fan base Kesha

[Sam96]

Let’s have some fun in this base yall

lets create an eras tour type of thing for Kesha!
your dream setlist, opening acts, outfits and stuff etc 

[collin]

1 hour ago, Sam96 said:

Tour’s almost over. What should Kesha do next?
can y’all see her signing to another label?

I think she should go a step down from a major and really pursue alternative. But it sounds like she’s making upbeat pop songs right now, so. Not sure. Really curious what it’ll look like.

[Vixen Eyes]

1 hour ago, Sam96 said:

Is Marina’s music good?

i like most of it.

heres my favs throughout her career in album -> tracklist chronological order (this reminded me that i need to play her again, its been months)

ive been told that a lot of my favs are either fan-hailed as career highlights or songs that should never have been released lol

Spoiler

 

(pretty much all of this album and its outtakes are my favs btw)

 

 

 

(another album where its songs are among my top favs)

 

 

 

[TomTom]

10 hours ago, SmittenCake said:

24K

42k now 

[bearman]

Why are the Twitter Animals going on a crusade against Diplo? Not everyone that is accused is actually guilty and his arguments and answer made sense. I wish that some of the fans were that active streaming her music rather than playing police because if they continue like this she will never work with anyone again. He's one of the few relevant artists that is friends with her and wants to collaborate on things. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by bearman

[TomTom]

1 hour ago, bearman said:

Why are the Twitter Animals going on a crusade against Diplo? Not everyone that is accused is actually guilty and his arguments and answer made sense. I wish that some of the fans were that active streaming her music rather than playing police because if they continue like this she will never work with anyone again. He's one of the few relevant artists that is friends with her and wants to collaborate on things. 

I haven't seen anyone going on a crusade against Diplo and I don't think Animals care about Diplo. Only Alexa Nikolas attacked Kesha for allegedly giving Diplo a platform so she could use this for attention to promote her video, even though Kesha had already pulled out of the event by the time she released the video. But the Twitter stans (rightfully) attacked her and not Diplo (from what I have seen).

[Sam96]

11 hours ago, collin said:

I think she should go a step down from a major and really pursue alternative. But it sounds like she’s making upbeat pop songs right now, so. Not sure. Really curious what it’ll look like.

ooo I can see her being independent 

[TomTom]

She knows 

 

Spoiler

Her KeshaCrave era!

 

Edited November 20, 2023 by TomTom

[TomTom]

3 hours ago, TomTom said:

She knows 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

Her KeshaCrave era!

 

 

 

[SmittenCake]

16 hours ago, TomTom said:

42k now 

Now almost 50K

 

[SmittenCake]

6 hours ago, TomTom said:

She knows 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

Her KeshaCrave era!

 

We need for her to serve more B!MBO TR@$H lewks because those get the most clicks hihi. Nothing tops a kunty face, blond hair, and plumped lips

 

shes giving Sindy meeting Anna Nicole 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TomTom]

10 hours ago, TomTom said:

 

 

 

 

[CroNich]

She stays engaging only with other flops hey 

[bearman]

7 hours ago, CroNich said:

She stays engaging only with other flops hey 

Bebe is much more successful than her these days, I’m afraid. A hit song this year and a Grammy nom. 

[gettsleazy]

On 11/20/2023 at 1:15 PM, bearman said:

Why are the Twitter Animals going on a crusade against Diplo? Not everyone that is accused is actually guilty and his arguments and answer made sense. I wish that some of the fans were that active streaming her music rather than playing police because if they continue like this she will never work with anyone again. He's one of the few relevant artists that is friends with her and wants to collaborate on things. 

I’m quite sick of it. The Twitter animals are snowflakes and seriously sabotaging her left and right with their constant nonsense.

 

I get we feel it’s our divine right to defend her against a predatory system and the agents that uphold it (Luke, Kim, Katy, men in general lol) but at some point we’re gonna have to hang it up and start actually promoting her music outside of this constant victimhood narrative.

[gettsleazy]

On 11/20/2023 at 5:41 AM, collin said:

I think she should go a step down from a major and really pursue alternative. But it sounds like she’s making upbeat pop songs right now, so. Not sure. Really curious what it’ll look like.

Feel like she’d also genuinely sell more records this way and finally notch that Grammy  

 

But excited for the potential of a high brow pop record if it’s executed well.

[gettsleazy]

There’s this one account S/imonIsHott or something that I had to mute because I can’t stand the way he’s always posting like somebody shot her in the face when these people likely don’t even know who she is

[bearman]

1 minute ago, gettsleazy said:

There’s this one account S/imonIsHott or something that I had to mute because I can’t stand the way he’s always posting like somebody shot her in the face when these people likely don’t even know who she is

They truly believe that she has a chance of becoming popular again and that it’s RCA sabotaging her. The truth is, it’s a miracle RCA let her spend that much money on a commercial bomb like Gag Order. No one is sabotaging Kesha. The decline in popularity is caused by High Road and the series of mistakes her team made post Rainbow. 

 

I agree with you, her name is now closely linked with the lawsuit and that she’s only good for a throwback. The absolute silence in her crowd when she performed Gag Order cuts is proof. I expected GO to bring in some alt/indie pop fans but no one came. 

[CroNich]

3 hours ago, bearman said:

They truly believe that she has a chance of becoming popular again and that it’s RCA sabotaging her. The truth is, it’s a miracle RCA let her spend that much money on a commercial bomb like Gag Order. No one is sabotaging Kesha. The decline in popularity is caused by High Road and the series of mistakes her team made post Rainbow. 

 

I agree with you, her name is now closely linked with the lawsuit and that she’s only good for a throwback. The absolute silence in her crowd when she performed Gag Order cuts is proof. I expected GO to bring in some alt/indie pop fans but no one came. 

I mean Dr Luke was actively sabotaging her career for the majority of their legal battle, and even before that lowkey. No it wasn’t technically RCA but her career was heavily sabotaged and RCA are complicit in that. 

 

And I agree, I thought GO would be a sleeper hit and gain a cult following but it literally made 0 noise. Most people have no idea of its existence. I think the lead singles were way too risky to release first and it more or less killed the chance of the album having any sort of success.

 

Now if she had released Too Far Gone and Peace and Quiet instead with that transition, she may have had a chance . I get why she picked those songs though from a thematic point of view, but the I think they were definitely too jarring sonically for the average casual kesha fan and stifled any momentum she may have had. 

[bearman]

13 minutes ago, CroNich said:

I mean Dr Luke was actively sabotaging her career for the majority of their legal battle, and even before that lowkey. No it wasn’t technically RCA but her career was heavily sabotaged and RCA are complicit in that. 

Since 2017, RCA did everything right. People forget how amazingly executed the Rainbow campaign was. Great videos, intensive promo ... it's one of the biggest pop campaigns in the last years. She was everywhere. High Road had amazing promo before Covid. They booked her Rick Rubin for Gag Order and the visuals were amazing. The support is there regardless of how much profit she did. 

 

I really don't think anyone was sabotaging her even Luke because she worked with everyone she wanted to work with. She was nominated for Grammys. The only sabotage was coming from her team, I fear.

 

13 minutes ago, CroNich said:

And I agree, I thought GO would be a sleeper hit and gain a cult following but it literally made 0 noise. Most people have no idea of its existence. I think the lead singles were way too risky to release first and it more or less killed the chance of the album having any sort of success.

It's the kind of album that doesn't need a lead or successful singles. In a perfect world, it would have garnered an audience and she could have build the future of her career from there. Even the critical acclaim was not that exceptional. All of this is a symptom of all the mistakes they made post Rainbow.  

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by bearman

[Vixen Eyes]

1 hour ago, bearman said:

Since 2017, RCA did everything right. People forget how amazingly executed the Rainbow campaign was. Great videos, intensive promo ... it's one of the biggest pop campaigns in the last years. She was everywhere. High Road had amazing promo before Covid. They booked her Rick Rubin for Gag Order and the visuals were amazing. The support is there regardless of how much profit she did. 

 

I really don't think anyone was sabotaging her even Luke because she worked with everyone she wanted to work with. She was nominated for Grammys. The only sabotage was coming from her team, I fear.

 

It's the kind of album that doesn't need a lead or successful singles. In a perfect world, it would have garnered an audience and she could have build the future of her career from there. Even the critical acclaim was not that exceptional. All of this is a symptom of all the mistakes they made post Rainbow.  

 

You keep saying that her team made mistakes but never explained what mistakes they made?

[bearman]

58 minutes ago, Vixen Eyes said:

You keep saying that her team made mistakes but never explained what mistakes they made?

There just was no strategic plan or vision after Rainbow. There was so much goodwill around her after the Grammys and she was starting to be taken seriously but they just had no idea on how to capitalise on this. Someone with that many years of relevancy, hits and impact shouldn't be performing a sole US theatre leg with no possibility of performing internationally because the demand is sadly no there. 

 

I know I sound negative, but it's from a good place because Gag Order is so good and it's sad knowing that only 8 of us cared about it. What I'm trying to say is that the music is not the problem but the fact that they completely destroyed any relevancy she had after Rainbow. 

Edited November 22, 2023 by bearman

[TomTom]

59 minutes ago, bearman said:

Someone with that many years of relevancy, hits and impact shouldn't be performing a sole US theatre leg with no possibility of performing internationally because the demand is sadly no there. 

Well, to be fair, that's purely speculative. Just look at any tour-related social media post and you'll see it's always full of people asking for international dates...I have literally been waiting for her to come to Europe for the past 10 years.

 

Artists much smaller than her are touring internationally, there's no reason to believe there would be no demand for an artist like Kesha and even if it's just a hand full of shows in smaller venues. They just decide not to do it for whatever reason (unless more dates for this tour will be added later on) and that is the actual problem. The Rainbow Tour even had shows in Asia, so her lack of international dates is more of a recent phenomenon.

 

59 minutes ago, bearman said:

What I'm trying to say is that the music is not the problem but the fact that they completely destroyed any relevancy she had after Rainbow. 

I see your point, but, respectfully, High Road as an era didn't even have enough impact to do have done that kind of damage. It's not like this was a Witness kind of situation where the era itself was filled with controversies that did active brand damage. The whole era simply went totally under the radar. Many people who liked Rainbow weren't even aware that High Road existed. Now, one can certainly have the interesting discussion about why that was the case, but I don't think it's fair to entirely place the blame on strategic decisions by her team.

 

The truth is that sustaining post-Rainbow GP relevancy for Kesha is an uphill battle because her drastic musical rebrand combined with her comparably low celebrity status makes it incredibly hard to attract attention for her output when it's not fueled by a larger, overarching narrative like in Rainbow's case. Most people do not go out of their way to check out new Kesha music and she operates from a baseline that is simply lower than most of her peers. This is a problem that won't just go away through better promotional tactics or management choices. Rather, it takes a longtime effort to really turn things around and to a degree that's not even possible if you consider the fact Kesha's firm place inside the digital era is an ever-growing burden as time goes on because she does not have the streaming baseline to succeed in today's age.

 

The point is, there is a variety of underlying issues that can at best be partially attributed, let alone fixed by whatever choices her team makes.

Edited November 22, 2023 by TomTom

[bearman]

1 minute ago, TomTom said:

 It's not like this was a Witness kind of situation where the era itself was filled with controversies that did active brand damage. 

Yeah but honestly it's better to have a memorable flop that is a pop culture moment than releasing something that went completely off the radar. 

 

4 minutes ago, TomTom said:

 

The point is, there is a variety of underlying issues that can at best partially attributed, let alone be fixed by whatever choices her team makes.

I still think that she/her team lacked vision post Rainbow. High Road was proof that they were going in all directions with no focus. The AliExpress Lizzo lead single, the hope that she transforms into a Hot AC artist ... it's like they had no end goal. Imagine if she worked with Rick Rubin after Rainbow and made something different and exciting. 

 

All of this is in the past anyway so I just hope they can course correct but it's too late I fear. The tea I got about why she walked out from her Mighty Hoopla slot was very tragic. Basically that didn't give her a headlining slot and she was on the third row of the festival poster. There is just no demand in Europe. Her last tour here was 11 years ago, there is no excuse other than it's logistically impossible to make profit of this leg. 

 

[TomTom]

4 minutes ago, bearman said:

Yeah but honestly it's better to have a memorable flop that is a pop culture moment than releasing something that went completely off the radar. 

 

Eh...I'd prefer the latter if it's well-received by fans, even if the GP took no notice of it.

 

5 minutes ago, bearman said:

I still think that she/her team lacked vision post Rainbow. High Road was proof that they were going in all directions with no focus. The AliExpress Lizzo lead single, the hope that she transforms into a Hot AC artist ... it's like they had no end goal. Imagine if she worked with Rick Rubin after Rainbow and made something different and exciting. 

Even if true, we still don't know how much of that was her team's fault and how much of it was simply Kesha's wishes. The whole genesis of the era is kind of a blackbox, so it's very hard to tell who wanted what and why.

 

7 minutes ago, bearman said:

There is just no demand in Europe. Her last tour here was 11 years ago, there is no excuse other than it's logistically impossible to make profit of this leg. 

Well, it's certainly not going to come if this is accepted as a self-fulfilling prophecy. I really don't believe for a second that there's no demand for a couple of shows in London, Berlin, Paris, etc. at least.