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[Michael196]

btw the bbmas video is probably from last weekend, since she didn’t wear that outfit tonight or on friday…

Edited November 20, 2023 by Michael196

[Rep2000]

2 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

I understand that, and the past two days have definitely been extremely hard to go through in every way possible. But this remains a priority too and Tree should’ve reached out immediately, communication and language are no barriers in this day and age, especially with the resources available for them.

And sorry if that will sound insensitive, but it’s neither the family or the fans’ responsibility to take care of the financial issues when two wealthy parties are involved, and Taylor’s team should take matters to their own hands instead of waiting for the trash company to move, especially since there’s no hope that they will actually do anything.

The father put a statement yesterday where he didn’t fault or criticize Taylor in any way, despite being the most affected of what happened.

Tree is also human and also doesn't speak Portuguese natively nor having any contacts that she could use to reach out to in this situation. In fact, is she even in Brazil with Taylor in the first place?
Let them be humans for a second and give them time. I trust Taylor would make it right. She always has been.

[cat1867]

14 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

I understand that, and the past two days have definitely been extremely hard to go through in every way possible. But this remains a priority too and Tree should’ve reached out immediately, communication and language are no barriers in this day and age, especially with the resources available for them.

And sorry if that will sound insensitive, but it’s neither the family or the fans’ responsibility to take care of the financial issues when two wealthy parties are involved, and Taylor’s team should take matters to their own hands instead of waiting for the trash company to move, especially since there’s no hope that they will actually do anything.

The father put a statement yesterday where he didn’t fault or criticize Taylor in any way, despite being the most affected of what happened.

Taylor should absolutely reach out. But I think its understandable that it will take time for an artist who is dealing with sh*t storm of a local government and organizer in a foreign country to not have done it yet.

 

We don't see a fraction of what stuff is going on behind the scenes. There are a thousand fires Taylor's team are trying to deal with it and this something they weren't expecting or prepared for all.  They partner with local event organizers since they don't have any of these connections in a foreign country.

 

Yesterday they were so overwhelmed that after Taylor post saying Saturday's show was postponed, the mayor had to clarify that the show was postponed to Monday instead of some other date. 

 

Tree's specialty is dealing with the American press not in getting contact information in a foreign country where she doesn't have connections.

Edited November 20, 2023 by cat1867

[1989]

42 minutes ago, Rep2000 said:

Tree is also human and also doesn't speak Portuguese natively nor having any contacts that she could use to reach out to in this situation. In fact, is she even in Brazil with Taylor in the first place?
Let them be humans for a second and give them time. I trust Taylor would make it right. She always has been.

Tree is always with Taylor whenever she tours. I do agree with you though, people need to give them some time. Absolutely none of this can—nor should—be handled with the snap of a finger. 

[Kyle-x]

Is it possible there are issues with T4F and potential legal issues with appearing culpable for what transpired? T4F seems pretty shady. I guess we'll see how this unfolds.

[Holiest Dreams]

Regarding this financial situation…

 

People are absolutely jumping to conclusions. Taylor is not at fault for what happened, so the logical thing to do would be the get the organizers to pay. That’s most likely what they attempted to do, however… T4F is clearly refusing to take any responsibility whatsoever, so Taylor’s team stepping in at this point would make sense.

 

Will it be shitty if they don’t do anything? Absolutely, then the lashings (though, many people such as in that one thread are only pretending to care about the victim) will be justified - but it’s too early to come at them from a moral standpoint without seeing what they do after T4F refused to help. 
 

There are serious legal issues involved with this as well, so I highly doubt she will reach out to the family to say anything directly or personally apologize. That could be deemed as admission of guilt and things would get tricky then. However, lending a hand with the funeral/body transportation costs would hopefully not fall under that (which I’m only assuming, hopefully someone else knows better than I do because I’m not legally knowledgeable enough to say with full certainty. If even that is considered a form of admission of guilt then I don’t know what they will do)*

*I’m not giving any input into whether her team taking legal issues into consideration in this situation is moral or not, so don’t come for me if you disagree with that. I’m just stating what’s probable.


 

And on that note, I feel truly awful for Ana’s family and hope they are able to get assistance. I’m still kind of in disbelief over this situation, it’s just… wow.

[Dear Reader]

8 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

Regarding this financial situation…

 

People are absolutely jumping to conclusions. Taylor is not at fault for what happened, so the logical thing to do would be the get the organizers to pay. That’s most likely what they attempted to do, however… T4F is clearly refusing to take any responsibility whatsoever, so Taylor’s team stepping in at this point would make sense.

 

Will it be shitty if they don’t do anything? Absolutely, then the lashings (though, many people such as in that one thread are only pretending to care about the victim) will be justified - but it’s too early to come at them from a moral standpoint without seeing what they do after T4F refused to help. 
 

There are serious legal issues involved with this as well, so I highly doubt she will reach out to the family to say anything directly or personally apologize. That could be deemed as admission of guilt and things would get tricky then. However, lending a hand with the funeral/body transportation costs would hopefully not fall under that (which I’m only assuming, hopefully someone else knows better than I do because I’m not legally knowledgeable enough to say with full certainty. If even that is considered a form of admission of guilt then I don’t know what they will do)*

*I’m not giving any input into whether her team taking legal issues into consideration in this situation is moral or not, so don’t come for me if you disagree with that. I’m just stating what’s probable.


 

And on that note, I feel truly awful for Ana’s family and hope they are able to get assistance. I’m still kind of in disbelief over this situation, it’s just… wow.

Everything that will outcome of this will be awful. It’s really a lose-lose situation. The right thing for TN to do is to help the family with anything they want since T4F seems to not care for anything at all. 

What makes this even sadder for me is that this was supposed to be such a fun time and a “we finally were lucky” moment for the brazilian fandom… When I saw the news about the fan I knew this would turn into a mess cause this forum can’t be impartial with any Pop girl ever. If you hate someone, you’ll hate them even at times like this. It’s sick and twisted. 

[Holiest Dreams]

18 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Everything that will outcome of this will be awful. It’s really a lose-lose situation. The right thing for TN to do is to help the family with anything they want since T4F seems to not care for anything at all. 

What makes this even sadder for me is that this was supposed to be such a fun time and a “we finally were lucky” moment for the brazilian fandom… When I saw the news about the fan I knew this would turn into a mess cause this forum can’t be impartial with any Pop girl ever. If you hate someone, you’ll hate them even at times like this. It’s sick and twisted. 

I hope they help her family out, it’s just heartbreaking. The Brazil shows were probably the most anticipated of the tour 

 

And exactly. People can’t chill out for even one second and it’s gross. People start wagging their tails at the scent of any possible Taylor backlash; even if it’s something as unfortunate and serious as this, which isn’t her fault. Turning a young girl who lost her life into a pawn in stupid fan wars is just …. no words.

[Dear Reader]

Just now, Holiest Dreams said:

I hope they help her family out, it’s just heartbreaking. The Brazil shows were probably the most anticipated of the tour 

 

And exactly. People can’t chill out for even one second and it’s gross. People start wagging their tails at the scent of any possible Taylor backlash; even if it’s something as unfortunate and serious as this, which isn’t her fault. Turning a young girl who lost her life into a pawn in stupid fan wars is just …. no words.

I’ve been trying to stay out of those threads and trying to keep within our base to prevent reading some comments. It appears to me that people are on her side on Twitter, for what I’ve seen. 

 

I really think that TN will end up seeing that her family is in need of help and will reach out to the her parents. I’m also almost sure that they’re trying to reach the family as we speak. 

 

I’m just glad she’ll have a big break after the São Paulo shows cause she’ll need to rest after all of this. 

[By the Water]

I'm sure there are legal reasons behind this but Taylor better reach out and find some way to help her family. Tree has definitely handled this poorly so far

[enchanted0]

2 hours ago, Holiest Dreams said:

Regarding this financial situation…

 

People are absolutely jumping to conclusions. Taylor is not at fault for what happened, so the logical thing to do would be the get the organizers to pay. That’s most likely what they attempted to do, however… T4F is clearly refusing to take any responsibility whatsoever, so Taylor’s team stepping in at this point would make sense.

 

Will it be shitty if they don’t do anything? Absolutely, then the lashings (though, many people such as in that one thread are only pretending to care about the victim) will be justified - but it’s too early to come at them from a moral standpoint without seeing what they do after T4F refused to help. 
 

There are serious legal issues involved with this as well, so I highly doubt she will reach out to the family to say anything directly or personally apologize. That could be deemed as admission of guilt and things would get tricky then. However, lending a hand with the funeral/body transportation costs would hopefully not fall under that (which I’m only assuming, hopefully someone else knows better than I do because I’m not legally knowledgeable enough to say with full certainty. If even that is considered a form of admission of guilt then I don’t know what they will do)*

*I’m not giving any input into whether her team taking legal issues into consideration in this situation is moral or not, so don’t come for me if you disagree with that. I’m just stating what’s probable.


 

And on that note, I feel truly awful for Ana’s family and hope they are able to get assistance. I’m still kind of in disbelief over this situation, it’s just… wow.

 you said the exact thing I wanted to say

Edited November 20, 2023 by enchanted0

[SpeakNowTv]

she has like 300 songs from Fearless left and she keeps singing Rep songs, like she's in a rush to get to the last one, maybe im starting to believe the announcement theories  

[Dear Reader]

1 minute ago, SpeakNowTv said:

she has like 300 songs from Fearless left and she keeps singing Rep songs, like she's in a rush to get to the last one, maybe im starting to believe the announcement theories  

She’s most likely saving I Did Something Bad for the 26th to announce it, I’m pretty confident 

[TaylorNation]

the mental gymnastics and group circle jerks that use ATRL threads as the designated bottom kneeing in the middle like in a bukkake over this whole situation is so tiring. 

 

it’s giving pent-up energy release… I want to quote so many people but i’m not even going to bother

[IBeMe]

Not people blaming her now for the poor girls body not making it home yet....this is so sad and tragic all around but it is a reflection of the complete failure of the Brazilian government. How on earth is it too expensive to take someone's body to their hometown. It's so heartbreaking. I do hope fans are able to amass the money to be able to transport Ana to her family or that Taylor's team sees this and tries to help but my gosh the way ppl are saying she NEEDS to do more is insane...this was completely out of her hand. It was a tragic accident that occurred because venues are cheap AF and do not offer fans water nor do they use cooling systems or anything which is horrible. 

[campelo]

32 minutes ago, IBeMe said:

Not people blaming her now for the poor girls body not making it home yet....this is so sad and tragic all around but it is a reflection of the complete failure of the Brazilian government. How on earth is it too expensive to take someone's body to their hometown. It's so heartbreaking. I do hope fans are able to amass the money to be able to transport Ana to her family or that Taylor's team sees this and tries to help but my gosh the way ppl are saying she NEEDS to do more is insane...this was completely out of her hand. It was a tragic accident that occurred because venues are cheap AF and do not offer fans water nor do they use cooling systems or anything which is horrible. 

Brazil is huge, so the costs of carrying a body with all the legal and organisation fees is close to 6k to 10k in Brazilian currency. 
 

That makes around 2.5k US dollars....

[LiamVillain]

a mess on twitter 

[every1blinks]

OTHs practically reveling in this fan’s death just because it gives them an “excuse” to drag her is weird.

 

Anyway, we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. I hope everything gets worked out with the family and that Taylor’s mental health is being taken seriously.

[folkloreking]

Ugh. I was so glad yesterday went well, and now we have even more mess happening. Anyway, just one more show there. 

[Klein]

6 minutes ago, folkloreking said:

Ugh. I was so glad yesterday went well, and now we have even more mess happening. Anyway, just one more show there. 

Yeah I fear tonight's show is going to be a MESS. 

[folkloreking]

1 minute ago, Klein said:

Yeah I fear tonight's show is going to be a MESS. 

All the tweets about protesting… I feel immense dread in anticipation.

[4Real]

Any of you who are downvoting people RIGHTFULLY criticizing Taylor and defending her on this terrible matter should be ashamed of yourselves. Disgusting cult.

[4Real]

I hope the fans do protest and make Taylor feel terrible about this, as she should be.

[Klein]

1 minute ago, folkloreking said:

All the tweets about protesting… I feel immense dread in anticipation.

Yeah at this point I think I need to disconnect from all of this (not sure I'll be able to) because I find it taxing to be talking and reading about this tragedy for three days now. Everything coming from every single angle is just sad. The girl passing, the fans fainting, the show postponed at the very last minute, the fan dying on the beach, Taylor's inaction, T4F's inaction, the fans responses (and the clash between those who are calling her out and those who defend her at all cost). 

 

Like there's not one piece of good information about all this situation, except the money the fans managed to raise to help Ana's family. 

[Klein]

4 minutes ago, 4Real said:

Any of you who are downvoting people RIGHTFULLY criticizing Taylor and defending her on this terrible matter should be ashamed of yourselves. Disgusting cult.

Like I said in that other thread, I think there's a middle ground between Taylor is a saint and Taylor is the re-incarnation of Satan. I am really disappointed that neither her or her team reached out to the family, but I also think we really don't know what's going on behind the scene. Those two things can be true. 

 

Like I don't believe for one second that someone came to her and asked "do you wanna pay the expenses for the family?" and she said no. However, I do believe that this wasn't the priority in the middle of the shitstorm that is obviously happening. That said, I'm disappointed that it wasn't the top priority, and that's why I'd like to know what's really going on because I don't really know where to stand on the situation. Can I understand Taylor's position (without excusing it), or not?