/1761512034867253621?s=20 Frankly I'm tired of pretending but its no longer the misogynists carrying the hate train this time, its the race war feuding people (esp since its BHM), I can quote so many tweets and you can check its all basically 'she's white, why not black people! They deserve it more' type narrative. Again, its so hard to discuss this normally because so many people will easily mob me and say 'you're being racist!' when in reality no, we can discuss the systemic issues that hurt the community while also isolating the Taylor Swift phenomena and its intersections with race. Its unfounded hate from a community that has been historically disparaged by the capitalist society we live in. Do I agree that the black community is constantly being hurt by systemic structures? Yes. Do I think the music industry has biases against black artists, specifically black women? Yes. Do I think Taylor Swift has benefited from white privilege? For sure. But is Taylor Swift the epitome of the sins of the industry and peak white mediocrity? Absof*ckinlutely not. Taylor is being used as a monolith for all the grievances the black community has towards the industry and I'm sick of it. And in the process, some users online become so emboldened to spout racist rhetoric especially towards Asians. Even here on ATRL, I've seen so many 'white worshipping Asians' comment in response to threads about Asia loving Taylor its insane and the mods just let them get out scot free. It speaks really to how divided and how echo chambery the online space is now. 4 1 2
greento Posted February 26 Posted February 26 48 minutes ago, MingYouToo said: Honestly I think we're beyond the misogyny narrative. Its almost completely racially driven at this point. A lot of the online discourse around Taylor Swift in 2024 is almost always put in juxtaposition with women like Beyonce, sad to say. Its racially driven more than gender driven. I was just about to open up this topic with my friends irl bc I open Twitter and its a bunch of 30k-50k liked tweets about how basic and boring she is (and its almost always black twitter doing it yes im sick of pretending its not) and how her success is all owed to how she is an insert for boring white girls who think being mediocre is acceptable. The narrative that's always run is that Taylor Swift's existence and mega success is an affront to so many because they have so much more talent, etc. all insanely talented women, but why HER? Why the white girl with blue eyes who used to sing yeehaw music? Why does she get the majority of the pie? It has to be race! No talent, all white girl magic! All white privilege. No her songwriting is mid! It can't be. She can't sing amazingly like Bey or dance as well as Janet! She's talentless! https://x.com/KonnyTalks/status/1761512034867253621?s=20 Frankly I'm tired of pretending but its no longer the misogynists carrying the hate train this time, its the race war feuding people (esp since its BHM), I can quote so many tweets and you can check its all basically 'she's white, why not black people! They deserve it more' type narrative. Again, its so hard to discuss this normally because so many people will easily mob me and say 'you're being racist!' when in reality no, we can discuss the systemic issues that hurt the community while also isolating the Taylor Swift phenomena and its intersections with race. Its unfounded hate from a community that has been historically disparaged by the capitalist society we live in. Do I agree that the black community is constantly being hurt by systemic structures? Yes. Do I think the music industry has biases against black artists, specifically black women? Yes. Do I think Taylor Swift has benefited from white privilege? For sure. But is Taylor Swift the epitome of the sins of the industry and peak white mediocrity? Absof*ckinlutely not. Taylor is being used as a monolith for all the grievances the black community has towards the industry and I'm sick of it. And in the process, some users online become so emboldened to spout racist rhetoric especially towards Asians. Even here on ATRL, I've seen so many 'white worshipping Asians' comment in response to threads about Asia loving Taylor it’s insane and the mods just let them get out scot free. It speaks really to how divided and how echo chambery the online space is now. All of this. Why can’t people just understand not everyone cares about dancing and amazing vocals. Most people just want fun, relatable songs that they can sing along to, which is exactly what Taylor excels at. 1
Klein Posted February 26 Posted February 26 25 minutes ago, MingYouToo said: Honestly I think we're beyond the misogyny narrative. Its almost completely racially driven at this point. A lot of the online discourse around Taylor Swift in 2024 is almost always put in juxtaposition with women like Beyonce, sad to say. Its racially driven more than gender driven. I was just about to open up this topic with my friends irl bc I open Twitter and its a bunch of 30k-50k liked tweets about how basic and boring she is (and its almost always black twitter doing it yes im sick of pretending its not) and how her success is all owed to how she is an insert for boring white girls who think being mediocre is acceptable. The narrative that's always run is that Taylor Swift's existence and mega success is an affront to so many because they have so much more talent, etc. all insanely talented women, but why HER? Why the white girl with blue eyes who used to sing yeehaw music? Why does she get the majority of the pie? It has to be race! No talent, all white girl magic! All white privilege. No her songwriting is mid! It can't be. She can't sing amazingly like Bey or dance as well as Janet! She's talentless! https://x.com/KonnyTalks/status/1761512034867253621?s=20 Frankly I'm tired of pretending but its no longer the misogynists carrying the hate train this time, its the race war feuding people (esp since its BHM), I can quote so many tweets and you can check its all basically 'she's white, why not black people! They deserve it more' type narrative. Again, its so hard to discuss this normally because so many people will easily mob me and say 'you're being racist!' when in reality no, we can discuss the systemic issues that hurt the community while also isolating the Taylor Swift phenomena and its intersections with race. Its unfounded hate from a community that has been historically disparaged by the capitalist society we live in. Do I agree that the black community is constantly being hurt by systemic structures? Yes. Do I think the music industry has biases against black artists, specifically black women? Yes. Do I think Taylor Swift has benefited from white privilege? For sure. But is Taylor Swift the epitome of the sins of the industry and peak white mediocrity? Absof*ckinlutely not. Taylor is being used as a monolith for all the grievances the black community has towards the industry and I'm sick of it. And in the process, some users online become so emboldened to spout racist rhetoric especially towards Asians. Even here on ATRL, I've seen so many 'white worshipping Asians' comment in response to threads about Asia loving Taylor its insane and the mods just let them get out scot free. It speaks really to how divided and how echo chambery the online space is now. I agree with what you said generally, that there's no inherent reason as to why Taylor has become the punching bag for the frustration of a capitalist and racist systemic structure. She's simply masterfully put pen to paper the thoughts and feelings of many people and that's why people resonate a lot with it. I don't understand how it's that difficult to understand to anyone. But I guess everyone is looking for something different from pop music. I think a huge chunk of that pop music audience is leaning towards "entertainment" more, in that they are more in search for an escapism of some sort. That said, even if I don't really like it, I think Taylor has become the center of all these discussions on racism, capitalism, feminism, environment etc... because she is literally the last enduring piece of monoculture. Every other artists has somewhat become "niche" in the sense that you can escape them completely if you don't care. That was the case for Taylor too before Midnights/The Eras Tour happened. At the time she was getting nothing but endless praise (except for the few trolls acting like she couldn't get a hit, but that's a very specific, very insignificant number of people). Being the only part alive of monoculture makes her the obvious starting point for every cultural discussions that's being held. I think that's a great thing, to have a focal point/ubiquitous subject to start these conversations because it is then enticing for people to have them. The problem is that most people on online circles are not really interested in these conversations. They are a very very small minority of those engaging on the question. Taylor becoming a central point of any discussion is just frustrating for them because it's not their fave getting this attention. This is why we've reached the point where it's common to read that Taylor is a "white supremacist" because she's the most successful white artist for example, and barely anyone bats an eye. I think the current position of Taylor could be very interesting to have meaningful conversation on the various societal problematics of our generation by using her as an entry point because everyone knows her (and I don't mean just as an artist but also as a public figure). It's a shame it's not how it's going. 7
cat1867 Posted February 26 Posted February 26 Also remember alot of this is just stans being unhinged. Stans feel threatened when there are other pop artists more successful than their fave. They don't have much else to attack Taylor for so they attack her race. Ignore them and don't attack an artist due to their deranged stans. A big reason stan fights get so nasty is due to deranged attacks by other stans. A swiftie attacks beyonce so the beyhive attack taylor and then swifties retaliate even more and so on. Nothing was more comical when lana fans were leaving lover one star reviews since a few swifties gave nfr a one star review since it's metacritic score was higher . as a result, both albums ended up with a ridiclous number of one star reviews. 2
Mons†erMuscle™ Posted February 26 Posted February 26 I've spent the past decade+ intentionally ignoring this girl. Long story. But these past few days I've been listening to her music and watching her videos and... she's absolutely brilliant. Folklore and Evermore are so beautiful. "Willow" and "Cowboy like me" are heaven. And watching some of the clips from the Eras Tour... she's so endearing. I've really had her all wrong. 7
Dear Reader Posted February 26 Posted February 26 9 minutes ago, Mons†erMuscle™ said: I've spent the past decade+ intentionally ignoring this girl. Long story. But these past few days I've been listening to her music and watching her videos and... she's absolutely brilliant. Folklore and Evermore are so beautiful. "Willow" and "Cowboy like me" are heaven. And watching some of the clips from the Eras Tour... she's so endearing. I've really had her all wrong. You deserve forgiveness for these two sentences alone! 1 2
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