fan base Taylor Swift

[Michael196]

10 hours ago, Vespertine said:

Don't worry, I still think it's bad  

because your taste or behavior are worth any kind of attention...

[Holiest Dreams]

40 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

 

You guys are delusional sorry  (well not you Holiest Dreams, but I must push back on the idea that Lover wasn’t a disaster for Her career)

 

Reputation opened with 1m+ copies. This reflects the fact that Swifties enjoyed LWYMMD, RFI, Gorgeous, and CIWYW, which were all available ahead of release. The only thing Reputation “killed” was Her radio power with some polarizing singles, but that obviously a moot point after Delicate did well. The album then led to one of the most successful tours of all time and certainly Her most successful until Eras. 

 

The fact that Lover opened with Her lowest sales in 10 years directly reflects the fact that Her fans hated everything they heard from Lover pre-release  The fact that ME! was edited because fans hated it so much is just unprecedented  Those singles also ruined what Delicate did for Her at radio.  

 

The fact that Her next two albums were a complete genre change barely a year after Lover proves that She knows Lover put Her career on life support and that She had a lot to prove as an artist.

 

Lover is doing so well now because She picked up a ton of new cupcake fans over the last few years + it has a current hit single + a brand new track was tacked on this year (things that reflect how huge She is in 2023, not 2019). At the time it came out, it was undoubtedly a disaster for Her career. 

 

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said, but that’s why I said it won in the end which is undoubtedly true. It’s a GP favorite now. It wasn’t received well back at the initial time of release (referring to Lover) and was quite the disastrous era, but also reputation wasn’t that hot either. It did debut well, but the performance following the first week was just simply not good for her standards. This goes for both rep and Lover, really. 
 

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter though because both albums are smashing now in 2023. She always wins  

Edited September 2, 2023 by Holiest Dreams

[Michael196]

 

 

this is the only acceptable way to sing along when she finally decides to do it on tour...

[Axelios]

51 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

 

You guys are delusional sorry  (well not you Holiest Dreams, but I must push back on the idea that Lover wasn’t a disaster for Her career)

 

Reputation opened with 1m+ copies. This reflects the fact that Swifties enjoyed LWYMMD, RFI, Gorgeous, and CIWYW, which were all available ahead of release. The only thing Reputation “killed” was Her radio power with some polarizing singles, but that obviously a moot point after Delicate did well. The album then led to one of the most successful tours of all time and certainly Her most successful until Eras. 

 

The fact that Lover opened with Her lowest sales in 10 years directly reflects the fact that Her fans hated everything they heard from Lover pre-release  The fact that ME! was edited because fans hated it so much is just unprecedented  Those singles also ruined what Delicate did for Her at radio.  

 

The fact that Her next two albums were a complete genre change barely a year after Lover proves that She knows Lover put Her career on life support and that She had a lot to prove as an artist.

 

Lover is doing so well now because She picked up a ton of new cupcake fans over the last few years + it has a current hit single + a brand new track was tacked on this year (things that reflect how huge She is in 2023, not 2019). At the time it came out, it was undoubtedly a disaster for Her career. 

 

Lover was released in the Summer which hurt its debut compared to Reputation, was available on streaming from week 1 and wasn't as frontloaded.

YNTCD was also a decent hit and clearly bigger than Delicate/End Game/RFI while Lover (song) always had longevity ever since its release.

The idea that Reputation was much more succesful than Lover is based on nothing.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Axelios

[Starchild]

“The idea that reputation was more successful than lover is based on nOThInG” except #1s, a record breaking tour, a million week seller, a radio hit (not 4 years late) etc  

[Klein]

1 minute ago, Starchild said:

“The idea that reputation was more successful than lover is based on nOThInG” except #1s, a record breaking tour, a million week seller, a radio hit (not 4 years late) etc  

And in the end, Lover moved more units with less #1 and no tour, despite Reputation having a 2 years head start. 

 

And now, Lover also has the most successful single. 

 

Reputation is a smash era, but it is less successful than Lover.

[Michael196]

can't ******* wait for the tour gross and the movie's box office numbers to drop

this hellhole will go extinct 

that jobless kt stan is fuming since the first day presales already crossed his fad's circus so called of a concert movie gross and since I called him out, all of these losers are ganging up to report and downvote my post, thinking they're doing something 

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Michael196

[Axelios]

43 minutes ago, Starchild said:

“The idea that reputation was more successful than lover is based on nOThInG” except #1s, a record breaking tour, a million week seller, a radio hit (not 4 years late) etc  

Both ME! and YNTCD would have been frontloaded #1s like LWYMMD if not for Old Town Road which was huge in terms of charts points.

[Peak Now]

When will we pull a Midnights and land all 20 spots on the trending topics charts?

[EmailMySwift]

Cruel Summer had its biggest streaming day yet  

[fridayteenage]

well, look what you made me do had 3 weeks #1.

 

me/calm each had one shot. 

[FolkLover1989]

It's so obvious what her team is trying to achieve

 

anyways glad I am not one of those hybrids who will put Taylor under scrutiny to get some cool points

 

 

 

[MardinBeksloy]

these insufferable threads  

Also Is anyone else struggling to embed tweet from Twitter on ATRL since they changed to X? The link won’t load when i paste them. 

[Lemon]

7 minutes ago, MardinBeksloy said:

these insufferable threads  

Also Is anyone else struggling to embed tweet from Twitter on ATRL since they changed to X? The link won’t load when i paste them. 

I think you should leave “twitter” instead of “X” in the link you want to post in order for it to be embedded. 

[Holiest Dreams]

The amount of fanfictions running rampant over ~that~ situation for the past two years, when Jack shut it down immediately and said they didn’t know they were getting credits  And it’s obviously not a lie either since the other party’s camp would’ve swiftly countered it. This whole thing is truly embarrassing, and not for Taylor.

 

If Taylor tried to sue or threaten a young artist over some measly song royalties it would’ve gotten out immediately, because there are legions of people waiting to pounce on/publish any damning information about her. Fast forward two years and there are zero credible sources to back up any malice on her part. I wonder why 

[Vespertine]

5 hours ago, Axelios said:

Both ME! and YNTCD would have been frontloaded #1s like LWYMMD if not for Old Town Road which was huge in terms of charts points.

Call LWYMMD "frontloaded" all you want but it would've gone #1 in pretty much any week ever, Old Town Road or not, and also stayed at #1 for three weeks. YNTCD plummeted out of the top 10 on week 2  ME! barely lasted longer. LWYMMD has 1.4b views on YouTube and is going to hit 1b Spotify streams soon. It was undoubtedly one of the biggest moments of Her entire career.

 

ME! and YNTCD have some of the worst recurrent stats of all Her pop singles on Spotify, competing only with End Game and the pop singles from Red that have their streams split between OG and TVs  Both songs are pretty much the worst choices She has ever made. 

 

This isn't about which album is performing better now -- obviously, that's Lover, thanks in large part to Cruel Summer -- but about the poster who tried to say Reputation "almost killed Her career" when that is clearly not true  

 

[19SLAYty9]

what do we think? Is the reason they’re not pushing CS because they’re releasing a song from 1989 tv?

[19SLAYty9]

9 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Call LWYMMD "frontloaded" all you want but it would've gone #1 in pretty much any week ever, Old Town Road or not, and also stayed at #1 for three weeks. YNTCD plummeted out of the top 10 on week 2  ME! barely lasted longer. LWYMMD has 1.4b views on YouTube and is going to hit 1b Spotify streams soon. It was undoubtedly one of the biggest moments of Her entire career.

 

ME! and YNTCD have some of the worst recurrent stats of all Her pop singles on Spotify, competing only with End Game and the pop singles from Red that have their streams split between OG and TVs  Both songs are pretty much the worst choices She has ever made. 

 

This isn't about which album is performing better now -- obviously, that's Lover, thanks in large part to Cruel Summer -- but about the poster who tried to say Reputation "almost killed Her career" when that is clearly not true  

 

But the reason why LWYMMD did SOOO well was bc it was immediately post 1989. If ME! Had been released instead it would’ve performed similarly. The reason why the lover singles weren’t received as well/ lover didn’t perform as well is bc it was post reputation which wasn’t properly appreciated at the time.

 

I like both albums btw. But the fact is, when reputation tv drops… it’s going to be either the biggest debit or 2nd biggest debut of the re recordings. May go down as an essential Taylor album too. 

[littlebodybigheart]

6 hours ago, Axelios said:

Both ME! and YNTCD would have been frontloaded #1s like LWYMMD if not for Old Town Road which was huge in terms of charts points.

look what you made me do would’ve dethroned old town road with ease tho. it did over 1100 points first week

[roso]

31 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

But the reason why LWYMMD did SOOO well was bc it was immediately post 1989. If ME! Had been released instead it would’ve performed similarly.

LWYMMD did huge numbers back then because the world was perched for her response to the snakegate. If her response had been MEss and butterflies and there ain't no I in team she'd have become a laughing stock

[Headlock]

This site has lost its goddamn mind this week 

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, littlebodybigheart said:

look what you made me do would’ve dethroned old town road with ease tho. it did over 1100 points first week

It is bigger but it also had the benefit of coming after 1989. Overall the performance of the Lover singles isn't much worse than Rep and the album was showing better longevity since its first weeks and despite having no dedicated tour.

[littlebodybigheart]

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

It is bigger but it also had the benefit of coming after 1989. Overall the performance of the Lover singles isn't much worse than Rep and the album was showing better longevity since its first weeks and despite having no dedicated tour.

i mean, we don’t know how “me!” would’ve performed after 1989 but just looking at the quality of the song i don’t think it would’ve shattered as many records. lover is a bigger album than rep tho and there’s no denying that. rep is better for me tho 

[fridayteenage]

59 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said:

what do we think? Is the reason they’re not pushing CS because they’re releasing a song from 1989 tv?

[By the Water]

I don't think rep almost killed her career. The opposite actually, it helped it stay alive through what could have been the end of it. Most girls if put in Taylor's shoes during 2016/2017 would self destruct but she didn't.

 

That being said, these comparisons make no sense since rep benefitted from being the follow up to 1989. She went from an album with 5 pop radio #1s to 3 of her most panned songs on radio so of course Lover's radio support wasn't as secured. End Game peaked higher on pop than Lover, which has now outstreamed multi-week #1 LWYMMD and pop radio #1 Delicate. And while YNTCD and ME!'s recurrent streams may suck, LWYMMD is being outstreamed by The Man and even non-viral non-single Getaway Car. In fact, out of her top 10 most streamed songs, it's only outstreaming IDWLF, which wasn't performed on tour, and Wildest Dreams, which is split between two versions