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[Kyle-x]

 

Fan donations have covered the costs, fortunately. But also unfortunately, because it wasn't their responsibility. But it's good to know the family won't be financially burdened.

[Chartman]

I am sure Taylor spoke to a lawyer on Friday how to handle the situation. She is handling the situation according to the lawyers advice. 

 

Money is not the problem here. She paid 55 Million $ in bonuses for her crew, so paying for a dead fan $3k+ is like nothing.

Edited November 20, 2023 by Chartman

[Cruel Summer]

5 minutes ago, Klein said:

Like I said in that other thread, I think there's a middle ground between Taylor is a saint and Taylor is the re-incarnation of Satan. I am really disappointed that neither her or her team reached out to the family, but I also think we really don't know what's going on behind the scene. Those two things can be true. 

 

Like I don't believe for one second that someone came to her and asked "do you wanna pay the expenses for the family?" and she said no. However, I do believe that this wasn't the priority in the middle of the shitstorm that is obviously happening. That said, I'm disappointed that it wasn't the top priority, and that's why I'd like to know what's really going on because I don't really know where to stand on the situation. Can I understand Taylor's position (without excusing it), or not? 

I think one of the things at play here is the fact that with a death, you often have investigations into legal culpability. The court of public opinion moves far faster than an actual investigation can move, and the fact that another party (T4F) is likely much more directly liable for what happened is simultaneously getting lost in some of the public discourse (especially among bad faith actors who merely want to blame a pop star they don’t like) and also potentially limiting what Taylor and her team can do or say publicly. It may even be limiting to what she can do privately. I mean, autopsy results take time and T4F could be pushing for that to try to absolve themselves of responsibility, the legal proceedings surrounding a death and release of the body take time, then there’s the possible investigation that could come out of all this, there are undoubtedly teams of lawyers involved already - there are so many moving parts.
 

That complexity is why I am personally unwilling to conclude just yet that helping with the family’s costs and contacting them isn’t a top priority to a woman who we know to reach out privately where appropriate (see the Kesha thing), and who we know to be generous (see the bonuses she gave to her crew). It would just be so far from my understanding of her character, billionaire or otherwise, that it wouldn’t make any sense to me at all. Even if lawyers were advising her to literally do nothing further at all, I would be surprised if she wasn’t trying to challenge that.
 

I do hope she’s doing everything she can to help. I would be immeasurably disappointed in her if we somehow found out that she were trying to avoid helping, and not just trying to do things the right way, even if it takes time. But I seriously wonder if we will ever hear the full truth of what is being discussed behind closed doors right now, and if we will ever actually know.

 

Like you mentioned, I’m also thinking about stepping away from this conversation until we know more. It’s making me physically ill to see the most extreme takes directed at her and at fans today, because it feels like this is all happening without actual regard for the real, genuine human being who passed away. It’s such a disgusting feeling to see someone’s life reduced to stan war fodder because people don’t like the pop star who she wanted to go see in concert. I think some fans are potentially taking her side too unquestioningly, and maybe that’s even what I’m doing right now, but at least from most of us I can feel some sort of genuine sense of upset that a life was lost. I think that at every turn, that’s the part of this everyone needs to keep in mind.

[Dear Reader]

1 minute ago, Cruel Summer said:

I think one of the things at play here is the fact that with a death, you often have investigations into legal culpability. The court of public opinion moves far faster than an actual investigation can move, and the fact that another party (T4F) is likely much more directly liable for what happened is simultaneously getting lost in some of the public discourse (especially among bad faith actors who merely want to blame a pop star they don’t like) and also potentially limiting what Taylor and her team can do or say publicly. It may even be limiting to what she can do privately. I mean, autopsy results take time and T4F could be pushing for that to try to absolve themselves of responsibility, the legal proceedings surrounding a death and release of the body take time, then there’s the possible investigation that could come out of all this, there are undoubtedly teams of lawyers involved already - there are so many moving parts.
 

That complexity is why I am personally unwilling to conclude just yet that helping with the family’s costs and contacting them isn’t a top priority to a woman who we know to reach out privately where appropriate (see the Kesha thing), and who we know to be generous (see the bonuses she gave to her crew). It would just be so far from my understanding of her character, billionaire or otherwise, that it wouldn’t make any sense to me at all. Even if lawyers were advising her to literally do nothing further at all, I would be surprised if she wasn’t trying to challenge that.
 

I do hope she’s doing everything she can to help. I would be immeasurably disappointed in her if we somehow found out that she were trying to avoid helping, and not just trying to do things the right way, even if it takes time. But I seriously wonder if we will ever hear the full truth of what is being discussed behind closed doors right now, and if we will ever actually know.

 

Like you mentioned, I’m also thinking about stepping away from this conversation until we know more. It’s making me physically ill to see the most extreme takes directed at her and at fans today, because it feels like this is all happening without actual regard for the real, genuine human being who passed away. It’s such a disgusting feeling to see someone’s life reduced to stan war fodder because people don’t like the pop star who she wanted to go see in concert. I think some fans are potentially taking her side too unquestioningly, and maybe that’s even what I’m doing right now, but at least from most of us I can feel some sort of genuine sense of upset that a life was lost. I think that at every turn, that’s the part of this everyone needs to keep in mind.

you’re always so eloquent and well put with your words. your posts are always a delight to read and this is how I feel 100% about the whole situation 

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

I think one of the things at play here is the fact that with a death, you often have investigations into legal culpability. The court of public opinion moves far faster than an actual investigation can move, and the fact that another party (T4F) is likely much more directly liable for what happened is simultaneously getting lost in some of the public discourse (especially among bad faith actors who merely want to blame a pop star they don’t like) and also potentially limiting what Taylor and her team can do or say publicly. It may even be limiting to what she can do privately. I mean, autopsy results take time and T4F could be pushing for that to try to absolve themselves of responsibility, the legal proceedings surrounding a death and release of the body take time, then there’s the possible investigation that could come out of all this, there are undoubtedly teams of lawyers involved already - there are so many moving parts.
 

That complexity is why I am personally unwilling to conclude just yet that helping with the family’s costs and contacting them isn’t a top priority to a woman who we know to reach out privately where appropriate (see the Kesha thing), and who we know to be generous (see the bonuses she gave to her crew). It would just be so far from my understanding of her character, billionaire or otherwise, that it wouldn’t make any sense to me at all. Even if lawyers were advising her to literally do nothing further at all, I would be surprised if she wasn’t trying to challenge that.
 

I do hope she’s doing everything she can to help. I would be immeasurably disappointed in her if we somehow found out that she were trying to avoid helping, and not just trying to do things the right way, even if it takes time. But I seriously wonder if we will ever hear the full truth of what is being discussed behind closed doors right now, and if we will ever actually know.

 

Like you mentioned, I’m also thinking about stepping away from this conversation until we know more. It’s making me physically ill to see the most extreme takes directed at her and at fans today, because it feels like this is all happening without actual regard for the real, genuine human being who passed away. It’s such a disgusting feeling to see someone’s life reduced to stan war fodder because people don’t like the pop star who she wanted to go see in concert. I think some fans are potentially taking her side too unquestioningly, and maybe that’s even what I’m doing right now, but at least from most of us I can feel some sort of genuine sense of upset that a life was lost. I think that at every turn, that’s the part of this everyone needs to keep in mind.

This completely encapsulates every feelings I have regarding the entire situation. We just don't know anything really, and that's why it's making me anxious about what's going on. 

 

Thank you for writing all that, because somehow, it really helps me. 

[By the Water]

We don't know what's happening behind the scenes, we don't know why Taylor and her team didn't cover those costs and I'm sure a lot of stuff is still getting investigated. Just because we're not jumping to conclusions doesn't make us a 'cult'. Taylor has never been one not to help fans financially so who knows why she didn't this time. Whether it was because they were told not to legally or because she doesn't care it's not some protest that's gonna change that. Of course I wish she had got in contact with the family and helped whichever way she could and I find it odd that she hasn't but until we know why I see no point in throwing a tantrum. For now all we can hope is for the family to get through this as smoothly as possible and eventually for them to get justice and, as frustrating as it is to be in the dark, unfortunately this is how things are for now

[YR.]

I was in the November 17th Rio date. I couldn't belive what I saw and the amount of stress I was put in

[Cleanromantic]

You guys are being overdramatic. We don't know what is happening behind the scenes and we all know there isn't a low the oth wouldn't stoop to to drag Taylor and her fans and try to finally get a win. None of the people commenting on this with pitchforks in their hands care about Anna's death, they'll move on once there's something new to attack Taylor for. 

[By the Water]

Again, I feel like there's a lot around the situation that we don't know about and as frustrating as it might be all we can do is wait for more information to come out

[Tusk]

Her fans are the worst. She needs to punish them and cancel everything. 
 

Ungrateful humans deserve nothing at this point.

 

[Badgalbriel]

Today's show will be humiliating. Fans are pretty mad that she hasn't talked about or helped the Ana's family at all and will start shouting Justice for Ana before Champaign Problems. This will get messy. 

[Michael196]

Getting mad over dedicating a silent moment in honor of the dead girl, yet filling the tl swooning over the desperate clout chaser 

[IBeMe]

Omg imagine Travis proposes to Taylor with a paper ring and then Paper Rings goes mega mega viral and becomes another #1 for her  Obsessed Paper Rings Stans plz flood Travis' dms with this idea NOW

 

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Anyways, glad to see she added a song like Agora Hills to her pre performance playlist. Makes me imagine her having a song like that on Reputation TV  The production on that song is eargasmic tbh  

[Goaty]

That WSJ interview w/ Travis is cute. He gushes about her and drops a few little details about how they met. 
 

Nice to see something a little more lighthearted after all the tragedy over the weekend. 

[Michael196]

I really hope that she’s waiting to get out of there, to finally be able to do whatever she wants. I feel that the company’s demise will be under her hands…

[perfectillusion204]

These are my date predictions for the next 3 albums:

 

reputation (TV) - April 26, 2024

Taylor Swift (TV) - September 13, 2024

TS11 - December 13, 2024

 

As much as I want TS11 earlier, I think she needs to get the TVs out of the way. And I don't really see her "rushing" them. But the hype for TS11 is going to be so high 

[folkloreking]

She really cut the applause short herself… When she inevitably fixes everything and causes T4F’s downfall, they better not switch and cheer like ungrateful swiffers always do when they realize they were too quick to slander her. This has been humiliating. 

[Taylor fanboy]

7 hours ago, IBeMe said:

Omg imagine Travis proposes to Taylor with a paper ring and then Paper Rings goes mega mega viral and becomes another #1 for her  Obsessed Paper Rings Stans plz flood Travis' dms with this idea NOW

 

 

He’s not jobless.

[Taylor fanboy]

8 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Today's show will be humiliating. Fans are pretty mad that she hasn't talked about or helped the Ana's family at all and will start shouting Justice for Ana before Champaign Problems. This will get messy. 

This didn’t happen.

[Klein]

The Rep TV announcement coming next WE 

[PoisonedIvy]

Speak Now TV announcement felt magical, we were all on one accord as a fanbase

 

1989 TV announcement was monumental, the entire world was shook

 

But rep TV announcement is going to be feral, it is THEE most polarizing album/era of her career and the people who love it (like ME!) will go FERAL.

[Taylor fanboy]

Anyone else think Taylor’s Team pay for social media content?

 

I’m noticing faceless (anime, color pfp etc.) newly created IG accounts using the OOTW-LWYMMD sound to hype reputation.

Edited November 21, 2023 by Taylor fanboy

[Klein]

8 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Speak Now TV announcement felt magical, we were all on one accord as a fanbase

 

1989 TV announcement was monumental, the entire world was shook

 

But rep TV announcement is going to be feral, it is THEE most polarizing album/era of her career and the people who love it (like ME!) will go FERAL.

And Debut TV... crickets. 

 

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, Klein said:

And Debut TV... crickets. 

 

I’m still holding on to delusional hope. A lot of people want Debut TV to be a double album but I want it to have the country versions AND pop remixes of every single song, like Shania Twain did for Up!  

[Klein]

1 minute ago, PoisonedIvy said:

I’m still holding on to delusional hope. A lot of people want Debut TV to be a double album but I want it to have the country versions AND pop remixes of every single song, like Shania Twain did for Up!  

I want a double album with tons of vault tracks but I'm not sure I personally want the pop remixes.  

 

Also to think she'll probably announce Debut TV in Europe. Oh the double crickets.