charts discussion Drake is the King of the Billboard 200, why?

[BloodLuster]

On 2/14/2022 at 1:25 PM, Avariko said:

Who said Drake is over? Did I miss something?

some ppl pretend he's over because they didn't like CLB 

[onewillowsilk]

1 hour ago, BloodLuster said:

some ppl pretend he's over because they didn't like CLB 

This is exactly it! Some people even said CLB flopped simply because they didn't like it. 

[UnusualBoy]

He is basically the biggest streaming artists, I may not be fond of all of his music but I understand his appeal and why he's so massive.

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

22 hours ago, Quiqui4eva said:

The fumes in here  where are these anti-streaming sentiments coming from

These anti-streaming sentiments have been around for years, even in 2022 they’re still at it. 
 

At least more than half of the BB200 sold less than 1000 copies (pure sales) last week and certain users are still using the aforementioned as an important point of reference so…

 

[britxbrit]

The anti-streaming sentiment in this thread is so funny. Without streams, most of your favorite pop girlies would be flopping. Remember your place.

[getinthezone]

streaming increased longevity

[Bey_Rihstan]

This terrible logic in here. Free streams! 

 

Um... Take Care has never left the BB200 and it was released 4 years prior to the streaming era  

[Yuanyu]

32 minutes ago, Bey_Rihstan said:

This terrible logic in here. Free streams! 

 

Um... Take Care has never left the BB200 and it was released 4 years prior to the streaming era  

Take Care was released in nov 2011, 3 years before streaming, and 535 weeks ago. And it has charted 467 then the album has been out for 68 weels (1.3 years)

Denying that Drake's success comes from streaming is absurd, it is true that he was already successful before, but nothing compared to what he has been once streaming was included.

[onewillowsilk]

On 2/16/2022 at 1:14 PM, Yuanyu said:

Take Care was released in nov 2011, 3 years before streaming, and 535 weeks ago. And it has charted 467 then the album has been out for 68 weels (1.3 years)

Denying that Drake's success comes from streaming is absurd, it is true that he was already successful before, but nothing compared to what he has been once streaming was included.

You can't say two things at once. You can't say his success comes from streaming and then say he was successful before, so which one is it? 

 

The problem I have with some of you when it comes to discussing Drake's career is that he wasn't a pop girlie and so many of you had no idea who he was before the Hotline Blings and the One Dances (which says more about you than it does about him, but that's for another day), and so many of you love to act like he was some nobody who suddenly blew up out of nowhere only when streaming became a thing. 

 

Drake released his debut album in July 2010 and by the end of 2014, he had 13 Hot 100 top 10 hits to his name. His first song as a mainstream act peaked at #2 on the Hot 100 and it was off a free mixtape he released before he ever signed a major record label deal. His debut album did 447K in it's first week. Take Care (his sophomore album, 2011) debuted with 631K and his third album, Nothing Was the Same (2013), debuted with 658K. All 3 albums leaked online over a week before their official release and still did those numbers and they were all released well before the streaming era and they all scored multiple hits. Some pop girlies have never debuted with so much as 300K units with any albums, even at the peak of the popularity and success. 

 

Has he gotten bigger since the streaming era? Yes, but that's also a testament to him being able to seamlessly transition from the digital era (when he debuted) to the streaming era. Very few acts have managed to do so. Drake was one of the most pirated artists before streaming and hip-hop/rap was the most pirated genre. Why most rappers can so easily outstream pop stars is because all the people who used to illegally consume rap music are now subscribed to one streaming service or the other and their consumption now counts. That should be the narrative, not this untrue narrative that he only blew up when we got into the streaming era. 

 

Drake was selling out arenas since his tour for Take Care in 2012. He's always been a superstar, especially in rap music. Many of you just didn't notice till he started scoring pop hits. 

[Yuanyu]

26 minutes ago, onewillowsilk said:

You can't say two things at once. You can't say his success comes from streaming and then say he was successful before, so which one is it? 

 

The problem I have with some of you when it comes to discussing Drake's career is that he wasn't a pop girlie and so many of you had no idea who he was before the Hotline Blings and the One Dances (which says more about you than it does about him, but that's for another day), and so many of you love to act like he was some nobody who suddenly blew up out of nowhere only when streaming became a thing. 

 

Drake released his debut album in July 2010 and by the end of 2014, he had 13 Hot 100 top 10 hits to his name. His first song as a mainstream act peaked at #2 on the Hot 100 and it was off a free mixtape he released before he ever signed a major record label deal. His debut album did 447K in it's first week. Take Care (his sophomore album, 2011) debuted with 631K and his third album, Nothing Was the Same (2013), debuted with 658K. All 3 albums leaked online over a week before their official release and still did those numbers and they were all released well before the streaming era and they all scored multiple hits. Some pop girlies have never debuted with so much as 300K units with any albums, even at the peak of the popularity and success. 

 

Has he gotten bigger since the streaming era? Yes, but that's also a testament to him being able to seamlessly transition from the digital era (when he debuted) to the streaming era. Very few acts have managed to do so. Drake was one of the most pirated artists before streaming and hip-hop/rap was the most pirated genre. Why most rappers can so easily outstream pop stars is because all the people who used to illegally consume rap music are now subscribed to one streaming service or the other and their consumption now counts. That should be the narrative, not this untrue narrative that he only blew up when we got into the streaming era. 

 

Drake was selling out arenas since his tour for Take Care in 2012. He's always been a superstar, especially in rap music. Many of you just didn't notice till he started scoring pop hits. 

Don't try to twist my words, I know exactly what I said .He was successful before the streaming era, but he never managed to have a top 5 selling album of the year, something that changed with streaming, especially with Views era.

 

But I love how you jump to correct me but have shut up about the erroneous comment about Take Care that I was replying to.

 

And I'm sorry to tell you that I'm not a pop girl follower, in fact what I follow is hip hop so don't try to educate me on what I'm very educated on.

[onewillowsilk]

4 hours ago, Yuanyu said:

Don't try to twist my words, I know exactly what I said .He was successful before the streaming era, but he never managed to have a top 5 selling album of the year, something that changed with streaming, especially with Views era.

 

But I love how you jump to correct me but have shut up about the erroneous comment about Take Care that I was replying to.

 

And I'm sorry to tell you that I'm not a pop girl follower, in fact what I follow is hip hop so don't try to educate me on what I'm very educated on.

How does him not having a top 5 selling album of the year pre-streaming change anything? Why does that matter? You're going out of your way to undermine his success pre-streaming and your big point is that he didn't have a top 5 best-selling album of the year before that. How ridiculous. 

 

Thank Me Later was the 8th best-selling album of 2010. Take Care was the 7th best-selling album of 2011 and Nothing Was the Same was the 7th best-selling album of 2013.

 

Take a look for yourself and see all the big-name acts he was outselling even back then:

 

If you followed hip-hop as much as you claim you do then you'd know better than to try to act like Drake only saw real success in the streaming era when he's been by far the biggest hip-hop artist and one of the biggest artists of his generation period, since 2009. 

[Yuanyu]

1 hour ago, onewillowsilk said:

How does him not having a top 5 selling album of the year pre-streaming change anything? Why does that matter? You're going out of your way to undermine his success pre-streaming and your big point is that he didn't have a top 5 best-selling album of the year before that. How ridiculous. 

 

Thank Me Later was the 8th best-selling album of 2010. Take Care was the 7th best-selling album of 2011 and Nothing Was the Same was the 7th best-selling album of 2013.

 

Take a look for yourself and see all the big-name acts he was outselling even back then:

 

If you followed hip-hop as much as you claim you do then you'd know better than to try to act like Drake only saw real success in the streaming era when he's been by far the biggest hip-hop artist and one of the biggest artists of his generation period, since 2009. 

Here we are talking about billboard success, Drake is successful on billboard 200 because of streams, not sales and this is what I was saying to someone who claimed that take care never has left billboard 200 (something that you know is FALSE but you have not corrected).

He's the most successful artists on BB 200 since the Beatles but if we check Nielsen 10' report we can see that it's no thanks to his album or singles pure sales.

[onewillowsilk]

6 hours ago, Yuanyu said:

Here we are talking about billboard success, Drake is successful on billboard 200 because of streams, not sales and this is what I was saying to someone who claimed that take care never has left billboard 200 (something that you know is FALSE but you have not corrected).

He's the most successful artists on BB 200 since the Beatles but if we check Nielsen 10' report we can see that it's no thanks to his album or singles pure sales.

Didn't you already correct that person? Why do I also need to correct them when you have already and why're you so pressed that I didn't? I'm talking to YOU, not them. 

 

Are you really comparing his pure sale numbers to that of THE BEATLES? Seriously? The Beatles dominated in an era when pure sales were all there was. No one will ever touch their pure sales numbers, even the best-selling acts in pure sales in this century. They've also been charting dozens of albums for over 50 years. Drake's career isn't even 15 years old yet.

 

I don't know why you're so upset about me breaking down Drake's Billboard 200 success in this thread but I see it now that you have no real point to make. I didn't even say he was the most successful artist on the Billboard 200 since the Beatles. I said he was the ''SECOND longest-charting act'' in Billboard 200 history, which is a fact. His albums that were released before streaming all charted for YEARS before streaming became a thing so you trying to use streaming as the sole reason for his success is both silly and inaccurate. 

 

First you say he was only successful because of streaming and when I break down all his stats and achievements pre-streaming, you ignore them and say I'm putting words in your mouth. Then you double down by saying he never had a top 5 best-selling album before streaming like that is some major pointer to anything and I point out that he had his first 3 albums (which were all released before streaming) end up as at least the top 8 most consumed albums in their respective years of release and you ignore that as well. Drake was the Billboard Hot 100 AND Billboard 200 Artist of the Decade. Both of those honors are measured by chart points (not raw sales/streams), which are predicated on the longevity of albums on the Billboard 200. He's also the #2 Billboard 200 artist of the CENTURY (only behind Taylor Swift). 

 

Any artist who debuted when released their debut album when Drake released his (2010) and forward, will obviously have more pure sales than streaming because they would have lasted no more than 4 years at most before the streaming era began (an era we've been in since late 2014 which amounts to over 7 years now). Pure sales are dead and gone. Why you're fixated on that as some sort of bar of success in 2022 is beyond me but do you. 

[My Tears Ricochet]

On 2/15/2022 at 5:18 AM, St. Francis said:

Quick lil' singles

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[TaylenaStan]

So when all is said and done the top 3 is gonna be 
The Beatles - english rock band
Drake - hip hop artist
Taylor - female pop/country artist 
the diversity