charts discussion DAY 7: Normani’s “Fair” | One Week Later And It’s OUT Everywhere!

[Shirlene]

This is so sad.

[Mtjjproducer]

it's not a bad song. it just is a terrible spring second single choice. it's a good album track or final winter single at best. add to the fact she didn't release a video it was doomed to flop

[itsmee]

1 hour ago, Superbitch said:

Told yall wild side was getting checked out cuz of cardi and not her 

I-

I said the same thing and wild side was only sustained with radio payola and her fans deny it and told me it was a genuine hit and normani wasn't reliant on no radio payloa

 

now watch them here crying that she isn't getting radio support and that is the only thing that can save the single

 

 

tbh she was never meant to be a superstar, I even said it before motivation would be her highest charting solo song after that it would be going down and down

[professor2000]

35 minutes ago, itsmee said:

I said the same thing and wild side was only sustained with radio payola and her fans deny it and told me it was a genuine hit and normani wasn't reliant on no radio payloa

 

now watch them here crying that she isn't getting radio support and that is the only thing that can save the single

 

 

tbh she was never meant to be a superstar, I even said it before motivation would be her highest charting solo song after that it would be going down and down

None of the girls in 5H were ready, if we’re gonna be honest.  That’s why I looked at them sideways for breaking up (+ for Camila going solo).  They were JUST getting started.
 

They all needed a bit more cultivating and finding themselves artistically.

[Azulito]

16 minutes ago, professor2000 said:

None of the girls in 5H were ready, if we’re gonna be honest.  That’s why I looked at them sideways for breaking up (+ for Camila going solo).  They were JUST getting started.
 

They all needed a bit more cultivating and finding themselves artistically.

A lot of artists aren't fully ready when they debut tbh. If she had released albums in 2018 and 2019, she at least would've been able to see what the GP wants and doesn't want from her. Instead she's spent four years trying to perfect her debut album that the GP might not even like. What is she gonna do then?

 

She's had so many chances to really blow up... it's absolutely crazy to see where her career is right now

[hungrymuffin]

she is only hyped on social media but the GP dont care about her

 

just quit her music career and it would save her more money

[professor2000]

32 minutes ago, Marvin said:

A lot of artists aren't fully ready when they debut tbh. If she had released albums in 2018 and 2019, she at least would've been able to see what the GP wants and doesn't want from her. Instead she's spent four years trying to perfect her debut album that the GP might not even like. What is she gonna do then?

 

She's had so many chances to really blow up... it's absolutely crazy to see where her career is right now

True! And I agree with this.  I always said she should’ve dropped a series of EPs or mixtapes. 
 

But something in my gut told me those girls needed one more album together.  Tbh, none of their hits besides “WFH” are that memorable.  
 

They all could’ve done a handful of solo features/ventures, returned to the group for one more album (all 5) AND THEN went solo permanently.  Beyonce/DC is such a great example of this. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by professor2000

[favorite crime]

58 minutes ago, professor2000 said:

None of the girls in 5H were ready, if we’re gonna be honest.  That’s why I looked at them sideways for breaking up (+ for Camila going solo).  They were JUST getting started.
 

They all needed a bit more cultivating and finding themselves artistically.

Um they are pop stars not Beethoven. Most big pop stars don't have an artistic vision. Justin Bieber, Rihanna before ANTi, Ariana before Sweetener, Selena, Jason Derulo etc... They just make some bops, have decent co-writers & producers, have a solid team and constantly release music. They don't need to "find themselves" to serve the music that they serve and neither does Normani. She should have just released her Max Martin pop album in '19 and with the hype & promo she had it would have been a cute success. Then an R&B album in 2020 or 2021 and perhaps it would have been a smash, perhaps not but some tracks surely would have done cutely like Wild Side did. Then she'd be on album number 3 this year with a solid base and a catalogue to build upon

 

Camila also was in the same situation as Normani but she's built a solid career for herself and even if "Bam Bam" is her last hit, she's had a cute career

[crymelanie]

7 hours ago, abrahamjmr said:

Camilizers running while breaking their hips here because they lost against Dua.

 The daily reminder that you should worry about your fave's vegas residency isn't it quite tragic my fave can't relate also reported for ot

Ot:Tragic numbers for her where is the success stans that running into Camila threads?

[professor2000]

1 hour ago, favorite crime said:

Um they are pop stars not Beethoven. Most big pop stars don't have an artistic vision. Justin Bieber, Rihanna before ANTi, Ariana before Sweetener, Selena, Jason Derulo etc... They just make some bops, have decent co-writers & producers, have a solid team and constantly release music. They don't need to "find themselves" to serve the music that they serve and neither does Normani. She should have just released her Max Martin pop album in '19 and with the hype & promo she had it would have been a cute success. Then an R&B album in 2020 or 2021 and perhaps it would have been a smash, perhaps not but some tracks surely would have done cutely like Wild Side did. Then she'd be on album number 3 this year with a solid base and a catalogue to build upon

 

Camila also was in the same situation as Normani but she's built a solid career for herself and even if "Bam Bam" is her last hit, she's had a cute career

Yeah, see…that’s an issue, at least in Normani’s situation.  Surely Normani is not first artist producers think of when creating tracks.  So she gets bland leftovers.  And her label doesn’t know what sound she should go for…neither does she…therefore it all just ends up sounding uninspired.

 

I mean, BOTH Normani and Camila rely HEAVILY on other artists/features to keep them afloat.  That’s a sign that they don’t know who they are artistically (or don’t have enough pull to do it on their own).  They both could’ve tested what resonated before making the leap to going solo.   Huge mistake IMO.  
 

Not saying Normani needs to release her magnum opus as her debut.  Just saying…she should AT LEAST have an instantly recognizable (and unique) sound.  Camila has a slight leg up given the Latin influence, but it’s still kind of hit or miss.  
 

 

[Ms. Togekiss]

is it true that she showed her hole on tik Tok? bc if she did and this still flopped this is beyond embarrassing 

[Ice Cream Skies]

At this point are the Normani stans even streaming? OUT the 2nd day???

[mxoonlight]

9 hours ago, abrahamjmr said:

Camilizers running while breaking their hips here because they lost against Dua.

Scrambling to take any victory they can

[mxoonlight]

2 hours ago, professor2000 said:

True! And I agree with this.  I always said she should’ve dropped a series of EPs or mixtapes. 
 

But something in my gut told me those girls needed one more album together.  Tbh, none of their hits besides “WFH” are that memorable.  
 

They all could’ve done a handful of solo features/ventures, returned to the group for one more album (all 5) AND THEN went solo permanently.  Beyonce/DC is such a great example of this. 

They were never going to grow as a group tbh. DC had chemistry and on top of that, priority. Even with Camila there, 5H was never a priority as far as getting quality songs that would've been hits. WFH was legit a lucky break. 

[Broken]

1 hour ago, Ms. Togekiss said:

is it true that she showed her hole on tik Tok? bc if she did and this still flopped this is beyond embarrassing 

 

[Superbitch]

5 hours ago, itsmee said:

I said the same thing and wild side was only sustained with radio payola and her fans deny it and told me it was a genuine hit and normani wasn't reliant on no radio payloa

 

now watch them here crying that she isn't getting radio support and that is the only thing that can save the single

 

 

tbh she was never meant to be a superstar, I even said it before motivation would be her highest charting solo song after that it would be going down and down

The funniest thing to me is that her Stans always called other songs flops(that were radio fueled hits) then suddenly this song is a radio thing only and bam call it a smash  and that was obviously cardi her power… her power didn’t work for the lizzo won’t cuz that song is literally horrible. 
 

7 hours ago, Exzime. said:

Tragic. Normansters swore that it was her power that helped Wild Side.

 

They said the same about dancing with a stranger lol 

 

27 minutes ago, mxoonlight said:

Scrambling to take any victory they can

Not Normani stans hiding behind dua to shade. Camila I’ve noticed this  …

 

OT:

 

152- OUT!!!!

 

 

[Superbitch]

On 3/19/2022 at 2:28 PM, Tcharm said:

At least she's still confident

 

 

 

Zmsnnsndndndj noooo one of those is like the others 

[professor2000]

1 hour ago, mxoonlight said:

They were never going to grow as a group tbh. DC had chemistry and on top of that, priority. Even with Camila there, 5H was never a priority as far as getting quality songs that would've been hits. WFH was legit a lucky break. 

Can’t say I disagree, unfortunately.  
 

But they damn sure had a better chance together than solo.   
 

Although they had their TV show for exposure, I kind of liken them to Danity Kane - not a ton of chemistry, in-fighting in the group, no label support, moderate hits, etc.  

 

But I’ll give it to them…they at least banned together to fight for the producers/writers they wanted on their sophomore album (WTTDH).  5H could’ve done the same.  Idk. I guess 5H was fucked either way.  

[Ms. Togekiss]

58 minutes ago, Broken said:

 

nooooooo

[Azulito]

4 hours ago, professor2000 said:

True! And I agree with this.  I always said she should’ve dropped a series of EPs or mixtapes. 
 

But something in my gut told me those girls needed one more album together.  Tbh, none of their hits besides “WFH” are that memorable.  
 

They all could’ve done a handful of solo features/ventures, returned to the group for one more album (all 5) AND THEN went solo permanently.  Beyonce/DC is such a great example of this. 

I mean despite 5H never being that big, Normani definitely had a LOT of hype. She really didn’t need the group once they broke up tbh. She’s just ruined every single opportunity that’s she gotten in the past 4 years. 

 

3 hours ago, professor2000 said:

Yeah, see…that’s an issue, at least in Normani’s situation.  Surely Normani is not first artist producers think of when creating tracks.  So she gets bland leftovers.  And her label doesn’t know what sound she should go for…neither does she…therefore it all just ends up sounding uninspired.

 

I mean, BOTH Normani and Camila rely HEAVILY on other artists/features to keep them afloat.  That’s a sign that they don’t know who they are artistically (or don’t have enough pull to do it on their own).  They both could’ve tested what resonated before making the leap to going solo.   Huge mistake IMO.  
 

Not saying Normani needs to release her magnum opus as her debut.  Just saying…she should AT LEAST have an instantly recognizable (and unique) sound.  Camila has a slight leg up given the Latin influence, but it’s still kind of hit or miss.  

She should’ve tried for the urban/pop crossover lane, that’s basically what Love Lies and Dancing With a Stranger are. There was no one in that space. Now she’s trying to be like all the other R&B girls and it just doesn’t work because her lyricism isn’t as good and her private life is too private.

 

She definitely had access to the best producers though. 

 

 

I mean… she was working with Beyoncé’s and Ariana’s frequent collaborators, had a Big Freedia collad, Nicki hyping her up, etc. And this was before Sam Smith released their song together. I just REFUSE to believe she didn’t have 10-12 decent tracks ready for an album in late 2018/early 2019. It would almost be impossible tbh. No one was expecting a masterpiece from Normani, just some cute bops. 

[Mstreep]

3 hours ago, professor2000 said:

Yeah, see…that’s an issue, at least in Normani’s situation.  Surely Normani is not first artist producers think of when creating tracks.  So she gets bland leftovers.  And her label doesn’t know what sound she should go for…neither does she…therefore it all just ends up sounding uninspired.

 

I mean, BOTH Normani and Camila rely HEAVILY on other artists/features to keep them afloat.  That’s a sign that they don’t know who they are artistically (or don’t have enough pull to do it on their own).  They both could’ve tested what resonated before making the leap to going solo.   Huge mistake IMO.  
 

Not saying Normani needs to release her magnum opus as her debut.  Just saying…she should AT LEAST have an instantly recognizable (and unique) sound.  Camila has a slight leg up given the Latin influence, but it’s still kind of hit or miss.  
 

 

to say that Camila doesn’t know her sound is completely a REACH. Ask anyone about her ..they know she is a Latin pop girl 
Even before Camila left 5h she had 2 hits with one of them being bad things was huge around the world and USA.  And she was known for her unique tone. So by the time bad things went top 5 on the hot 100 it’s was definitely time for her to go solo. And literally that same year she released Havana and it skyrocketed.

 

Camila first album went number 1 and nominated for a Grammy …she won 2 Latin Grammy …never be the same was a huge hit …Havana was a huge hit and this is all in her first era. Everyone knows Camila sound …her voice and music is very distinct. She might try different things but she’s always gonna give you a Latin pop Bop. Normani after 4-5 years being solo had yet found a sound or release even an EP. Camila is literally about to release her 3rd album 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Mstreep

[professor2000]

11 minutes ago, Mstreep said:

to say that Camila doesn’t know her sound is completely a REACH. Ask anyone about her ..they know she is a Latin pop girl 
Even before Camila left 5h she had 2 hits with one of them being bad things was huge around the world and USA.  And she was known for her unique tone. So by the time bad things went top 5 on the hot 100 it’s was definitely time for her to go solo. And literally that same year she released Havana and it skyrocketed.

 

Camila first album went number 1 and nominated for a Grammy …she won 2 Latin Grammy …never be the same was a huge hit …Havana was a huge hit and this is all in her first era. Everyone knows Camila sound …her voice and music is very distinct. She might try different things but she’s always gonna give you a Latin pop Bop. Normani after 4-5 years being solo had yet found a sound or release even an EP. Camila is literally about to release her 3rd album 

Did you not read my earlier post? I said her sound was Latin pop, but that it’s hit or miss.  She ain’t quite found a formula that consistently works.  
 

And I also said that Camila has a leg up on Normani, but it’s nowhere she could’ve been IMO.  But if y’all happy with where she’s at, great!  Just felt like all of them could’ve benefited from staying put in the group a bit longer.  That’s it.  That’s all.  

[4Real]

Welp if Wild Side that was a "hit" has taken ages to reach 100m streams on spotify i wonder if this will ever reach 10m 

[Mr. Specialist]

This song simply wasn’t a good single choice. I can’t even say it’s a good song considering the fact that I still can’t get passed the auto tune on the 1st chorus. 

Edited March 21, 2022 by Mr. Specialist

[Mstreep]

21 minutes ago, professor2000 said:

Did you not read my earlier post? I said her sound was Latin pop, but that it’s hit or miss.  She ain’t quite found a formula that consistently works.  
 

And I also said that Camila has a leg up on Normani, but it’s nowhere she could’ve been IMO.  But if y’all happy with where she’s at, great!  Just felt like all of them could’ve benefited from staying put in the group a bit longer.  That’s it.  That’s all.  

I think it would have been a HUGE mistake for her to have stayed. She had a top 5 hit and radio was loving her. She would have missed her window ..her staying would have benefited the other girls not her. If it took her years to come up with Havana then I would have agreed with you but she new exactly what sound she should make.